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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 26, 2020 15:05:35 GMT -5
Not at all. Has nothing to do with Bliss, perfect example is I hated the storyline she had with Nia and it wad dragged out entirely too long itself. The problem is neither of these women are good faces and only Sasha is good as a heel...so if/when a turn happens someone is going to be out of place and it just simply wont have the payoff that it needs to be. Im not saying the match(es) wont be good, Im sure they will but 5 star matches arent what brings in viewers (unless you're Dave Meltzer) pro wrestling always has and always will be about telling a story. You just implied that Bayley isn’t good as a face or a heel despite being insanely over as both. I think you’re making your argument invalid personally. Their storyline has had the most interest of just about anything going on the last few months. People are loving the story and waiting for the blow off. So waiting till Wrestlemania when crowds might be possible is the right move. I didn't imply anything. I said it. She hasn't been over since NXT when she was running around hugging Izzy. |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 26, 2020 16:58:11 GMT -5
Bayley is super over. People I never would have dreamed would have cared about Bayley are into this version. It’s not just my blind fandom either. She consistently sells merch, has been praised by Vince as a top star, praised by Jim Cornette who does not care for women’s wrestling, and Michelle Mccool posted that Undertakers daughter wanted a Bayley haircut.
You don’t have to like her but to say she’s not over is delusional
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 26, 2020 17:15:26 GMT -5
You just implied that Bayley isn’t good as a face or a heel despite being insanely over as both. I think you’re making your argument invalid personally. Their storyline has had the most interest of just about anything going on the last few months. People are loving the story and waiting for the blow off. So waiting till Wrestlemania when crowds might be possible is the right move. I didn't imply anything. I said it. She hasn't been over since NXT when she was running around hugging Izzy. Ok kid. Guess I must have imagined being in crowds or watching shows with people being super into her. Whatever you say. |
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Post by shenmue on Aug 26, 2020 17:59:46 GMT -5
Sums up not "somes up" Tang, JD will not be proud of your grammar. Bryan Alvarez is also a tad bit disappointed.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 26, 2020 18:24:58 GMT -5
I didn't imply anything. I said it. She hasn't been over since NXT when she was running around hugging Izzy. Ok kid. Guess I must have imagined being in crowds or watching shows with people being super into her. Whatever you say. you chose an accurate screen name! |
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 26, 2020 18:36:20 GMT -5
Ok kid. Guess I must have imagined being in crowds or watching shows with people being super into her. Whatever you say. you chose an accurate screen name! You think your personal opinion of someone’s work is a factual statement when are straight up ignoring merch sales and fandom. Bayley and Sasha are widely considered two of the best currently for their heel work. But because you aren’t a fan, that means it’s magically not the case. But I’m the clown. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 21:54:33 GMT -5
You just implied that Bayley isn’t good as a face or a heel despite being insanely over as both. I think you’re making your argument invalid personally. Their storyline has had the most interest of just about anything going on the last few months. People are loving the story and waiting for the blow off. So waiting till Wrestlemania when crowds might be possible is the right move. I didn't imply anything. I said it. She hasn't been over since NXT when she was running around hugging Izzy. Back then she was over as a babyface, but now she’s over as a heel. Bayley’s career kind of went downhill after the Bliss feud and was kind of in limbo until she turned heel. She’s been a steady women’s main eventer since. |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 26, 2020 22:23:55 GMT -5
I didn't imply anything. I said it. She hasn't been over since NXT when she was running around hugging Izzy. Back then she was over as a babyface, but now she’s over as a heel. Bayley’s career kind of went downhill after the Bliss feud and was kind of in limbo until she turned heel. She’s been a steady women’s main eventer since.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 23:33:17 GMT -5
Based on Monday it seems like maybe they can drag it out until Wrestlemania. It's really where it should be. Personally I really enjoy the story and the arc they've been doing. I find Bayley really good on the mic as a heel, she annoys the crap out of me in a good way. Makes me want to grab one of the New Day pancake platters and start frisbeeing them towards her face. Again, in a good way. Wrestling is so weird to talk about sometimes.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Aug 27, 2020 5:22:01 GMT -5
I still don’t like either one. Couldn’t care less if I never saw either again.
