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Post by hbkjason on Sept 7, 2020 11:34:53 GMT -5
What If: Sid Justice Won The 1992 Royal Rumble? I have to start by saying that I love the 1992 Royal Rumble as it is. Flair's performance, The Brain on commentary, and Hogan being a heel and screwing Sid. However, Vince loved Sid Justice’s look so what if he decided that the 1992 Royal Rumble was going to be the coming out party for Sid and have him win the WWF title? I am not 100 percent, but I do not think it was known at this time Sid was really unhappy and wanted to leave. I for one think that we would still have gotten the two matches we got at WrestleMania, but Sid vs Hogan would have been for the title. Of course, Hogan taking time off after WrestleMania could prevent this from happening. If that is the case, what could they have done? I know that many wanted Hogan vs Flair at WrestleMania, but as a kid and even more so now, I loved Savage vs Flair. I feel that this match could have been just as good and intense without the WWF title on the line. You also have to wonder, if they had given Sid the title here would that have made him happy, and perhaps, he would have stayed with the WWF longer? Could he have faced the returning Ultimate Warrior at SummerSlam? Would Sid have screwed it all up and quit, still while being the WWF Champion? If Sid got over as champion, does Bret Hart still become champion later in 1992? This is a hard one to talk about. I find Ric Flair not winning the Royal Rumble an interesting proposition, but it is one that is very hard to imagine. I would love to hear your thoughts on what would have happened had the WWF decided Sid Justice was the man to win the Rumble and the WWF title!
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Post by CM Tusk on Sept 7, 2020 13:48:03 GMT -5
I believe Sid wasn’t happy because he was told he’d be given the belt and then wasn’t. So winning it would have changed things I’m sure. Babyface Sid winning the Rumble and defending it at Wrestlemania would have been interest because I don’t think Hogan would have been the opponent. If anything, Undertaker could have worked. Do Hogan vs Flair and Savage vs Jake.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 7, 2020 13:51:31 GMT -5
That is an interesting thing to think about. I believe I heard that Vince wanted Sid to be his next Hogan but Sid wanted to be a heel. Had Sid won the rumble, I think it would have been better for him to remain a babyface as the champion, he was super over at the time. I think the WWF could have gone a different route at WM8 with matches, I think they should have gotten Hogan vs Flair, Macho vs Jake, and Sid vs Taker for the WWF Title. Flair and Hogan would probably end the show since they were billing this as Hogan's retirement, I think they do the same ending here that they did with the Sid/Hogan match, have Papa Shango come down and interfere in the match - that way Hogan wins but Flair doesn't get pinned - then have Warrior run down to the ring and make the save. Sid vs Taker would take the spot of the mid-card main event with Sid winning, maybe by count-out to keep Taker strong (but, there goes the WM streak for Taker). I would have the Macho/Jake match after the Taker/Sid match that way they could do the same thing they did on SNME and have Taker save Macho and Liz from getting hit by Jake when they come back through the curtain thus turning Taker babyface at this event - since he was starting to get a lot of cheers at the time and it made sense for them to turn him. It's hard to go from here to Summer Slam after this card. I like the idea of Flair and Savage in a feud because they worked so well together but I think Flair makes the obvious choice to face Sid for the title at Summer Slam. I also liked the Warrior/Savage match at that event but it also doesn't make sense without the