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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 16:54:32 GMT -5
I was watching the episode today where Flair won (well, was awarded) his 16th title and it’s weird that WWE didn’t do the nostalgia run like they did with Hogan when he returned to the WWE.
I can see this being a case of being able to market him as 16 time world champion, but was that really such a strong slogan back in 2002 when he had only been the 16 time champion for 2 years?
Why do you think he didn’t get the Hogan run upon his return?
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Post by The Brain on Jul 22, 2020 17:02:37 GMT -5
If they gave Hogan the belt one more time in 02 they definitely could've gave it to Flair during that time period for one final ride on top.I remembering pulling for em to beat HHH on Raw in 03.It would've been great to see him wear Big Gold one more time. At the end of the day they weren't fair to Flair
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 17:16:34 GMT -5
If they gave Hogan the belt one more time in 02 they definitely could've gave it to Flair during that time period for one final ride on top.I remembering pulling for em to beat HHH on Raw in 03.It would've been great to see him wear Big Gold one more time. At the end of the day they weren't fair to Flair haha that’s what I was thinking. They had that big celebration for him one night after the show when he wrestled HHH, where they put the belt on his shoulder and everything. Like, why didn’t they just give him the belt that night? It’s so odd that they didn’t, it would have been nothing to just have him lose it back to HHH I swear it’s like they didn’t wanna ruin the 16 time thing but at that point he was only 16 time champ for 2 years, it’s not like now where it’s been a slogan for so long you almost can’t ruin it.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 22, 2020 17:28:47 GMT -5
If they gave Hogan the belt one more time in 02 they definitely could've gave it to Flair during that time period for one final ride on top.I remembering pulling for em to beat HHH on Raw in 03.It would've been great to see him wear Big Gold one more time. At the end of the day they weren't fair to Flair haha that’s what I was thinking. They had that big celebration for him one night after the show when he wrestled HHH, where they put the belt on his shoulder and everything. Like, why didn’t they just give him the belt that night? It’s so odd that they didn’t, it would have been nothing to just have him lose it back to HHH I swear it’s like they didn’t wanna ruin the 16 time thing but at that point he was only 16 time champ for 2 years, it’s not like now where it’s been a slogan for so long you almost can’t ruin it. Exactly. And it was in the Carolinas of all places. Perfect opportunity to put the belt on em.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 17:41:30 GMT -5
haha that’s what I was thinking. They had that big celebration for him one night after the show when he wrestled HHH, where they put the belt on his shoulder and everything. Like, why didn’t they just give him the belt that night? It’s so odd that they didn’t, it would have been nothing to just have him lose it back to HHH I swear it’s like they didn’t wanna ruin the 16 time thing but at that point he was only 16 time champ for 2 years, it’s not like now where it’s been a slogan for so long you almost can’t ruin it. Exactly. And it was in the Carolinas of all places. Perfect opportunity to put the belt on em. I thought it was all but a guarantee they would put the belt on him and I really felt like he came off lesser than having not won it. I feel like they gave him the runner up trophy that night, or the silver medal. We all know how wrestling works...would Hogan have really beaten somebody like HHH in ‘02...no. He won because it’s Hogan, they wanted to give him one more run. By reasoning that Flair wasn’t worth that same month reign, I never understood how they let that slip past them ESPECIALLY because they had such a celebration for him in the Carolinas. That was the night I was specifically thinking about as them skipping on him where as with Hogan they went through with it
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Post by The Brain on Jul 22, 2020 17:45:00 GMT -5
Plus you add in this great passionate promo before the match...
Man did they drop the ball
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 17:50:32 GMT -5
Plus you add in this great passionate promo before the match... Man did they drop the ball Oh exactly! I remember the whole build to that, it was perfect. I think the idea, thinking back on it, was he lost to HHH when everybody figured he’d win, and that was the catalyst of him turning heel. Basically, he is now not good enough so he’s subordinate to HHH now. I feel like that same outcome could have been reached by having HHH beat him for the title a week later. Giving Flair the belt wouldn’t have been about driving story, it’s just that they give it to everybody...but they didn’t with him
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 22, 2020 17:51:09 GMT -5
Because....
it's all about the Game, and how you Game it it's about control, and if you can have it it's all about the wins, and who you marry it's all about the Game and the Game you can Game it!
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 17:58:28 GMT -5
Because.... it's all about the Game, and how you Game it it's about control, and if you can have it it's all about the wins, and who you marry it's all about the Game and the Game you can Game it! haha. I do think at this time the HHH train was running over everybody in sight. It’s a stupid thing, what Flair did was step aside and put over HHH, ideally that’s what veterans should do. Good on Flair for that. But they had just given Hulk the belt for a nostalgia run, and ‘02 and ‘03 aside...Flair NEVER got a world title run after his return in ‘02. They stuck the IC title on him so it’s not like he was against wining belts like HBK was. The further they got from 2000 though, the longer he was being called 16 time world champion. Once that became a slogan, I feel like that’s why he truly never won another
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Post by moonpies88 on Jul 22, 2020 20:25:19 GMT -5
It wouldve been a huge moment, then take title off him quickly
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 21:07:05 GMT -5
It wouldve been a huge moment, then take title off him quickly I mean at that point you see where it goes. If merch is selling and the fans are into it, keep it going for however long it lasts and then have HHH get the heat by beating Flair.
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Post by rkmo: Aviso de Diez Meses on Jul 22, 2020 21:08:35 GMT -5
Maybe because they claim Hulk Hogan as "their" talent while Flair was the "outsider".
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 21:13:21 GMT -5
In fairness Hulk is Hulk, I do think he’s on a tier above Flair. WWE goes so out of their way though to put him on the same level as Hogan but they didn’t hesitate to stick that belt back on Hogan.
With the way Flair talked at Stings HOF induction, you’d think Flair WAS a WWE guy
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Post by rateddal on Jul 22, 2020 21:58:00 GMT -5
I found Hogan's character a lot more believable in channeling one last title run than Flair's. That might just be me though.
I think a super human strength character hulking up occasionally played well with a final run. Flair I just wasn't buying too much in the 2000s.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Jul 23, 2020 8:17:51 GMT -5
I would have loved to have seen Ric Flair defeat Hulk Hogan for the Undisputed WWE Championship Title Belt. At least he completed the Triple Crown.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 23, 2020 20:28:03 GMT -5
If there was only 1 title in the WWE at the time I would have been against it but seeing as how the WWE had two titles, they could have easily let Triple H drop it to Flair. Let Flair carry it for like a week or two until the next PPV where Triple H gets it back.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 24, 2020 14:54:11 GMT -5
I was watching the episode today where Flair won (well, was awarded) his 16th title and it’s weird that WWE didn’t do the nostalgia run like they did with Hogan when he returned to the WWE. I can see this being a case of being able to market him as 16 time world champion, but was that really such a strong slogan back in 2002 when he had only been the 16 time champion for 2 years? Why do you think he didn’t get the Hogan run upon his return? I enjoyed Ric Flair's RA Era run from 2002-2008, but he was there mainly because he needed the money (he owed the IRS and got a divorce) and to put over younger talent. The guy was jobbing to friggin Rico back in 2002.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 24, 2020 18:52:27 GMT -5
I think it would have been a huge moment anywhere from 2002-2005 when HHH was the eternal champion. It would happen on raw then Flair loses it on the next PPV...2 weeks or a month down the line.
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