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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 12:46:38 GMT -5
Agreed, I'd put that Beefcake on a Hogan era shelf. Ultimate Maniacs and Papa Shango probably would be better suited on a Hogan era shelf, too. Well, I think the era is more important than what era the wrestler was on top. For example, if you have a 2002 "Hulk Still Rules" figure would you not have him in the Ruthless Aggression set? Know what I mean? That comparison doesn't really work because 2002 Hogan would have been around in what was established as the Ruthless Aggression era. Shango, Ultimate Maniacs and Mega Maniacs were all around before the New Generation was a phrase used on WWF television or acknowledged as their new marketing push. It's also not the New Generation since they don't have the new logo and haven't started pushing that branding either. That starts at Mania X. It's not like they were using the atittude era branding in 97 either, but it very clearly is part of the attitude era. The product in 1997 more closely resembled the product in 1998-1999 than the product in 1992 resembled the product in 1994-1995. Also I'm almost certain the WWF Attitude commercials (the "try lacing my boots" ones) started towards the end of 1997. Transitional periods happen, it doesn't really mean they should be grouped in with whatever the next clearly defined era is. Like the period after the Monday Night War ended through the Draft the next year falls between Attitude and Ruthless Aggression, so which is it? It's not clearly one or the other. The "do we still have Hulk or is it time to move on" period of 92-93 is the same thing. They're just kind of existing and the next big idea hasn't really been hammered home yet. |
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Post by zen411 on Sept 12, 2020 14:37:28 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 8 through 93 was a weird transition period. Not what I consider golden era but not new generation. Yokozuna and heel Doink also fit into this mix. Neon cowboy savage, giant gonzalez, Lawler, shango, it was a weird time for wwf.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 12, 2020 18:17:54 GMT -5
I have these as my transitional periods
Summerslam 1991-Nov 1992: Hulkamania to New Generation Era
Royal Rumble 1997-Wrestlemania XIV: New Generation Era to Attitude Era
Wrestlemania X7-Jan 2002: Attitude to Ruthless Aggression Era
No Mercy 2007-Wrestlemania 25: Ruthless Aggression to PG Era
Wrestlemania XXX-Wrestlemania 32: PG Era to Roman Empire
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 13, 2020 15:38:45 GMT -5
I used to struggle with putting figures in the correct ‘era’ then just thought, put them in the order of the year the figure/attire is from. The Era’s or any cross overs then sort themselves out 👍🏻
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Post by shanieomaniac on Sept 15, 2020 2:35:23 GMT -5
Well, I think the era is more important than what era the wrestler was on top. For example, if you have a 2002 "Hulk Still Rules" figure would you not have him in the Ruthless Aggression set? Know what I mean? That comparison doesn't really work because 2002 Hogan would have been around in what was established as the Ruthless Aggression era. Shango, Ultimate Maniacs and Mega Maniacs were all around before the New Generation was a phrase used on WWF television or acknowledged as their new marketing push. It's not like they were using the atittude era branding in 97 either, but it very clearly is part of the attitude era. The product in 1997 more closely resembled the product in 1998-1999 than the product in 1992 resembled the product in 1994-1995. Also I'm almost certain the WWF Attitude commercials (the "try lacing my boots" ones) started towards the end of 1997. Transitional periods happen, it doesn't really mean they should be grouped in with whatever the next clearly defined era is. Like the period after the Monday Night War ended through the Draft the next year falls between Attitude and Ruthless Aggression, so which is it? It's not clearly one or the other. The "do we still have Hulk or is it time to move on" period of 92-93 is the same thing. They're just kind of existing and the next big idea hasn't really been hammered home yet.
Actually, there is a precedent to this regarding birth generations.
"Cuspers" as they are called are people who were born between generations and, while somewhat having traits of both, don't actually fit into either. Two well known "Cusp" generations are Xennials and Zennials (which are unfortunately both pronounced the same). Speaking as a Xennial, I can understand the frustration between trying to date things that go between eras. The best I can hope for is treat it on a case by case basis, or, barring that, give the cuspers their own section if you can.
Edit: Maybe we should think about renaming the era system. Give the cuspers their own names. I know you could probably call the space between AE and RA the "Invasion" era, but I'm less sure about between 92-93 as that was way before my time.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 15, 2020 6:11:12 GMT -5
New Generation is 100% 1994. That's when the new logo came out & when Vince starting screaming about it at the top of his voice. 1993 is a transition year....like 1997 from NG to Attitude.
NOD are Attitude Era.
Retrofest Savage is NG.
Kamala, Ultimate Madness, Mega Maniacs are Hulkamania era.
