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Post by rowdy1971 on Jul 20, 2020 13:06:11 GMT -5
100% agree with Bruce. There is no way that Vince told JR to mention all that "real" stuff about Diesel. That's one of the reasons I don't get all the Jim Ross love. He's a horrible commentator and from the AEW stuff I have heard, he has not gotten any better and that he is just happy to get a paycheck. And after listening to his podcast, JR is a bitter old man who isn't as great as he tells everyone he is, ANYWAY It took everything away from the "monster" to hear him called Kevin, one of the wussiest names out there. All the mystique was taken away and Diesel was humanized.
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Post by rateddal on Jul 20, 2020 17:39:36 GMT -5
I always thought early 90s WCW was dragged down by JR. Hated listening to him call matches even though some of the stories and wrestlers I found entertaining. When he showed up at Mania 9 I was not happy. Eventually he grew on me but I was never a huge fan of him.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 20, 2020 18:38:46 GMT -5
I think JR was best in WWE because he captured the moment great. Like JR’s best commentary was just keeping a level head to Lawlers shenanigans, and when he’d yell BAW GAWD! when something crazy would happen. He added drama which was good, but I think his commentary partner was a big help
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Post by K5 on Jul 22, 2020 8:36:27 GMT -5
100% agree with Bruce. There is no way that Vince told JR to mention all that "real" stuff about Diesel. That's one of the reasons I don't get all the Jim Ross love. He's a horrible commentator and from the AEW stuff I have heard, he has not gotten any better and that he is just happy to get a paycheck. And after listening to his podcast, JR is a bitter old man who isn't as great as he tells everyone he is, ANYWAY It took everything away from the "monster" to hear him called Kevin, one of the wussiest names out there. All the mystique was taken away and Diesel was humanized. must be why as Kevin Nash, he made no impact on WCW... oh wait. he made a bigger impact on the industry and is more well known by Kevin Nash than Diesel. so much for the mystique being ruined.. |
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Post by rowdy1971 on Jul 22, 2020 9:15:21 GMT -5
100% agree with Bruce. There is no way that Vince told JR to mention all that "real" stuff about Diesel. That's one of the reasons I don't get all the Jim Ross love. He's a horrible commentator and from the AEW stuff I have heard, he has not gotten any better and that he is just happy to get a paycheck. And after listening to his podcast, JR is a bitter old man who isn't as great as he tells everyone he is, ANYWAY It took everything away from the "monster" to hear him called Kevin, one of the wussiest names out there. All the mystique was taken away and Diesel was humanized. must be why as Kevin Nash, he made no impact on WCW... oh wait. he made a bigger impact on the industry and is more well known by Kevin Nash than Diesel. so much for the mystique being ruined.. LOL. Nash was nothing until he became Diesel, if he was never Diesel he would never have been anything in WCW. If Kevin Nash showed up in WCW without making his name with the WWF, there would be no impact on the business. You really made no sense with your statement. |
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Post by K5 on Jul 22, 2020 11:51:10 GMT -5
must be why as Kevin Nash, he made no impact on WCW... oh wait. he made a bigger impact on the industry and is more well known by Kevin Nash than Diesel. so much for the mystique being ruined.. LOL. Nash was nothing until he became Diesel, if he was never Diesel he would never have been anything in WCW. If Kevin Nash showed up in WCW without making his name with the WWF, there would be no impact on the business. You really made no sense with your statement. that's like saying stone cold was nothing until he was stunning Steve Austin. it doesn't matter, more people remember Stone Cold over Stunning just like more people remember Kevin Nash over Diesel, he made a larger impact with the nWo than anything else. anything else is semantics. which would completely destroy Bruce's point - Nash made more money with his real name than his wwf gimmick. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 22, 2020 12:26:34 GMT -5
I liked that they humanized him to an extent. I liked him showing a more cool laid back demeanor, but I could live without hearing where he went to college and what sports he used to play.
IMO the problem with Diesel's run was the lack of big heel contenders. Mable was awful, but they tried. Sid was... Sid. Besides those two, Nash was so big and so dominant, it was hard to book him as a typically WWE baby face. Sure Hogan was big, but he had guys like Bundy, Andre, & Bossman to feud with. Diesel was throwing around HBK like a rag doll.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 29, 2020 14:36:48 GMT -5
I liked that they humanized him to an extent. I liked him showing a more cool laid back demeanor, but I could live without hearing where he went to college and what sports he used to play. IMO the problem with Diesel's run was the lack of big heel contenders. Mable was awful, but they tried. Sid was... Sid. Besides those two, Nash was so big and so dominant, it was hard to book him as a typically WWE baby face. Sure Hogan was big, but he had guys like Bundy, Andre, & Bossman to feud with. Diesel was throwing around HBK like a rag doll. Bingo. they had one but they dropped the ball with him. Bam Bam. 1995 roster way too heavy on babyfaces Also Vince loved Nash...he was gonna beat UT @wm12 until he announced he was leaving. |
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Post by The Brain on Jul 29, 2020 14:42:46 GMT -5
Heel Bam Bam vs Diesel for the belt at SSlam...What could've been.
