moonpies88
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Post by moonpies88 on Jul 29, 2020 14:28:22 GMT -5
what about Bret Hart ending the streak ? At Starrcade 98? The entire latter half of the year would have to be changed...also his political enemy Nash was the booker...so he HAD to end the streak. I was gonna say Sting in a "face of WCW" battle but i forgot Sting was NWO at that time |
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 29, 2020 14:31:53 GMT -5
At Starrcade 98? The entire latter half of the year would have to be changed...also his political enemy Nash was the booker...so he HAD to end the streak. I was gonna say Sting in a "face of WCW" battle but i forgot Sting was NWO at that time He was nWo and relegated to the midcard too...I think he was injured by the time of S98 too |
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Post by The Brain on Jul 29, 2020 14:33:53 GMT -5
I was gonna say Sting in a "face of WCW" battle but i forgot Sting was NWO at that time He was nWo and relegated to the midcard too.. .I think he was injured by the time of S98 tooYeah Bret took em out at Havoc and he didnt return until the following Spring. |
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jking1979
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Post by jking1979 on Jul 29, 2020 15:20:36 GMT -5
Meng could have ended the streak. He is a legit tough guy that looks like he belongs in a Mortal Kombat game. WCW never went that direction unfortunately. The reality is DDP or Kevin Nash were the guys to do it. I didn't care for the taser stuff.
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Post by themonsteramongus on Jul 29, 2020 15:29:04 GMT -5
Honestly, to me, it should have been Page at Halloween Havoc.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 29, 2020 15:34:31 GMT -5
Honestly, to me, it should have been Page at Halloween Havoc. Goldberg's best match IMO. |
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Post by themonsteramongus on Jul 29, 2020 15:35:42 GMT -5
Honestly, to me, it should have been Page at Halloween Havoc. Goldberg's best match IMO. 100% And the crowd was behind Page and they would not have crapped on it. |
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Post by jking1979 on Jul 29, 2020 15:40:45 GMT -5
I liked Bill Goldberg's matches with Raven and Perry Saturn. I still laugh at Lord Steven Regal's attempt to have a quality match with him.
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TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 3, 2020 4:53:00 GMT -5
It wasn't too soon. Watch the crowd pop at Starrcade 98. And to the point of Flair-Hogan...In terms of PPV buyrates if you look at the top ten buyrates in WCW history only once did a Goldberg main event PPV make the list, it was Starrcade 98. A PPV that did a better buyrate?  ing SuperBrawl 99 with Hogan-Flair in the main event for the title. That's right Hogan-Flair for the title IN 19 MOTHER IN 99 did better numbers than Goldberg during his streak in the main event. But Goldberg was actually pulling in decent ratings for Nitro every time he was on during this time period. Says so in The Death of WCW. In that book they also say Bischoff's plan was to have the NWO regroup (hence the fingerpoke of doom), then for Goldberg to get his heat back by running through every single one of them, en route to reclaiming the WCW title. But it obviously didn't go down, unsurprisingly. They also mention in the book that Goldberg should have NEVER ended the streak, he should have had an undefeated career. Bryan Alvarez was right about many things but this? How could you keep his undefeated streak going, remain interesting, fresh and gripping? It painted WCW into a corner and creatively it gets very difficult to keep topping this type of thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 12:51:33 GMT -5
Kevin Nash said that if your gimmick is of an undefeated wrestler, you should retire after losing. I disagree.
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 3, 2020 19:14:02 GMT -5
Funny I was just thinking about this this morning lol, well here is my take:
1. Goldberg should've won the WCW World title at a PPV against Hogan clean
2. nWo DIES because of Goldberg, no more, original Outsiders destroy Hogan after the match
3. Hogan teams up with Goldberg
4. In order to ensure Goldberg's run wasn't going to be stale you would have to make him more vulnerable, take some DQ/CO losses.