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Post by zen411 on Sept 15, 2020 8:46:37 GMT -5
I suggest that 92-93 be named the ICOPRO Era.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 11:07:59 GMT -5
I suggest that 92-93 be named the ICOPRO Era.  YEAH. YOU GOTTA WANT IT. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 16, 2020 6:20:31 GMT -5
I'm working on my New Generation collection and I'm stuck on whether or not some guys belong. Any input is appreciated. Kamala Papa Shango Ultimate Maniacs Warrior and Savage Retrofest Savage NOD Rock/Faarooq/Dlo Brown Mega Maniacs Brutus Beefcake Technically, none are New Gen. Retrofest Savage is closest but that’s still from mid 93 and New Generation really didn’t become a thing til a year later. Completely agree with this, none of them are even close to new gen in my view apart from Retro macho and even that is before. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 7:09:23 GMT -5
I know a lot of people place The New Gen as when Bret one the belt, to the Attitude Era. If we're going by that logic, Kamala, Papa and Beefcake would be on the very very very beginning of it. NOD would be out. Completely blanking on when that Savage's gear is from.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 16, 2020 8:50:15 GMT -5
These are how I have my WWF Era's:
1985-1988 (Rock N Wrestling Era / HulkaMania Era)
1989-1992 (HulkaMania Era / Transition Period Era)
1993-1996 (New Generation Era)
1997-2001 (Attitude Era)
The first era is a mix of Rock N Wrestling and Hulk-a-Mania, Hulk was always the focus but in the early days Vince was really bringing in the celebrities as well (Mr. T, Cindy Lauper, Muhammad Ali). For the second era it is also kind of a mix between the tail end of the Hulk-a-Mania era and the transitional period of 1990-1992 when other guys were getting the top spot (Warrior, Taker, Flair, Savage, Bret) because Hogan wasn't around as much. The new generation officially kick off in 1994 (I believe this was the first time they really used that phrase) but I start it in 1993 because they had all of the same characters (Bret, HBK, Taker, Razor, Doink, Yoko, Luger, etc) and you could see they were shooting for younger talent. The attitude era officially kicked off for me in 1997 when they started to drop a lot of the gimmicky characters and started introducing darker/edgier characters, I also start it in 1997 because this was the official rise of Stonecold who I put as the face of the era.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 16, 2020 9:07:14 GMT -5
I know a lot of people place The New Gen as when Bret one the belt, to the Attitude Era. If we're going by that logic, Kamala, Papa and Beefcake would be on the very very very beginning of it. NOD would be out. Completely blanking on when that Savage's gear is from. That was the logic I was using. In 1992, the times were a changin. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Sept 16, 2020 9:34:44 GMT -5
I have Kamala in the Golden Age. That’s when he debuted and his look never changed.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 16, 2020 11:29:50 GMT -5
I know a lot of people place The New Gen as when Bret one the belt, to the Attitude Era. If we're going by that logic, Kamala, Papa and Beefcake would be on the very very very beginning of it. NOD would be out. Completely blanking on when that Savage's gear is from. Retrofest Savage was from August on 1993. Ultimate Maniacs Savage would be from the fall of 1992. |
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Post by LA Times on Sept 16, 2020 11:38:52 GMT -5
I know a lot of people place The New Gen as when Bret one the belt, to the Attitude Era. If we're going by that logic, Kamala, Papa and Beefcake would be on the very very very beginning of it. NOD would be out. Completely blanking on when that Savage's gear is from. Retrofest Savage was from August on 1993. Ultimate Maniacs Savage would be from the fall of 1992. Savage wore his Retrofest USA gear at the Yokozuna Body Slam Challenge on Jul 4 1993 and maybe before then, when he introduced the Macho Midget during a match against Doink on Raw. |
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 16, 2020 13:23:33 GMT -5
Retrofest Savage was from August on 1993. Ultimate Maniacs Savage would be from the fall of 1992. Savage wore his Retrofest USA gear at the Yokozuna Body Slam Challenge on Jul 4 1993 and maybe before then, when he introduced the Macho Midget during a match against Doink on Raw. His shirt and boots that he wore at the body slam challenge are different from the figure. I believe he introduced the Macho Midget at the August Raw vs Doink. |
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Post by rastlinfigures on Sept 16, 2020 13:52:19 GMT -5
I would say only Shango.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Sept 18, 2020 6:07:56 GMT -5
On a related topic to this, considering the idea of transition eras, is there any one era that had a BOOM Over and Done date?
I've heard people refer to WMX7 as the final PPV of the Attitude Era, and that the Attitude Era came to a crashing, screeching halt the moment Stone Cold and Vince stood in the ring shaking hands. But I've never heard of any other one singular date or moment as being referred to as a cut and dry marker of when an era ended or began. People have mentioned certain PPVs in this thread, but nobody seems to agree on them.
Technically, I suppose you could label the moment down to the minute as to when the PG era began. It's the moment the label changed for the first time. Other than that, no idea. I think it'd be an interesting topic to discuss at some point elsewhere.
Just a thought.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 18, 2020 6:19:44 GMT -5
On a related topic to this, considering the idea of transition eras, is there any one era that had a BOOM Over and Done date? I've heard people refer to WMX7 as the final PPV of the Attitude Era, and that the Attitude Era came to a crashing, screeching halt the moment Stone Cold and Vince stood in the ring shaking hands. But I've never heard of any other one singular date or moment as being referred to as a cut and dry marker of when an era ended or began. People have mentioned certain PPVs in this thread, but nobody seems to agree on them. Technically, I suppose you could label the moment down to the minute as to when the PG era began. It's the moment the label changed for the first time. Other than that, no idea. I think it'd be an interesting topic to discuss at some point elsewhere. Just a thought. WMX7 was definitely the end of the attitude era due to 3 factors 1) WWF had just purchased WCW 2) it was the rock's last day as a full-time wrestler 3) stone cold turned heel I have summerslam 1991 as the end of the Hulkamania era with hogan leaving to make movies and warrior getting fired after the show. |
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Post by albie333 on Sept 18, 2020 6:38:50 GMT -5
I'm working on my New Generation collection and I'm stuck on whether or not some guys belong. Any input is appreciated. Kamala Papa Shango Ultimate Maniacs Warrior and Savage Retrofest Savage NOD Rock/Faarooq/Dlo Brown Mega Maniacs Brutus Beefcake I would distinguish two parts to the new generation era. 92 through 94 (what we might call the Bret Hart era) and 95-97 (what we might call the Shawn Michaels era). Kamala (92-94) Shango (92-94) Retrofest Savage (92-94) NOD Rock/Farooq (95-97) D’Lo (not a part of these eras) Ultimate Maniacs (I would display different versions of these guys) Mega Powers Beefcake (wouldn’t display this either) |
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