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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 7, 2020 11:19:42 GMT -5
Hello all, as a music fan I am engrained with the idea of genres, and crossovers, or sub genres, in cases where it is warranted. The other day I had heard an interview with Tommy Lee that suggested genres aren't necessary anymore. It goes against my brain to think about music in that way, and a tag at least helps me explore closely themed music. For those that think genres are old hat, can you please explain to me why, and what makes that better than having genre tags? I am truly interested in this take....
Thanks guys.
VPV
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 7, 2020 15:50:45 GMT -5
I think they still are necessary in a way. Soundtracks will always be divided into 2 genres, a score which is instrumental music played during the movie. Then there's the various artists soundtrack, which features songs inspired by or used in the movie. The various artists soundtrack doesn't appeal to the score aficionado.
Look at Taylor Swift for example. She started off as a country singer. Her songs would always cross the country charts to the pop charts. She eventually ditched the country music for more a pop career since her songs would always be popping the pop charts.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 9, 2020 17:21:39 GMT -5
If you liked 80s rock, does todays rock satisfy you?
If you liked Garth Brooks and Alan Jackson, does kane brown do it for you?
If you loved 2pac and biggie, can you listen to lil yachty and drake?
The music isnt the same, so it doesnt fit the genres the same anymore. Country borders pop, we have country rap, emo rap...it just a mash now.
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Post by †hê Jå§ðñ Wïllïåm§ on Aug 10, 2020 1:17:08 GMT -5
If you liked 80s rock, does todays rock satisfy you? If you liked Garth Brooks and Alan Jackson, does kane brown do it for you? If you loved 2pac and biggie, can you listen to lil yachty and drake? The music isnt the same, so it doesnt fit the genres the same anymore. Country borders pop, we have country rap, emo rap...it just a mash now. Literally the first example you give uses decades, which goes in favor of the argument about there being music genres. Look at music by decades, 80s Rock has a different sound compared to most 90s rock bands, and you can do that all the way up until today. Genres evolve and change sound, and thats where sub-genres come in. As an easy example, rap has a lot of sub-genres because of the different sounds that are still considered rap/hip-hop. City Morgue sounds completely different than Juice Wrld, but they both are the same genre, just different sub-genres. Could say the same with Country music too if you look at Florida Georgia Line vs Charley Crockett. Also music taste is different with everyone. You are still a fan of rap if you enjoy 2Pac and Notorious B.I.G. while not liking Drake or Lil Yachty.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 10, 2020 6:20:22 GMT -5
If you liked 80s rock, does todays rock satisfy you? If you liked Garth Brooks and Alan Jackson, does kane brown do it for you? If you loved 2pac and biggie, can you listen to lil yachty and drake? The music isnt the same, so it doesnt fit the genres the same anymore. Country borders pop, we have country rap, emo rap...it just a mash now. Literally the first example you give uses decades, which goes in favor of the argument about there being music genres. Look at music by decades, 80s Rock has a different sound compared to most 90s rock bands, and you can do that all the way up until today. Genres evolve and change sound, and thats where sub-genres come in. As an easy example, rap has a lot of sub-genres because of the different sounds that are still considered rap/hip-hop. City Morgue sounds completely different than Juice Wrld, but they both are the same genre, just different sub-genres. Could say the same with Country music too if you look at Florida Georgia Line vs Charley Crockett. Also music taste is different with everyone. You are still a fan of rap if you enjoy 2Pac and Notorious B.I.G. while not liking Drake or Lil Yachty. If you have to go through the trouble of using a subgenre 8 times , it proves it isnt needed. Imagine each genre/subgenre is a folder on a computer. Open rap. Open current. Open mainstream. Open guys who say literally anything that rhymes. Open likely to OD. Ah! Theres my song! Genres are for people that need to be coached into what to like. It's such an irrelevant thing. Music is just music, it doesnt need a target audience.
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Aug 10, 2020 6:38:04 GMT -5
"i like music"
"oh cool, what kind of music?"
"music."
"oh, ok then..."
yes, genres are helpful in classifying music.