5. Keep the title on Goldberg for as long as they could and have him drop to someone like Sting or Bret Hart, someone strong enough to beat him.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 3, 2020 23:26:14 GMT -5
It wasn't too soon. Watch the crowd pop at Starrcade 98. And to the point of Flair-Hogan...In terms of PPV buyrates if you look at the top ten buyrates in WCW history only once did a Goldberg main event PPV make the list, it was Starrcade 98. A PPV that did a better buyrate? ing SuperBrawl 99 with Hogan-Flair in the main event for the title. That's right Hogan-Flair for the title IN 19 MOTHER IN 99 did better numbers than Goldberg during his streak in the main event. But Goldberg was actually pulling in decent ratings for Nitro every time he was on during this time period. Says so in The Death of WCW. In that book they also say Bischoff's plan was to have the NWO regroup (hence the fingerpoke of doom), then for Goldberg to get his heat back by running through every single one of them, en route to reclaiming the WCW title. But it obviously didn't go down, unsurprisingly. They also mention in the book that Goldberg should have NEVER ended the streak, he should have had an undefeated career. Bryan Alvarez was right about many things but this? How could you keep his undefeated streak going, remain interesting, fresh and gripping? It painted WCW into a corner and creatively it gets very difficult to keep topping this type of thing. If you look at the ratings Goldberg was in two of the highest rated matches in Nitro history. Vs Hogan that should have been on PPV and DDP which was supposed to be on PPV. For head to head, the last time Nitro won against Raw in the Monday Night War was actually the night they replayed the Halloween Havoc main event on 10-26-1998. Goldbergs streak came to an end two months after that on 12-27-98. So I think you could argue that DDP should have ended the streak. And it's not like WCW was fine and dandy until Starrcade 98. The cracks were already showing. |
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TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 4, 2020 3:15:48 GMT -5
Funny I was just thinking about this this morning lol, well here is my take: 1. Goldberg should've won the WCW World title at a PPV against Hogan clean 2. nWo DIES because of Goldberg, no more, original Outsiders destroy Hogan after the match 3. Hogan teams up with Goldberg 4. In order to ensure Goldberg's run wasn't going to be stale you would have to make him more vulnerable, take some DQ/CO losses. 5. Keep the title on Goldberg for as long as they could and have him drop to someone like Sting or Bret Hart, someone strong enough to beat him. In theory, this all sounds great. But WCW had a major problem of lacking credible heels. There were faces, then mid-card heels, and tweeners like the Outsiders. Savage, Sid, Scott Steiner were all great heels, but basically unable to carry a main event calibre feud. So they forced Sting to turn heel, which flopped, then Bret, which failed because of his head injury. People didn't want to boo the Outsiders because they were too "cool" at that stage. Hogan wanted a final babyface run, which was the right time. But after all this - they weren't left with many, they hadn't done a great job of building up the next big heels. If you look at the ratings Goldberg was in two of the highest rated matches in Nitro history. Vs Hogan that should have been on PPV and DDP which was supposed to be on PPV. For head to head, the last time Nitro won against Raw in the Monday Night War was actually the night they replayed the Halloween Havoc main event on 10-26-1998. Goldbergs streak came to an end two months after that on 12-27-98. So I think you could argue that DDP should have ended the streak. And it's not like WCW was fine and dandy until Starrcade 98. The cracks were already showing. For sure, they weren't doing great ratings anyway, but Goldberg was still credible and fresh to the product than Flair, Hogan, Savage.... and they just ruined his momentum. He still brought them value and helped their ratings, even a little. |
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 5, 2020 13:30:02 GMT -5
Funny I was just thinking about this this morning lol, well here is my take: 1. Goldberg should've won the WCW World title at a PPV against Hogan clean 2. nWo DIES because of Goldberg, no more, original Outsiders destroy Hogan after the match 3. Hogan teams up with Goldberg 4. In order to ensure Goldberg's run wasn't going to be stale you would have to make him more vulnerable, take some DQ/CO losses. 5. Keep the title on Goldberg for as long as they could and have him drop to someone like Sting or Bret Hart, someone strong enough to beat him. In theory, this all sounds great. But WCW had a major problem of lacking credible heels. There were faces, then mid-card heels, and tweeners like the Outsiders. Savage, Sid, Scott Steiner were all great heels, but basically unable to carry a main event calibre feud. So they forced Sting to turn heel, which flopped, then Bret, which failed because of his head injury. People didn't want to boo the Outsiders because they were too "cool" at that stage. Hogan wanted a final babyface run, which was the right time. But after all this - they weren't left with many, they hadn't done a great job of building up the next big heels. If you look at the ratings Goldberg was in two of the highest rated matches in Nitro history. Vs Hogan that should have been on PPV and DDP which was supposed to be on PPV. For head to head, the last time Nitro won against Raw in the Monday Night War was actually the night they replayed the Halloween Havoc main event on 10-26-1998. Goldbergs streak came to an end two months after that on 12-27-98. So I think you could argue that DDP should have ended the streak. And it's not like WCW was fine and dandy until Starrcade 98. The cracks were already showing. For sure, they weren't doing great ratings anyway, but Goldberg was still credible and fresh to the product than Flair, Hogan, Savage.... and they just ruined his momentum. He still brought them value and helped their ratings, even a little. You're right about heels, you can only be as good as a face as there are enough heels to work with you. Perhaps put the First Family in quickly as the first feud for Goldberg after the "end" of the nWo so he can start working on some heels, while WCW tries to get other heels over. Maybe rebuild or repackage some heels. They will definitely need a big heel for Goldberg to work with down the road that comes out as a threat before he becomes way too stale beating everyone....I think this gives me an idea for a Wrestling Sims diary lol |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 6, 2020 4:17:36 GMT -5
I’m watching an episode of nitro from 98(I try to watch some classic wrestling instead of today’s raw) and on this show he went 121-0. His streak would end by the end of the year, but was it too soon? I think, and Bobby Heenan has said this in shoot interviews, that it should have lasted longer and Kevin Nash shouldn’t have ended it. It should have gone at least until September 99(2 year mark). I mean did Hogan and Flair need to win the title in 1999? I still think WCW should have kept Goldberg away from the Giant for a year or so, then had the Giant be the one to be the one to end of the streak. Then WCW could have milked the storyline of the Giant being too much for Goldberg to handle, built the drama, and eventually had Goldberg recapture the belt. That would have enhanced everyone involved, and been good for WCW's long-term health. |
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