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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -5
According to my records, Japan stopped figures around 2004 (from Character Product and Mogura House).
Mexico had those Fotorama AAA and Hag CMLL sets in 2007, otherwise seemed to stop around 1994.
Why did Japan and Mexico go unrepresented for such a long time?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 9:11:04 GMT -5
Basically it boils down to when wrestling isn't popular in areas of the world where wrestling figures aren't as ingrained into the toy section as Star Wars and GI Joe, companies aren't going to make wrestling figures.
- Japanese pro wrestling's popularity tanked in the mid 2000s (right around the time Charapro ended) and it wasn't really until the mid 2010s when the popularity came back up
- Lucha libre's popularity sank later into the 90s and didn't recover until the mid 2000s when Mistico and Perro Jr. got hot and then it cooled off again in 2009 or so.
Also as a side note: Charapro and Mogura House are the same company, just different labels.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jun 21, 2020 10:28:42 GMT -5
Toy culture too. Japan is more anime, manga, robot type toys. While wrestling is popular, the toys are not.
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Post by Grenouille on Jun 21, 2020 17:04:40 GMT -5
Japanese pro wrestling's popularity tanked in the mid 2000s (right around the time Charapro ended) and it wasn't really until the mid 2010s when the popularity came back up I don't know if tanked is strong enough a description. Inoki-Ism almost killed NJPW. Who can forget the reigns of Yasuda, Fujita (x3), Bob Sapp, and only there to cash checks Brock Lesnar?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 17:19:56 GMT -5
Japanese pro wrestling's popularity tanked in the mid 2000s (right around the time Charapro ended) and it wasn't really until the mid 2010s when the popularity came back up I don't know if tanked is strong enough a description. Inoki-Ism almost killed NJPW. Who can forget the reigns of Yasuda, Fujita (x3), Bob Sapp, and only there to cash checks Brock Lesnar? I actually did a podcast appearance recently talking about Inokiism (I hate that term btw, Inokiism literally existed from the start of New Japan) and if you do some research with what's come out in the last few years from people who are well versed in the history, things aren't as bad as the Redditors make it sound. Was it a good period financially? Not nearly as good as the 90s or now, but their business was significantly worse from 2006-2011 than it was from 2000-2004. Lesnar being signed and pushed came after Inoki had any real power left in New Japan, so you can't really pin that one on him plus they did screw Brock over on his payouts. Fujita did well at the gate as champion in the first reign. Second one wasn't really even that long, third one really didn't have any sort of impact because it fed into the Brock run. Yasuda's reign had a purpose, to help rebuild and establish Nagata as the top guy. All Japan started to slide in popularty in the mid 2000s, NOAH did too (legit, their business went from having a ton of potential after Destiny in 2005 to being a shadow by 2008). It's so wild seeing how the scene recovered. Bushiroad getting New Japan from Yuke's and pumping a ton of advertising money into the company and having a lot of talent to build off of was the best thing for the entire scene. Don't even wanna think about what it'd be like over there right now if New Japan had crashed in 2008-2009 like a lot of us thought they were gonna. |
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Post by Grenouille on Jun 21, 2020 17:59:43 GMT -5
I don't know if tanked is strong enough a description. Inoki-Ism almost killed NJPW. Who can forget the reigns of Yasuda, Fujita (x3), Bob Sapp, and only there to cash checks Brock Lesnar? I actually did a podcast appearance recently talking about Inokiism (I hate that term btw, Inokiism literally existed from the start of New Japan) and if you do some research with what's come out in the last few years from people who are well versed in the history, things aren't as bad as the Redditors make it sound. Was it a good period financially? Not nearly as good as the 90s or now, but their business was significantly worse from 2006-2011 than it was from 2000-2004. Lesnar being signed and pushed came after Inoki had any real power left in New Japan, so you can't really pin that one on him plus they did screw Brock over on his payouts. Fujita did well at the gate as champion in the first reign. Second one wasn't really even that long, third one really didn't have any sort of