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Post by Valbroski on Aug 10, 2020 9:45:29 GMT -5
"i like music" "oh cool, what kind of music?" "music." "oh, ok then..." yes, genres are helpful in classifying music. I hate getting asked this. Especially when it’s from somebody I’m meeting for the first time and they think it’s an original question.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 10, 2020 11:24:46 GMT -5
"i like music" "oh cool, what kind of music?" "music." "oh, ok then..." yes, genres are helpful in classifying music. But most people are diverse in their likes. I know people that like Arianna grande, kendrick Lamar and Reba McIntyre. That's just music. You dont need labels for everything
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 10, 2020 12:53:05 GMT -5
I mean, I suppose there's a place for genres in music. Personally, I think people tend to be a bit too uppity about them, which is really kind of stupid, when you think about it. Walk into a crowded room and shout "punk rock", and you'll get a thousand different people with a thousand different ideas of what is or isn't "punk rock". Nobody does that for comedy, or drama, or any other sort of medium that makes use of genres, but damned if you can't start a world war on the back of what is or isn't "metal".
To an extent, I find that I don't really explore music using genres anymore. Part of that is just getting to a place in my life where I don't GAF what somebody thinks about the stuff I listen to, but part of it, I find, is because having a preconceived notion of something I'm going into blind really kind of sets an expectation in my mind that can be both exceeded or fallen short of in equal measure. There's a large part of my library that most would otherwise consider "punk", sub-genres notwithstanding. If there's a certain place in my mind that "punk" exists, and whatever it is I'm pursuing falls short of that (which it has countless times before), then I might otherwise write it off if someone just handed me something and said "give this a listen" without setting those expectations in my mind. It's gone the other way, too. I went and saw Kesha a few years ago, mostly at the behest of my wife. I knew and liked enough of her stuff that she'd gotten briefly huge over, but that's what I figured I was in for. Instead, I got recently emancipated Kesha touring off a new album that was nothing like anything I'd ever associated with her because of pre-set prejudices, and I came away with a whole new appreciation for her as an artist.
The best advice I can give anyone who fancies themselves a lover of music, on its own, irrespective of any sort of compartmentalization within, is to kind of toss out your own personal need for genres. I find that I've come away with a better appreciation for most things having stopped giving so much worry to which box they best fit into. If it's sonically enjoyable, go with it! If it's not doing anything for you - on to the next!
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 10, 2020 12:53:58 GMT -5
When I'm on my deck sitting in my adirondack chair with my feet in the kiddie pool throwing back keystones, you better believe the only music allowed is yacht rock.
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Post by snowjorden on Aug 10, 2020 22:57:59 GMT -5
If you loved 2pac and biggie, can you listen to lil yachty and drake? Noooooooooooo, I can't. 🤮🤮
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Post by Weemanv1 on Aug 11, 2020 12:30:03 GMT -5
Genres are necessary and they aren't a problem. It's fine to label music as a certain genre. It helps people to find other like music that they might enjoy as everyone has their own tastes.
The problem? Gatekeeping. Fans who rush to immediately tell you when something isn't a certain genre or that you aren't a fan for liking certain music. People who turn their noses up at you for listening to certain music or act snooty because they listen to "all music" even though they're the first to ask you to switch the song when you start listening to something not mainstream. That's the problem that makes genres seem divisive. Genres as a pure classification system? Completely necessary. Same with movie genres, video game genres, artstyles, and so on.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Aug 16, 2020 11:52:58 GMT -5
Genres are necessary for you to try to narrow down something you may be looking for. They also play a key role when it comes to mixing a playlist. Paying attention to genres you like can also help you learn about yourself and your own tastes. Really, it's just a convenient way of sorting and organizing crap.
That being said, choosing one genre to be a fan of over others can get dangerous and rob you of chances to find something new you might like. Genres are a tool, not some hard and fast rule to go by.