WWF title being in the picture. I could see them saving the Taker/Jake match for Summer Slam but it was during WM8 that Jake gave his notice so I don't see that happening. I think if Sid was still unhappy about being in the WWF, even if they gave him the title, I could see them doing a Saturday Nights Main Event after WM8 and having Sid drop the title to Flair, then you could have Flair vs Savage at Summer Slam for the Title. If they did do a SNME after WM8, I could also see the WWF asking Jake to stay until then to put over Taker, Jake may have done that since he was close to Taker at the time. If that was the case you would probably still get Taker vs. Kamala at Summer Slam. Warrior would probably work a program at Summer Slam with Papa Shango. I guess my new cards for WM8 and SSL92 would look like this:
WrestleMania 8: 1. HBK vs Tito (if they still ended up firing Marty) 2. Davey Boy vs Berzerker (was supposed to happen but didn't do to time) 3. Piper vs Hitman (IC Title Match) 4. Bossman/Virgil/Hacksaw/Sarge vs Mountie/Repo/Nasty Boys 5. Sid vs. Undertaker (WWF World Title Match) 6. Macho Man vs. Jake 7. Tatanka vs. Martel 8. Natural Disasters vs. Money Inc. (WWF Tag Team Title Match) 9. Owen Hart vs Skinner 10.Hogan vs. Flair (Hogan's "Retirement" Match)
SummerSlam 1992: 1. LOD vs. Money Inc. 2. Virgil vs. Nailz 3. HBK vs. Martel (No Hitting in the Face Match) 4. Natural Disasters vs. Beverly Brothers (WWF Tag Team Title Match) 5. Crush vs. Repo Man 6. Tatanka vs. Berzerker (this was a dark match on the show) 7. Ultimate Warrior vs. Papa Shango 8. Macho Man vs. Rick Flair (WWF World Title Match) 9. Undertaker vs. Kamala 10.Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (WWF IC Title Match)
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Post by The Brain on Sept 7, 2020 14:51:29 GMT -5
If Sid walked into the Hoosier Dome as champ, Taker definitely is his logical opponent.Interesting to think about as I dont see Taker winning here(Flair gets that nod later on) so with that the streak would be done only a year after it started.
Hogan/Flair and Savage/Jake as I said in the past deserved that big stage.
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Post by Retrospect on Sept 7, 2020 15:01:54 GMT -5
I can’t imagine anyone but Ric winning this one. To me this is the most perfect Royal Rumble that has ever existed.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 7, 2020 15:38:49 GMT -5
I can’t imagine anyone but Ric winning this one. To me this is the most perfect Royal Rumble that has ever existed.Man you ain't kidding.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 7, 2020 22:23:53 GMT -5
I can’t imagine anyone but Ric winning this one. To me this is the most perfect Royal Rumble that has ever existed.Man you ain't kidding. No disrespect to Flair or anyone who worked in that match, because it would have been outstanding regardless of commentary, but Bobby Heenan was the biggest star in that match. His work was comedic gold, and he sold Flair's win as if humanity had just figured out a way to eradicate hunger.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 7, 2020 22:32:50 GMT -5
No disrespect to Flair or anyone who worked in that match, because it would have been outstanding regardless of commentary, buy Bobby Heenan was the biggest star in that match. His work was comedic gold, and he sold Flair's win as if humanity had just figured out a way to eradicate hunger.1000% agree.Any sports team that hasn't won a title in a long time should play the sound byte of Heenan screaming YES YES YES after they finally win. Absolute gold.
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Post by jking1979 on Sept 8, 2020 0:49:58 GMT -5
I liked how Hulk Hogan pulled Sid Justice out of the ring brother. Ric Flair was a great world champion. I didn't have a problem with him winning the world title that night.