impact because it fed into the Brock run. Yasuda's reign had a purpose, to help rebuild and establish Nagata as the top guy. All Japan started to slide in popularty in the mid 2000s, NOAH did too (legit, their business went from having a ton of potential after Destiny in 2005 to being a shadow by 2008). It's so wild seeing how the scene recovered. Bushiroad getting New Japan from Yuke's and pumping a ton of advertising money into the company and having a lot of talent to build off of was the best thing for the entire scene. Don't even wanna think about what it'd be like over there right now if New Japan had crashed in 2008-2009 like a lot of us thought they were gonna. As bad as some make it out to be I actually have a soft spot for quite a bit of '00-'04 New Japan (Just never ask me to re-watch the invasion of the Makai Club again, there are some standards). That's when I really became a fan of the company after being AJPW only for a few years. With Fujita, I'll admit to personal bias. I wasn't a fan of his as an under card guy, and didn't see the appeal in '01 after he had a few MMA wins. Yasuda is another under card guy I couldn't get behind. I remember the vitriol online after Yasuda won the tournament final over Nagata for the IWGP title. I didn't like, but I understood it. Yasuda beat Jerome Le Banner and Nagata predictably got done in by Cro Cop. Yes, Nagata got the belt shortly after, but it took the long reign breaking the defense record to rehab him. It's amazing the recovery the business has had overall in Japan. The fact Bushiroad only spent $6.5 million remains a ridiculous steal. As I was a huge Misawa mark in my early puroresu days I wonder where in the landscape he'd be if he were alive today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 18:11:51 GMT -5
I actually did a podcast appearance recently talking about Inokiism (I hate that term btw, Inokiism literally existed from the start of New Japan) and if you do some research with what's come out in the last few years from people who are well versed in the history, things aren't as bad as the Redditors make it sound. Was it a good period financially? Not nearly as good as the 90s or now, but their business was significantly worse from 2006-2011 than it was from 2000-2004. Lesnar being signed and pushed came after Inoki had any real power left in New Japan, so you can't really pin that one on him plus they did screw Brock over on his payouts. Fujita did well at the gate as champion in the first reign. Second one wasn't really even that long, third one really didn't have any sort of impact because it fed into the Brock run. Yasuda's reign had a purpose, to help rebuild and establish Nagata as the top guy. All Japan started to slide in popularty in the mid 2000s, NOAH did too (legit, their business went from having a ton of potential after Destiny in 2005 to being a shadow by 2008). It's so wild seeing how the scene recovered. Bushiroad getting New Japan from Yuke's and pumping a ton of advertising money into the company and having a lot of talent to build off of was the best thing for the entire scene. Don't even wanna think about what it'd be like over there right now if New Japan had crashed in 2008-2009 like a lot of us thought they were gonna. As bad as some make it out to be I actually have a soft spot for quite a bit of '00-'04 New Japan (Just never ask me to re-watch the invasion of the Makai Club again, there are some standards). That's when I really became a fan of the company after being AJPW only for a few years. With Fujita, I'll admit to personal bias. I wasn't a fan of his as an under card guy, and didn't see the appeal in '01 after he had a few MMA wins. Yasuda is another under card guy I couldn't get behind. I remember the vitriol online after Yasuda won the tournament final over Nagata for the IWGP title. I didn't like, but I understood it. Yasuda beat Jerome Le Banner and Nagata predictably got done in by Cro Cop. Yes, Nagata got the belt shortly after, but it took the long reign breaking the defense record to rehab him. It's amazing the recovery the business has had overall in Japan. The fact Bushiroad only spent $6.5 million remains a ridiculous steal. As I was a huge Misawa mark in my early puroresu days I wonder where in the landscape he'd be if he were alive today. I remember reading rumors from some Japanese blogs at the time Bushiroad got New Japan from Yukes that they may have gotten it on credit based on loans they'd made to Yukes and if that's true...imagine just getting that thrown into your lap and you turn it into a massively profitable company in the first 5 years of ownership. It's crazy! |
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