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Post by †hê Jå§ðñ Wïllïåm§ on Aug 18, 2020 0:30:36 GMT -5
Literally the first example you give uses decades, which goes in favor of the argument about there being music genres. Look at music by decades, 80s Rock has a different sound compared to most 90s rock bands, and you can do that all the way up until today. Genres evolve and change sound, and thats where sub-genres come in. As an easy example, rap has a lot of sub-genres because of the different sounds that are still considered rap/hip-hop. City Morgue sounds completely different than Juice Wrld, but they both are the same genre, just different sub-genres. Could say the same with Country music too if you look at Florida Georgia Line vs Charley Crockett. Also music taste is different with everyone. You are still a fan of rap if you enjoy 2Pac and Notorious B.I.G. while not liking Drake or Lil Yachty. If you have to go through the trouble of using a subgenre 8 times , it proves it isnt needed. Imagine each genre/subgenre is a folder on a computer. Open rap. Open current. Open mainstream. Open guys who say literally anything that rhymes. Open likely to OD. Ah! Theres my song! Genres are for people that need to be coached into what to like. It's such an irrelevant thing. Music is just music, it doesnt need a target audience. Sub-genres are still genres. Everything still falls under one big "genre" in the end. Also it's 2020 man, nobody's opening folders to find songs anymore. How old are you?
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 18, 2020 5:52:03 GMT -5
If you have to go through the trouble of using a subgenre 8 times , it proves it isnt needed. Imagine each genre/subgenre is a folder on a computer. Open rap. Open current. Open mainstream. Open guys who say literally anything that rhymes. Open likely to OD. Ah! Theres my song! Genres are for people that need to be coached into what to like. It's such an irrelevant thing. Music is just music, it doesnt need a target audience. Sub-genres are still genres. Everything still falls under one big "genre" in the end. Also it's 2020 man, nobody's opening folders to find songs anymore. How old are you? I said imagine. Not literally do it. Making a joke calling me old while defending an outdated concept is funny though. I'm not gonna keep this stupid back and forth going.
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Post by snowjorden on Aug 18, 2020 13:20:21 GMT -5
If you have to go through the trouble of using a subgenre 8 times , it proves it isnt needed. Imagine each genre/subgenre is a folder on a computer.Open rap. Open current. Open mainstream. Open guys who say literally anything that rhymes. Open likely to OD. Ah! Theres my song! Genres are for people that need to be coached into what to like. It's such an irrelevant thing. Music is just music, it doesnt need a target audience. Sub-genres are still genres. Everything still falls under one big "genre" in the end. Also it's 2020 man, nobody's opening folders to find songs anymore. How old are you? I said imagine. Not literally do it. Making a joke calling me old while defending an outdated concept is funny though. I'm not gonna keep this stupid back and forth going. Are you looking at my External HD? Js... mines sorted.
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Post by †hê Jå§ðñ Wïllïåm§ on Aug 18, 2020 13:48:57 GMT -5
If you have to go through the trouble of using a subgenre 8 times , it proves it isnt needed. Imagine each genre/subgenre is a folder on a computer.Open rap. Open current. Open mainstream. Open guys who say literally anything that rhymes. Open likely to OD. Ah! Theres my song! Genres are for people that need to be coached into what to like. It's such an irrelevant thing. Music is just music, it doesnt need a target audience. I said imagine. Not literally do it. Making a joke calling me old while defending an outdated concept is funny though. I'm not gonna keep this stupid back and forth going. Are you looking at my External HD? Js... mines sorted. I mean I've got a hard drive that's got music on it too sorted by artist, but then it all syncs with iTunes so I don't have to click folders to pick my songs
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Post by snowjorden on Aug 18, 2020 14:14:07 GMT -5
I mean I've got a hard drive that's got music on it too sorted by artist, but then it all syncs with iTunes so I don't have to click folders to pick my songs Yeah, I don't use iTunes.
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Post by †hê Jå§ðñ Wïllïåm§ on Aug 18, 2020 14:52:01 GMT -5
I mean I've got a hard drive that's got music on it too sorted by artist, but then it all syncs with iTunes so I don't have to click folders to pick my songs Yeah, I don't use iTunes. yea I could prolly use something better than itunes like foobar2000 if i didnt have an iphone
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Aug 25, 2020 12:16:08 GMT -5
"i like music" "oh cool, what kind of music?" "music." "oh, ok then..." yes, genres are helpful in classifying music. But most people are diverse in their likes. I know people that like Arianna grande, kendrick Lamar and Reba McIntyre. That's just music. You dont need labels for everything This is me. don't care about genres long as the music is good.
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