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Post by CM Tusk on Sept 8, 2020 3:26:54 GMT -5
Very interesting to think of Sid/Undertaker happening five years before it actually did. The entire dynamic would have been completely different. Plus that would have made Sid be the first one to beat Taker clean, right? Would further cement him as the next face of the company.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 8, 2020 5:42:10 GMT -5
I liked how Hulk Hogan pulled Sid Justice out of the ring brother. Ric Flair was a great world champion. I didn't have a problem with him winning the world title that night. I was surprised that Sid didn't win. From the previous SummerSlam to that point, it seemed that the WWF was setting him up to be Hogan's heir apparent. I've heard that Sid didn't want to be a heel at that point, and he didn't want to feud with Hogan. I can't blame him for that, but I'm glad that Flair won. With all that Ric achieved in his long career, we would look back on his time in the WWF and wonder why he never got a title run had Vince jumped from Hulk to Sid as his centerpiece.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 8, 2020 9:39:33 GMT -5
Very interesting to think of Sid/Undertaker happening five years before it actually did. The entire dynamic would have been completely different. Plus that would have made Sid be the first one to beat Taker clean, right? Would further cement him as the next face of the company. No, I believe Tito Santana beat him in Spain on one of the World Tours in the spring of 1991. And the Ultimate Warrior beat him in casket and body bag matches during the summer of 1991.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 8, 2020 11:16:21 GMT -5
whoa....another belter and its a scenario I just cant imagine. I've rebooked WM to give us Flair vs Hogan & an all round better card but my entire thesis for a better 1992 is based on Flair winning the RR...
Sid winning is something I genuinely cant picture for now because Ive gave it no thought in the past. But f*ck me Im gonna now!! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 21:29:30 GMT -5
i prsoanlly woulda loved it. goin in, he was who i wanted to win it. after piper won the IC belt earlier that night, i wanted piper to win it to win both belts. but sid winning woulda shook things up a bit. as others have said, coulda been sid/taker for belt, hulk/flair, jake/savage at mania then. or kept it same but hulk/sid has belt on the line insteaf of flair savage. BUT i do LOVE the way it went down with flair winning.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 8, 2020 23:25:02 GMT -5
whoa....another belter and its a scenario I just cant imagine. I've rebooked WM to give us Flair vs Hogan & an all round better card but my entire thesis for a better 1992 is based on Flair winning the RR... Sid winning is something I genuinely cant picture for now because Ive gave it no thought in the past. But f*ck me Im gonna now!! LOL I don't think Vince ever planned to go with smaller guys like Bret, Shawn, or even Austin. When it became clear that Hulk was feeling the lure of Hollywood, Vince wanted a younger version of Hulk for the 90s. If any of the early-90s guys that he picked to push--Warrior, Sid, or Diesel--decided to completely commit to the WWF, then the entire decade might have looked very different.
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 9, 2020 3:59:02 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replies, I am loving the suggestion of Undertaker vs Sid Justice at WrestleMania. It kind of makes the most sense, the guy who kind of got screwed out of the title at THis Tuesday In Texas going up against the man who would eventually get it. Of course, this probably means that Sid wins and the streak is never a thing. It is pretty amazing to think about as the streak became such a big deal around the time of WrestleMania 18 so you have to wonder if Undertakers future WrestleMania matches would have been seen as that big of a deal if the streak was not a thing.
While at first I was all about keeping Sid vs Hogan, now after reading the insight from you fine folks I think my WrestleMania 8 now looks like this,
Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair in the main event still billed as Hogans potential last match. I could see Flair winning this, thus setting him up to go against Sid Justice. Or, Warrior still returns, helps Hogan win and then it is Warrior feeding with Flair?
Undertaker vs Sid Justice for the WWF title, this would be the co-main event. I am certain Sid would go over here, but would Undertaker be a face?
Randy Savage vs Jake Robberts. Flair vs Savage is one of my favorite matches of all time, but if Sid wins the title, it makes the most sense to stretch out this feud to WrestleMania.
