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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 10:45:17 GMT -5
"I agree with the assessment that wrestling companies should make the wrestlers the stars, not the brand. So what can AEW do to raise the profile of their top stars to make them megastars the likes of Triple H and The Undertaker (I’m disqualifying Austin and the Rock because their heyday was on another level.). But AEW has TNT as their platform, they have billionaire backing with connections to the mainstream sports world, they pretty much have all the tools that Turner’s WCW did, what do they need to do to raise the profile of the likes of Jon Moxley, Kenny Omega and Cody?"
How would you guys answer this?
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Post by K5 on Sept 13, 2020 11:04:56 GMT -5
I think Cody being featured on that show as a host is a good move, and whatever they can do to help make them mainstream and cross over would benefit.
and other than that, just continuing to put out the best possible product they can that is both compelling and modernized. set out the best bait for the biggest bite, if ya wheel
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 14, 2020 9:33:10 GMT -5
It's going to come down to how big of a deal TNT thinks AEW is. The game show is a nifty little push and the advertising during the NBA playoffs have helped, but advertising outside of the TNT family of channels is huge.
Also, it comes down to their overall product as well. Currently, they have too many WwE-ish angles and gimmicks. They need to set themselves apart as a true wrestling show that's different than the sh*t driving people away from the other promotion.
I'd say Cody, Moxley, and Jericho are their biggest draws. The next wave is Omega, Hangman, and Darby. We'll have to give it a while though, AEW's only a year old.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 9:39:53 GMT -5
Cody being on that game show is huge for one part of the answer.
I think a big part is the way you present them in situations like that. Emphasizing that it's Cody Rhodes and you can catch him on aew on Wednesdays rather than saying "one of the stars of aew on Wednesday, Cody Rhodes". Small difference but I think it matters. Showcases Cody over the company rather than the other way around.
Double edged sword overall though. Requires you to always be able to make stars of that level which isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 9:52:56 GMT -5
It's going to come down to how big of a deal TNT thinks AEW is. The game show is a nifty little push and the advertising during the NBA playoffs have helped, but advertising outside of the TNT family of channels is huge. Also, it comes down to their overall product as well. Currently, they have too many WwE-ish angles and gimmicks. They need to set themselves apart as a true wrestling show that's different than the sh*t driving people away from the other promotion. I'd say Cody, Moxley, and Jericho are their biggest draws. The next wave is Omega, Hangman, and Darby. We'll have to give it a while though, AEW's only a year old. I agree that they have to set themselves apart from wwe as much as possible. Also make your storylines as logical as possible. Let’s face it, wrestling will never be 💯 logical which is ok. Keep allowing your wrestlers to cut their own promos. I’m telling you, Rock and Austin would have not gotten as over in today’s wwe over scripted environment.
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Post by stc13 on Sept 14, 2020 18:12:28 GMT -5
This won't be the popular answer, but I don't know that they can. At least not the way it's phrased in the question. Stars make stars. And you just don't have the star power, in wrestling or pop culture as a whole, to give somebody the rub needed to go to that next tier imo.
There are definitely some ways the stars can align to create that Big Bang moment ala the Rock and Wrestling era. But I think that's going to be a long term aspiration, rather than an "A leads to B leads to C" path given how much wrestling has faded from pop culture and the overall lack of star power in the industry.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Sept 15, 2020 8:27:35 GMT -5
It most likely will never happen for any of them. You need a huge fan base to make that happen. 700,000 people watching every wed night isn't enough to make anyone a mega star. Those kind of numbers won't get anyone on the cover of a non-wrestling magazine, won't get them on a talk show, won't get them in demand for whatever. It's not a knock against anyone but there isn't anyone with the larger than life personality, no matter how hard Jericho is trying, (ok, that was a knock), to get people outside the now small bubble of wrestling fans to get anyone to care.
The era of the "megastar" is long gone and the "glory" days of tv wrestling went away with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 9:00:40 GMT -5
It most likely will never happen for any of them. You need a huge fan base to make that happen. 700,000 people watching every wed night isn't enough to make anyone a mega star. Those kind of numbers won't get anyone on the cover of a non-wrestling magazine, won't get them on a talk show, won't get them in demand for whatever. It's not a knock against anyone but there isn't anyone with the larger than life personality, no matter how hard Jericho is trying, (ok, that was a knock), to get people outside the now small bubble of wrestling fans to get anyone to care. The era of the "megastar" is long gone and the "glory" days of tv wrestling went away with it. They got over a million viewers last week...
