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Post by MKSavage on Sept 19, 2020 19:33:26 GMT -5
I thought Bret said he was going to work with Jake at Summer Slam 1992 for the IC title, not the World Title. I think after Jake quit, plans were changed and it was between Shawn and Davey Boy as to who his opponent would be at Summer Slam 1992. I remember Bret saying that they went with Davey Boy because it was in the UK. There was talk of Summer Slam being in Washington DC, had it happened their they would have went with HBK.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 19, 2020 19:55:33 GMT -5
Warrior vs Bret wouldve made sense as the World Title match at the Rumble if he stayed.Kayfabe wise Warrior can say how he's owed a rematch stemming from the SSlam finish.
Now yeah I highly doubt Warrior taps out to em so we would probably get either a roll up or a DQ finish via interference.
As far as Razor goes he'd be in the Rumble match itself.Its crazy to think he was never in one.
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Post by Warriah' on Sept 20, 2020 4:27:42 GMT -5
Warrior vs Bret wouldve made sense as the World Title match at the Rumble if he stayed.Kayfabe wise Warrior can say how he's owed a rematch stemming from the SSlam finish. Now yeah I highly doubt Warrior taps out to em so we would probably get either a roll up or a DQ finish via interference. As far as Razor goes he'd be in the Rumble match itself.Its crazy to think he was never in one. Funnier still is Fake Razor was in the company all of 5 minutes and he got a spot in the 97 Rumble lmao
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 20, 2020 7:41:02 GMT -5
Have we ever heard anyone other than Bret and/or Bret's friends say the plan was for him to go over the big 3? Sorry but I have a really hard time thinking Vince was going to let Bret beat Flair, Savage, Warrior and Hogan within 6/8 months of each other especially knowing Savage & Hogan, unlike Flair & Warrior werent "gone" for good. And we really gotta stop with fans were tired of Hogan by the 90s. He wasnt 87 white hot but he was still getting reactions that 98% of the roster would have KILLED to get. Absolutely man. Hogan was the most popular guy in the 1992 Rumble....yes as you say he wasn't quite as popular? but he was still mega popular. I remember watching the RR92 a few years back with great interest after hearing on here about all the negative reactions Hogan got during it......as I ay he was the most popular guy in it.
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 20, 2020 9:11:18 GMT -5
Have we ever heard anyone other than Bret and/or Bret's friends say the plan was for him to go over the big 3? Sorry but I have a really hard time thinking Vince was going to let Bret beat Flair, Savage, Warrior and Hogan within 6/8 months of each other especially knowing Savage & Hogan, unlike Flair & Warrior werent "gone" for good. And we really gotta stop with fans were tired of Hogan by the 90s. He wasnt 87 white hot but he was still getting reactions that 98% of the roster would have KILLED to get. Absolutely man. Hogan was the most popular guy in the 1992 Rumble....yes as you say he wasn't quite as popular? but he was still mega popular. I remember watching the RR92 a few years back with great interest after hearing on here about all the negative reactions Hogan got during it......as I ay he was the most popular guy in it. Plus his reaction at WrestleMania VIII was massive, I do not think anyone else on that PPV got the reaction he did. To this day, WrestleMania VIII is my favorite Hulk Hogan entrance. There is this talk about how people were sick of him, but I never once thought that was true and I say that as someone who was not a massive Hogan fan as a kid. I liked him, but he was not one of my favorites.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 20, 2020 16:21:24 GMT -5
Have we ever heard anyone other than Bret and/or Bret's friends say the plan was for him to go over the big 3? Sorry but I have a really hard time thinking Vince was going to let Bret beat Flair, Savage, Warrior and Hogan within 6/8 months of each other especially knowing Savage & Hogan, unlike Flair & Warrior werent "gone" for good. And we really gotta stop with fans were tired of Hogan by the 90s. He wasnt 87 white hot but he was still getting reactions that 98% of the roster would have KILLED to get. Absolutely man. Hogan was the most popular guy in the 1992 Rumble....yes as you say he wasn't quite as popular? but he was still mega popular. I remember watching the RR92 a few years back with great interest after hearing on here about all the negative reactions Hogan got during it......as I ay he was the most popular guy in it. True, Hogan was still over. The only negative reaction he got that night was after he helped Flair eliminate Sid from the rumble and he and Sid were nose to nose in the ring, you can hear the fans thoroughly behind Sid, even chanting his name. Also, when Sid gives Hogan the double thumbs down when Hogan was calling to the crowd (putting his hand to his ear toward the crowd) the crowd really boos Hogan, you can even see Hogan look to the crowd in confusion. It really depends on the tape you are watching, I had the original taping of the PPV when it happened and you can really hear the boo-birds toward Hogan. However, the WWF made changes to the crowds reaction to the tape that they released on coliseum home video. I also believe the crowd reaction on the anthology DVDs they released this century was the changed reaction not the original reaction that booed Hogan. Plus, for whatever reason, Sid always got a great reaction