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Post by jking1979 on Jul 29, 2020 15:23:49 GMT -5
Kevin Nash is a great entertainer. I think he had something special with the NWO Wolfpac. It should have stopped there.
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Post by themonsteramongus on Jul 29, 2020 15:26:54 GMT -5
Nash in WCW was bigger than he ever was in the WWF.
Totally agree about his WWF Championship Run. He was dead in the water heel wise. There was nobody for him to draw with.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 29, 2020 15:48:36 GMT -5
I liked that they humanized him to an extent. I liked him showing a more cool laid back demeanor, but I could live without hearing where he went to college and what sports he used to play. IMO the problem with Diesel's run was the lack of big heel contenders. Mable was awful, but they tried. Sid was... Sid. Besides those two, Nash was so big and so dominant, it was hard to book him as a typically WWE baby face. Sure Hogan was big, but he had guys like Bundy, Andre, & Bossman to feud with. Diesel was throwing around HBK like a rag doll. Bingo. they had one but they dropped the ball with him. Bam Bam. 1995 roster way too heavy on babyfacesAlso Vince loved Nash...he was gonna beat UT @wm12 until he announced he was leaving. Agreed, too many of the top stars were babyfaces during this time. Probably because of the thinned out roster, they wanted to spread out the stars but this didn't give us a lot of great feuds. Heel Bam Bam vs Diesel for the belt at SSlam...What could've been. That definitely would have been much better. They could have done something with HBK and Diesel making fun of him for losing to a football star which would piss Bam Bam off, he attacks both them and the feud is under way. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 29, 2020 16:24:22 GMT -5
Let's just all be in agreement that "Big Daddy Cool" Diesel was the man!!
For the WWF New Generation is running on Diesel power, and long live the New Generation!!
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Post by The Brain on Jul 29, 2020 16:27:37 GMT -5
Let's just all be in agreement that "Big Daddy Cool" Diesel was the man!! For the WWF New Generation is running on Diesel power, and long live the New Generation!! What this thread needs is a little....Diesel Blues!!! |
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Post by jking1979 on Jul 29, 2020 16:32:05 GMT -5
They could call him Kevin "Diesel" Nash and he still would look like a tough guy. It was the goofy crap like they did with Roman Reigns that made it a failure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 17:46:36 GMT -5
Let's just all be in agreement that "Big Daddy Cool" Diesel was the man!! For the WWF New Generation is running on Diesel power, and long live the New Generation!! Even though he wasn’t a great in ring worker, it’s definitely understandable how he became a big star in wrestling. He had size, body, charisma, and good mic skills. In ring workrate is not everything. |
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Post by rateddal on Jul 29, 2020 20:24:58 GMT -5
Let's just all be in agreement that "Big Daddy Cool" Diesel was the man!! For the WWF New Generation is running on Diesel power, and long live the New Generation!! Even though he wasn’t a great in ring worker, it’s definitely understandable how he became a big star in wrestling. He had size, body, charisma, and good mic skills. In ring workrate is not everything. I might be in the minority but I was always surprised Vinnie Vegas didn't take off for him. Maybe I'm the only one who liked the gimmick. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 20:26:08 GMT -5
Even though he wasn’t a great in ring worker, it’s definitely understandable how he became a big star in wrestling. He had size, body, charisma, and good mic skills. In ring workrate is not everything. I might be in the minority but I was always surprised Vinnie Vegas didn't take off for him. Maybe I'm the only one who liked the gimmick. It was ok. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 30, 2020 4:33:23 GMT -5
Vinnie Vegas was better than Oz.  |
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Post by K5 on Jul 30, 2020 9:04:05 GMT -5
Even though he wasn’t a great in ring worker, it’s definitely understandable how he became a big star in wrestling. He had size, body, charisma, and good mic skills. In ring workrate is not everything. I might be in the minority but I was always surprised Vinnie Vegas didn't take off for him. Maybe I'm the only one who liked the gimmick. wcw at that time wasn't exactly known for letting younger stars elevate... |
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