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Post by jking1979 on Sept 17, 2020 22:01:42 GMT -5
Ahmed Johnson was injury prone and Vince McMahon prefers his top guys to be in great shape. That's why Hulk Hogan was the champion for years brother.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 18, 2020 2:37:01 GMT -5
That was literally one of the reasons I made this thread. Just watched the Rumble that year and he s*** all over him. Which stuck out for JR like you said. I knew then and there they didn;t want him in the company any more. Do you remember after he got eliminated, Kama was entering and he pushed Johnston as they walked past on the ramp? I wonder if he had heat with the other wrestlers too. Yep thought that too and just seemed out of place and Johnson just looked at him and walked off like a puss. Definitely wasn't scripted. Also thought it was weird him going after Phineas for eliminating him as no-one else in the match attacked their eliminator like that and he could barely walk when trying to attack Phineas. So Kama pushing him and then walking to the ring - Johnson had to shrug it off because there was no way he could get revenge in the state he was in. All in all it made Johnson look pathetic. |
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 18, 2020 9:22:24 GMT -5
Ahmed came in to WWF in a main event spot. He had a few dark matches and IIRC just one Raw appearance before the Survivor Series and he was in the main event team for the PPV. Not the final match but the main team match and I'm sure his quick push angered a lot of guys. As for JR, he hired Mark Henry who was even worse than Ahmed IMO. Mark just happened to be fine with every crappy angle Vince gave him so Mark is beloved backstage. I wonder who hired Ahmed. I guess since he wasn't known for playing a sport before wrestling then it couldn't have been JR. I wonder who saw him and thought he was main event potential.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 18, 2020 10:58:04 GMT -5
Do you remember after he got eliminated, Kama was entering and he pushed Johnston as they walked past on the ramp? I wonder if he had heat with the other wrestlers too. Yep thought that too and just seemed out of place and Johnson just looked at him and walked off like a puss. Definitely wasn't scripted. Also thought it was weird him going after Phineas for eliminating him as no-one else in the match attacked their eliminator like that and he could barely walk when trying to attack Phineas. So Kama pushing him and then walking to the ring - Johnson had to shrug it off because there was no way he could get revenge in the state he was in. All in all it made Johnson look pathetic. Good God yeah...I had forgotten that...he looked a like a complete candyass after that....Oh man. cringe!!!!! |
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Post by JimRiga on Sept 19, 2020 4:33:25 GMT -5
My hazy recollection of Ahmed’s issue with Austin attacking him led to a match, but before Austin could enter Kane came out instead and smashed the crap out of Ahmed. So Ahmed was pissed with Austin interfering and challenged him to a match, the same happens with Kane and.......boom!
Nothing happens. Not a peep from big tough Ahmed Johnson. I always thought that made him look pretty weak and pathetic. I don’t remember any of that Royal Rumble stuff. I was watching in the middle of the night, so I may have been sleepy!
But I was a fan of Ahmed’s potential and I really want an elite of him!! Ah, the fantasy matches I could book with him winning the U.S title and successfully defending against guys like DDP, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts, Rusev, Scott Hall, Ezekiel Jackson, Jim Duggan, Kamala, Mankind, Otis, The Warlord and Bam Bam Bigelow.
Without any title involvement, I’d book him in evenly matched feuds with the likes of Batista, Vladimir Kozlov, Bobby Lashley, Ken Shamrock, Lord Tensai, Ryback, Samoa Joe, Yokozuna, Sid, Lex Luger, Randy Orton and Umaga.
I’d also have him challenge for the world title and be fed to champions like Brock Lesnar, Triple H, Roman Reigns, The Rock, Austin, Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Goldberg, Cena, HBK, The Fiend, Andre the Giant and The Undertaker.
That should get some good use out of him.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 19, 2020 5:15:35 GMT -5
I just watched the Raw after the 98 RR, and he was well received by the crowd in Fresno, CA. The RR was in San Diego I believe - and they didn't give a s*** when he came out, so I don't get it.
Having said that this Raw crowd were also getting behind the D.O.A early on in the show too, so they seemed easy to please. But Johnson got a massive pop and was looking better than the night before. His intensity got the crowd going.
This was the night Tyson was on the show too so maybe they were extra pumped up.
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Post by koreygunz on Sept 19, 2020 16:45:06 GMT -5
I was a fan of Ahmed in 1996 and he was being pushed to the moon.