from the NY crowd, he was pretty popular there. Even years later, when he was the heel (mostly) against HBK at Survivor Series 96, he was the overwhelming favorite by the crowd. Also, if you go back to the Survivor Series 91 match with Undertaker, you can hear more boos than normal for Hogan. I would still say the crowd was mostly behind Hogan but you can hear some of the boos. Just a rough estimate, I would say the crowd was about 80% behind Hogan and 20% for Taker. Absolutely man. Hogan was the most popular guy in the 1992 Rumble....yes as you say he wasn't quite as popular? but he was still mega popular. I remember watching the RR92 a few years back with great interest after hearing on here about all the negative reactions Hogan got during it......as I ay he was the most popular guy in it. Plus his reaction at WrestleMania VIII was massive, I do not think anyone else on that PPV got the reaction he did. To this day, WrestleMania VIII is my favorite Hulk Hogan entrance. There is this talk about how people were sick of him, but I never once thought that was true and I say that as someone who was not a massive Hogan fan as a kid. I liked him, but he was not one of my favorites. You are correct that Hogan got a great response at WM8, other than the Warrior returning, I don't think anyone came close to that reaction. However, they had already announced that this may very well be Hogan's retirement match so, that may have played a part in the crowd reaction. And, they had already done the turn on Sid at the previous SNME, so I think the fans sort of reverted back to Hogan because of Sid's actions afterward. He definitely wasn't as popular as he was a year before.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Sept 20, 2020 19:47:50 GMT -5
Bret def warrior....cool Bret def Savage....meh Bret def Hogan....NO
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 20, 2020 23:36:48 GMT -5
The thing with Hogan at Rumble 92 was that the crowd cheered his elimination during the live feed and boos were heard when he pulled Sid out. They had Monsoon rerecord commentary lines that are not on the live feed. It's out there.
As for Bret, the thing is he got over on his own. I love Bret but his promos weren't great at this time so really it was his ring work that did the job along with his look.
I could see Savage doing the job but not the other two. And I think if he went through them all the crowd would still love Bret Hart.
I will say that I love Bret but it always felt like he was a transitional champion. The company never seemed to really back him except for 94 until Vince had Diesel.
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Post by whydontyoutellme on Sept 21, 2020 10:12:25 GMT -5
I think that it would have helped him in the short term, but by 97 Bret was where he needed to be even with how the title change played out.
That said, if you could have Bret beat Warrior, then Hogan, and then successfully defend the title against Savage - you've got a very well built champion ready to firmly lead WWF's new generation. You'd hope that having Bret firmly entrenched would mean that Diesel and Yokozuna wouldn't need to be champions for nearly two years in the mid 90s.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 21, 2020 14:34:18 GMT -5
The thing with Hogan at Rumble 92 was that the crowd cheered his elimination during the live feed and boos were heard when he pulled Sid out. They had Monsoon rerecord commentary lines that are not on the live feed. It's out there. As for Bret, the thing is he got over on his own. I love Bret but his promos weren't great at this time so really it was his ring work that did the job along with his look. I could see Savage doing the job but not the other two. And I think if he went through them all the crowd would still love Bret Hart. I will say that I love Bret but it always felt like he was a transitional champion. The company never seemed to really back him except for 94 until Vince had Diesel. Sadly I’d even argue that Vince booked Bret as a transitional champ in 1994 (Diesel had a rocket strapped to his back right after WM10). I think it’s a testament to how great Bret was despite him never being allowed to truly “run with the ball.” By 1997 he had established this “legend aura” despite the up and down booking he’d received from 1992-1997.
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Post by jking1979 on Sept 21, 2020 23:12:20 GMT -5
Bret Hart was a great wrestler. Hulk Hogan was the one selling out the arenas every night brother.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 21, 2020 23:57:13 GMT -5
If anyone could have beaten all three of those guys and still be a fan favorite, it’s Bret. And honestly, of those three guys, I feel like Savage is the only opponent where the fans would be split at that time. With Hogan and Warrior, by 1992/3 I feel like fans were sick of them (Hogan atleast). Bret would been great playing the underdog against them. Problem is if we did get the Hogan/Bret match at SummerSlam 1993, I don’t see Hogan ever putting Bret over clean. Hogan was all about himself, and we’ve all heard how Hogan felt that Bret was “too small” to be the world champ. If they worked together, I see an overbooked ending where the match ends in a no contest, or one of them wins after being attacked by someone else (I wouldn’t put it past Vince to book Hogan to go over Bret, even in 1993). I have similar feelings with Warrior. . You're likely right. I don't see either wanting to job for Bret, particularly cleanly, since he wasn't a jacked-up bodybuilder or a monster heel.
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