Don’t @ me
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 27, 2020 5:49:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm sick of seeing these two try-hards, and I'm sick of people still hyping that overrated, botchfest of a match, from five years ago. I had absolutely no interest in that match, and I've no interest in this drawn-out, long-winded "story" - nor the match it's building up to. Also, Bayley holding the title hostage for over 300 days, due to this, is a complete joke. Don't you worry little one, Charlotte is coming back soon, just got to fix those gorgeous boobs (possibly her nose as well) of hers and she is good to go. Patience. What has Charlotte's return, got to do with me having absolutely no interest in neither Banks or Bayley - and even less interest in their crappy storyline? you chose an accurate screen name! You think your personal opinion of someone’s work is a factual statement when are straight up ignoring merch sales and fandom. Bayley and Sasha are widely considered two of the best currently for their heel work. But because you aren’t a fan, that means it’s magically not the case. But I’m the clown. Lol Well, obviously some people's definition of good heel work, differs to mine. Good heel work means you actually want to listen to what they have to say - because in most cases, the top heels are the best talkers and most charismatic personalities on the roster... so that rules these two out straight away. Heels have to be able to cut great promos, because they carry the weight in most feuds. Neither Banks or Bayley are good promos. Banks is obviously better than Bayley - but compared to some other women, is no more than average. Bayley - due to having no charisma or personality, whatsoever, has always been awful on the mic - and that is never going to change. These two are certainly not captivating - they're an instant channel changer. They've not got watchable heel heat, but rather that infamous, go away, "X-Pac heat" If you want an example of exceptional heel work, look no further than Zelina Vega... captivating, confident, sassy, oozing personality, a natural ability on the mic - and you want to take notice of everything she has to say. Cackling like a couple of hens and shouting at Michael Cole like these two fools do, is not good heel work. You simply can't be a great heel if you have the personality of dried toast, like Bayley. There are so many women who are better in a heel role... namely Vega, IIconics, Evans, Bliss, Riott, Deville - even Dakota Kai down in NXT - it's beyond me why they continue to put so much focus on these two irritants. |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 27, 2020 8:38:28 GMT -5
Don't you worry little one, Charlotte is coming back soon, just got to fix those gorgeous boobs (possibly her nose as well) of hers and she is good to go. Patience. What has Charlotte's return, got to do with me having absolutely no interest in neither Banks or Bayley - and even less interest in their crappy storyline? You think your personal opinion of someone’s work is a factual statement when are straight up ignoring merch sales and fandom. Bayley and Sasha are widely considered two of the best currently for their heel work. But because you aren’t a fan, that means it’s magically not the case. But I’m the clown. Lol Well, obviously some people's definition of good heel work, differs to mine. Good heel work means you actually want to listen to what they have to say - because in most cases, the top heels are the best talkers and most charismatic personalities on the roster... so that rules these two out straight away. Heels have to be able to cut great promos, because they carry the weight in most feuds. Neither Banks or Bayley are good promos. Banks is obviously better than Bayley - but compared to some other women, is no more than average. Bayley - due to having no charisma or personality, whatsoever, has always been awful on the mic - and that is never going to change. These two are certainly not captivating - they're an instant channel changer. They've not got watchable heel heat, but rather that infamous, go away, "X-Pac heat" If you want an example of exceptional heel work, look no further than Zelina Vega... captivating, confident, sassy, oozing personality, a natural ability on the mic - and you want to take notice of everything she has to say. Cackling like a couple of hens and shouting at Michael Cole like these two fools do, is not good heel work. You simply can't be a great heel if you have the personality of dried toast, like Bayley. There are so many women who are better in a heel role... namely Vega, IIconics, Evans, Bliss, Riott, Deville - even Dakota Kai down in NXT - it's beyond me why they continue to put so much focus on these two irritants. You’re an irritant. You’re one person. You’re one opinion doesn’t dictate how hundreds of thousands Of others feel. Sound like the Mattel board like “why won’t they make the one guy I want and 3 people on this board want!” Never thinking THIS IS A PG SHOW FOR CHILDREN. Get over it or find a new show to watch. You and Chip both god damn... |
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Post by K5 on Aug 27, 2020 8:53:36 GMT -5