And why does Ron Simmons get a pass for being so unprofessional that he legit injured a guy ON PURPOSE and might have essentially cost him his career. It NEVER gets talked about when people discuss Simmons, and people always crap on Ahmed because he couldn't stay healthy like the initial injury in 96 was his fault.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 19, 2020 17:38:48 GMT -5
I was a fan of Ahmed in 1996 and he was being pushed to the moon. And why does Ron Simmons get a pass for being so unprofessional that he legit injured a guy ON PURPOSE and might have essentially cost him his career. It NEVER gets talked about when people discuss Simmons, and people always crap on Ahmed because he couldn't stay healthy like the initial injury in 96 was his fault. When did this happen exactly? 1996 or 1997? Also - I find it interesting that they ran a story back in September 1997 when Faarooq hits a spinebuster and it caused internal bleeding of Shamrock *he was coughing up blood). Then in December 1997 they bring it up again as a vicious attack Shamrock suffered a couple of months before. They made out that Faarooq caused major damage, but it didn't seem to be taken as a lingering issue nor linking it to how Simmons caused internal bleeding to Ahmed Johnson before that. So makes me wonder if it was supposed to be a legit angle or it was just an accident. They could have made more out of it like Faarooq was a street-tough, hard-nosed bastard who liked to injure his opponents, but they just settled on street-tough. Their ongoing story called for The Rock to be made as the star of the NOD and Faarooq was just the leader getting pushed out, so there was no reason to to give him something more substantial. I could go on about missed opportunities that I notice in my watching of WWF Raw in 1997 but they stayed the course and didn't go with the flow as much. A shame but still kicked ass. |
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 22, 2020 6:19:37 GMT -5
Wait Simmons injured him on purpose? I had never heard that?
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Post by koreygunz on Sept 23, 2020 7:51:49 GMT -5
Wait Simmons injured him on purpose? I had never heard that? I'm pretty sure both Ahmed and Simmons have confirmed this in shoot interviews. |
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 23, 2020 9:42:15 GMT -5
Wait Simmons injured him on purpose? I had never heard that? I'm pretty sure both Ahmed and Simmons have confirmed this in shoot interviews. whoa....WTF was that about? Had they got heat? |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Sept 23, 2020 19:59:30 GMT -5
From 85-2000 when I watched I was committed to only one promotion at a time. I was wwf from 85-93. Wcw from 93-98. Wwf from 98-00
The only wrestler ever which made me doubt my choice was Ahmed Johnson.
Hogan was always my guy,..but Ahmed looked like he would destroy anyone. It actually troubled me for a little while
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 24, 2020 7:34:14 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure both Ahmed and Simmons have confirmed this in shoot interviews. whoa....WTF was that about? Had they got heat? There is a lot of confusion with this one and part of the blame goes to Mark Henry. My understanding is this: - Ahmed Johnsons injury when Ron debuts was storyline and was a way to write Ahmed off tv. - At Wrestlemania 13 Ahmed legit injures Ron. I believe the spot involves Ron on the second rope with his back to the ring and Johnson pushes him to the outside. Ron I think hits the steps. - At a house show Ron shoots on Ahmed for the Mania 13 thing. Mark Henry said on the Stone Cold podcast that Ahmed injured Ron and he missed 9 months. When he came back Teddy Long warned him (Mark Henry) that Ron had all intentions of shooting on Ahmed. The problem with that story is Ron only missed two months or so after the Mania 13 match. He did have some tag matches that could have been away around the injury but he also had singles matches during this time. So maybe Henry had the length incorrect but the rest was true. But Ron did shoot on Ahmed. I guess at least it wasn't televised like The Public Enemy. |
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Post by PJ on Sept 24, 2020 7:49:11 GMT -5
Odd I thought I had posted in here my thoughts on Ahmed. I never found the appeal to him. He had size, but to me that was all he had. And didn’t the Road Warriors accuse him of stealing a pair of their shoulder pads when he tagged with them once?
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 24, 2020 11:20:20 GMT -5
Interesting....
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Post by koreygunz on Sept 24, 2020 12:19:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure both Ahmed and Simmons have confirmed this in shoot interviews. whoa....WTF was that about? Had they got heat? I could swear that Simmons said when he kicked Ahmed in the kidney in 1996, he kicked him legit and was trying to hurt him. Or maybe it was during a backstage attack with a 2x4 (maybe Rumble 97?) Either way, I forget what the reason was behind it but Ron wanted to hurt him. I need to try to find those interviews |
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