I would probably leave the rest of the card as it is.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 9, 2020 9:07:49 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replies, I am loving the suggestion of Undertaker vs Sid Justice at WrestleMania. It kind of makes the most sense, the guy who kind of got screwed out of the title at THis Tuesday In Texas going up against the man who would eventually get it. Of course, this probably means that Sid wins and the streak is never a thing. It is pretty amazing to think about as the streak became such a big deal around the time of WrestleMania 18 so you have to wonder if Undertakers future WrestleMania matches would have been seen as that big of a deal if the streak was not a thing. While at first I was all about keeping Sid vs Hogan, now after reading the insight from you fine folks I think my WrestleMania 8 now looks like this, Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair in the main event still billed as Hogans potential last match. I could see Flair winning this, thus setting him up to go against Sid Justice. Or, Warrior still returns, helps Hogan win and then it is Warrior feeding with Flair? Undertaker vs Sid Justice for the WWF title, this would be the co-main event. I am certain Sid would go over here, but would Undertaker be a face? Randy Savage vs Jake Robberts. Flair vs Savage is one of my favorite matches of all time, but if Sid wins the title, it makes the most sense to stretch out this feud to WrestleMania. I would probably leave the rest of the card as it is. Yeah, I think if Sid would have won the rumble I don't think it would have been smart to put him up against Hogan for his first title defense, you don't want to have fans compete for who they like more. Having Sid face Taker makes the most sense, I would keep Taker heel until this feud/match was over. They could have kept the streak going, even though they weren't thinking about that at this time. Taker could have won by count-out or dq, this also could have set up a rematch for Summer Slam or another SNME between Mania 8 and Summer Slam 92 where Sid could have won. To me, if you don't have Savage/Flair or Hogan/Sid then you have to do Flair/Hogan here, I think if you bill it as his last match the fans will cheer. If you go back and watch WM8, Hogan received a huge ovation. Have the ending here be the same as what happened at the end of WM8 with Papa Shango interfering and Warrior saving the day.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 9, 2020 9:13:02 GMT -5
whoa....another belter and its a scenario I just cant imagine. I've rebooked WM to give us Flair vs Hogan & an all round better card but my entire thesis for a better 1992 is based on Flair winning the RR... Sid winning is something I genuinely cant picture for now because Ive gave it no thought in the past. But f*ck me Im gonna now!! LOL I don't think Vince ever planned to go with smaller guys like Bret, Shawn, or even Austin. When it became clear that Hulk was feeling the lure of Hollywood, Vince wanted a younger version of Hulk for the 90s. If any of the early-90s guys that he picked to push--Warrior, Sid, or Diesel--decided to completely commit to the WWF, then the entire decade might have looked very different. I really think that Vince wanted Warrior to be his guy for the 90s, at least the first half, but things didn't work out that way; Warrior's title run was so-so, attendance numbers were going down, and Warrior didn't seem to be as business friendly with Vince as Hogan. I think what also helped Vince decide to go with the younger/smaller guys was the bigger guys having to get off steroids, if you go back and look at some of those guys during this time 1992/93, they didn't look as massive as before so guys like Bret, Shawn and Austin didn't look as small by comparison. Plus, they did try to put the belt on bigger guys (Yoko, Diesel, Sid) in the mid 90s and that didn't help draw any better.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 9, 2020 14:30:55 GMT -5
Kayfabe speaking, it still amazes me all these years later how much Sid got shafted at the Rumble. Tosses Hogan out but does he leave? NOOOO!!!! He has to pull on his arm to help eliminate em. How was Hogan still a babyface after this??!!The crowed cheering his elimination still puts a smile on my face though
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 9, 2020 14:39:10 GMT -5
Kayfabe speaking, it still amazes me all these years later how much Sid got shafted at the Rumble. Tosses Hogan out but does he leave? NOOOO!!!! He has to pull on his arm to help eliminate em. How was Hogan still a babyface after this??!!The crowed cheering his elimination still puts a smile on my face though Yeah, how the WWF office thought that Hogan would look good doing that still baffles me. I think the only reason people didn't turn on Hogan was the company did a good job selling that Sid snuck up behind him and eliminated him, kind of in a "cowardly" way. I think they also played up that they were good friends so a good friend wouldn't do that (what Sid did). They really tried to paint Sid as the villain after the Rumble. Then they officially turned Sid on SNME, after that, people seemed to not care and kind of liked that Hogan did what he did.' Plus, had Hogan not helped eliminate Sid, your guy Flair wouldn't have been champion...
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