What has Charlotte's return, got to do with me having absolutely no interest in neither Banks or Bayley - and even less interest in their crappy storyline? Well, obviously some people's definition of good heel work, differs to mine. Good heel work means you actually want to listen to what they have to say - because in most cases, the top heels are the best talkers and most charismatic personalities on the roster... so that rules these two out straight away. Heels have to be able to cut great promos, because they carry the weight in most feuds. Neither Banks or Bayley are good promos. Banks is obviously better than Bayley - but compared to some other women, is no more than average. Bayley - due to having no charisma or personality, whatsoever, has always been awful on the mic - and that is never going to change. These two are certainly not captivating - they're an instant channel changer. They've not got watchable heel heat, but rather that infamous, go away, "X-Pac heat" If you want an example of exceptional heel work, look no further than Zelina Vega... captivating, confident, sassy, oozing personality, a natural ability on the mic - and you want to take notice of everything she has to say. Cackling like a couple of hens and shouting at Michael Cole like these two fools do, is not good heel work. You simply can't be a great heel if you have the personality of dried toast, like Bayley. There are so many women who are better in a heel role... namely Vega, IIconics, Evans, Bliss, Riott, Deville - even Dakota Kai down in NXT - it's beyond me why they continue to put so much focus on these two irritants. You’re an irritant. You’re one person. You’re one opinion doesn’t dictate how hundreds of thousands Of others feel. Sound like the Mattel board like “why won’t they make the one guy I want and 3 people on this board want!” Never thinking THIS IS A PG SHOW FOR CHILDREN. Get over it or find a new show to watch. You and Chip both god damn... over in the AEW board we just read his posts as if it's heel promos from PAC, works near perfect every time dude is miserable, don't let it affect you. |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 27, 2020 9:02:50 GMT -5
I forget there’s a block button too.... that’s no way to live though!
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 27, 2020 11:10:12 GMT -5
I love how people with biased opinions tell others that their opinions are wrong.
But hey, scream at the microphone more and beg the fans to boo instead of sitting in silence, thats great heel work.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 27, 2020 13:21:54 GMT -5
I love how people with biased opinions tell others that their opinions are wrong. But hey, scream at the microphone more and beg the fans to boo instead of sitting in silence, thats great heel work. You can have an opinion but it’s not facts. Fact is that everyone but you and constantly miserable punk in this thread are into the fued. Your opinion is an outlier. Just because she is not over with you doesn’t mean that she isn’t with a majority of the audience. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 27, 2020 16:29:07 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of Jeff Hardy. Personally never saw the appeal. Even so, I’d sure look dumb if I said he wasn’t a good babyface.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 27, 2020 16:59:51 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of Jeff Hardy. Personally never saw the appeal. Even so, I’d sure look dumb if I said he wasn’t a good babyface. To be fair I don’t think that he said she can’t be, it’s that he thinks she hasn’t been anything of note since NXT, which could be said about a lot of call ups. I’ll admit her Raw title win was a bit botched with her winning it before Mania and then not dropping it when she had the chance to win it legit at the big show. That wasn’t her fault necessarily, but I think it hurt her shine a bit and the Bliss feud I just can’t forgive. That’s where my bias comes in but I can see the missteps. To just say you don’t like her or can’t stand her or its “go away heat” is fine but it’s nothing more than a bias opinion. I never even got “xpac heat” as a thing. That’s some crap jaded old men came up with. I was like 10 or 11 when that would’ve been a thing I think, and Xpac was cool as hell. If you hated him for personal reasons then that’s fine too, but he was always a good performer and seemed pretty damn over up to 2000 or so. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 27, 2020 17:43:02 GMT -5
You’re an irritant. You’re one person. You’re one opinion doesn’t dictate how hundreds of thousands Of others feel. Sound like the Mattel board like “why won’t they make the one guy I want and 3 people on this board want!” Never thinking THIS IS A PG SHOW FOR CHILDREN. Get over it or find a new show to watch. You and Chip both god damn... over in the AEW board we just read his posts as if it's heel promos from PAC, works near perfect every time dude is miserable, don't let it affect you. So having an opinion that differs from the supposed general concensus, means I'm miserable? I'm not miserable at all, thanks - I just don't champion mediocrity, like some on here. I'm certainly not miserable when discussing things that entertain me, or talent that is worthy of praise - a category that neither Banks nor Bayley will ever fall into. Also, what's Chip got to do with this? Lol. |
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Post by shenmue on Aug 27, 2020 17:47:02 GMT -5
To be fair to controversial Maverick Punk i have never seen him be miserable when posting about CM Punk or Charlotte, he is very consistent in his postings, very consistent, not as consistent as Tang/JD/Bryan Alvarez but almost.
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