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Post by Road Warrior Shark on Sept 15, 2020 10:06:51 GMT -5
They got over a million viewers last week... Do that every week for a year, then DOUBLE it in another 2 years and then MAYBE you get HALF the star power The OP question is looking for. As others have said, way to early to be even thinking like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 10:56:30 GMT -5
They got over a million viewers last week... Do that every week for a year, then DOUBLE it in another 2 years and then MAYBE you get HALF the star power The OP question is looking for. As others have said, way to early to be even thinking like that. Ok, but saying they only get 700,000 every week is incorrect.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Sept 15, 2020 13:27:36 GMT -5
It most likely will never happen for any of them. You need a huge fan base to make that happen. 700,000 people watching every wed night isn't enough to make anyone a mega star. Those kind of numbers won't get anyone on the cover of a non-wrestling magazine, won't get them on a talk show, won't get them in demand for whatever. It's not a knock against anyone but there isn't anyone with the larger than life personality, no matter how hard Jericho is trying, (ok, that was a knock), to get people outside the now small bubble of wrestling fans to get anyone to care. The era of the "megastar" is long gone and the "glory" days of tv wrestling went away with it. They got over a million viewers last week... Let me know when they get a 4.0 rating and maybe they might be able to do something. A million people watching isn't going to make anyone there a "mega star". Not saying it to be mean, I just don't see it ever happening again in any wrestling company.
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Post by Road Warrior Shark on Sept 15, 2020 13:40:52 GMT -5
Ok, but saying they only get 700,000 every week is incorrect. It most likely will never happen for any of them. You need a huge fan base to make that happen. 700,000 people watching every wed night isn't enough to make anyone a mega star. Those kind of numbers won't get anyone on the cover of a non-wrestling magazine, won't get them on a talk show, won't get them in demand for whatever. It's not a knock against anyone but there isn't anyone with the larger than life personality, no matter how hard Jericho is trying, (ok, that was a knock), to get people outside the now small bubble of wrestling fans to get anyone to care. The era of the "megastar" is long gone and the "glory" days of tv wrestling went away with it. No, it is correct. That's been around about the average viewership. The post clearly wasn't talking about last week specifically, but in general.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 13:48:02 GMT -5
I guess you guys are friends?
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 15, 2020 13:48:52 GMT -5
Also, add over a million weekly DVR viewers too. Best case, AEW currently has 2 million watching. Good numbers, but again, it's too soon to say.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 14:09:16 GMT -5
Minus dvr, the last time they did less than 700 grand was 6/24.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Sept 15, 2020 15:09:28 GMT -5
Minus dvr, the last time they did less than 700 grand was 6/24. Not even with: 817,000 893,000 865,000 906,000 766,000 932,000 819,000 685,000 692,000 683,000 731,000 693,000 732,000 654,000 701,000 827,000 730,000 677,000 772,000 633,000 748,000 715,000 788,000 845,000 773,000 901,000 792,000 755,000 813,000 928,000 1,016,000 viewers will anyone, that wasn't with Vince first, in AEW will EVER be a mega star. And they sure as hell won't ever come to the "star" power of an Undertaker or HHH.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 16:10:28 GMT -5
Who knows? I never thought Steve Austin and Jean Paul Lavesque from wcw would ever be mega stars.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 17:18:48 GMT -5
Who knows? I never thought Steve Austin and Jean Paul Lavesque from wcw would ever be mega stars. Hell, why stop there. Die Rocky Die was a very real thing. That was at the time very much "go away" heat.
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Post by K5 on Sept 15, 2020 17:48:48 GMT -5
it's easy to say something just couldn't happen when it's not in the current forecast. is it likely? no. but if you were watching wwf in 1995 you'd think that the business would NEVER return to the heights it did in the 80s. lo and behold, a few years later we'd have a huge boom and the most people watching wrestling in the history of it in terms of specific broadcasts.
having the rick and morty crossover was a good move. the right ufc or celebrities could fit, but not tyson etc.
i believe that wrestling has never really failed when there is a strong product in terms of attracting attention. so as long as aew improves, i see their viewership improving as well. who knows what that ceiling may be.
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Post by Road Warrior Shark on Sept 15, 2020 18:37:01 GMT -5
I guess you guys are friends? We are now
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