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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 21, 2020 17:26:25 GMT -5
Anyone else annoyed with how the main event went down on this card?
The main event was HBK vs Davey Boy Smith for the Euro Title. Original plans had Davey Boy retaining the title in front of his hometown fans. Davey Boy even dedicated the match to his sister who was suffering from cancer at the time (the woman he walks out with). The story goes that the day of the event, HBK convinced Vince to change the ending to him winning in order to “build heat.” However, HBK’s antics during and after the match seemed to go beyond that with his constant jabs at Diana and Davey’s sick sister (who both looked visibly upset). The fact that DX were constantly interfering in the match without the Hart Foundation coming out to help until well after the match ended seemed to make Bret and friends look like chumps as well. Bret also goes more into the incident in his book.
Anyone else annoyed with HBK’s politicking and antics during this match? We all know how much of a d*** he was back then but he seemed to cross a line that night after rewatching the match recently (atleast to me it seemed like it).
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 21, 2020 19:01:47 GMT -5
just shawn being normal but yes it sucked
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 22, 2020 6:03:49 GMT -5
HBK running the show & turning the screws in Bret BIG TIME.
Oh he went overboard that night(even for him) apparently he was completely off his bracket & coked up to the moon....the heat on him backstage was f*ckin nuclear for this. He was warned by Vince NOT to interact with Diana & Daveys sister. But he did it anyway....and faced no punishment
The amount of time the HF was held back by Vince to make the save was absolutely SHOCKING. The beatdown was gone into humiliation stage at this point & the HF looked like complete clowns coming out when they did. there should have been an explanation for what took them so f*cking longlike DX blocked their dressing room door with a forklift or something)...it was embarrassing.
I don't blame Bret for going nuts here. UT complained to Vince about it too & told HBK if hed have done that to his sister? He wouldn't have walked away from it. Rude was pissed & apologised to Smith. Most of the locker room already hated him but this put him over the top.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 22, 2020 7:52:56 GMT -5
HBK running the show & turning the screws in Bret BIG TIME. Oh he went overboard that night(even for him) apparently he was completely off his bracket & coked up to the moon....the heat on him backstage was f*ckin nuclear for this. He was warned by Vince NOT to interact with Diana & Daveys sister. But he did it anyway....and faced no punishment The amount of time the HF was held back by Vince to make the save was absolutely SHOCKING. The beatdown was gone into humiliation stage at this point & the HF looked like complete clowns coming out when they did. there should have been an explanation for what took them so f*cking longlike DX blocked their dressing room door with a forklift or something)...it was embarrassing. I don't blame Bret for going nuts here. UT complained to Vince about it too & told HBK if hed have done that to his sister? He wouldn't have walked away from it. Rude was pissed & apologised to Smith. Most of the locker room already hated him but this put him over the top. I hadn’t watched the match in years until the other day. The look on Bret’s face as the show goes off the air told the whole story. You can tell immediately that he wasn’t acting and wanted to rip Shawn’s leg off and beat him with it. It was also awkward at points how the camera kept cutting to Davey’s sick sister following Shawn’s taunts and she’s nearly breaking out in tears. Not one of the WWF’s finer moments. And yeah the HF looked like total chumps. For the final 10 minutes of the match DX is constantly interfering with nobody in sight to help Davey. HBK wins and the beating continues for a few more minutes before Bret and crew finally come down for the save. They all looked like idiots. Bret also mentions how his and Taker’s title fight wasn’t on the promotional poster, and it wasn’t on the original US VHS release of the event either. He chalks it up to more Shawn politicking which I wouldnt be surprised with. This whole event is another reason why I can’t buy the “born again Christian” thing that the WWE constantly tries to push about Shawn. |
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 22, 2020 11:11:57 GMT -5
Yeah, the whole thing was messed up. Shawn didn't need the win to build heat, he could have done it with his usual tactics and still taken the loss. This is just another episode of Vince giving in to Shawn when he didn't have to. They could have done all that stuff, though less of Shawn messing with Diana and Davey's sister, had sort of a braw between DX and HF, then in all of the confusion Davey beats Shawn 123. It wouldn't have been a clean loss so Shawn could save face but the fans that night would have been happy and it would have been a good thing since Davey dedicated the match to his sick sister. Nice to hear Rude apologize to Davey after the event, true class. I do remember hearing Bret talk about this and how mad it made him, probably just more fuel to the fire as to why he didn't want to put Shawn over at Survivor Series.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 22, 2020 14:25:29 GMT -5
Yeah, the whole thing was messed up. Shawn didn't need the win to build heat, he could have done it with his usual tactics and still taken the loss. This is just another episode of Vince giving in to Shawn when he didn't have to. They could have done all that stuff, though less of Shawn messing with Diana and Davey's sister, had sort of a braw between DX and HF, then in all of the confusion Davey beats Shawn 123. It wouldn't have been a clean loss so Shawn could save face but the fans that night would have been happy and it would have been a good thing since Davey dedicated the match to his sick sister. Nice to hear Rude apologize to Davey after the event, true class. I do remember hearing Bret talk about this and how mad it made him, probably just more fuel to the fire as to why he didn't want to put Shawn over at Survivor Series. This event was definatly Shawn adding more gas to an already enormous fire. I’m not sure exactly when they knew that Bret was going to be leaving but it was around this event and if Vince knew the majority of the HF was going to be gone in a month I can see him allowing DX to humiliate them (though still no excuse for what Shawn did to Diana and Davey’s sister). |
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Post by The Brain on Sept 22, 2020 14:45:47 GMT -5
Like JokerFC said Shawn was definitely coked up during this event.He was just all over the place with his antics. Shawn couldve easily took the L here with it not doing any harm to him.But yeah poltics.In the end this made the Harts look like fools and the European belt pretty much was held hostage for the next 3 months.The reign was useless. |
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 22, 2020 15:06:33 GMT -5
Yeah, the whole thing was messed up. Shawn didn't need the win to build heat, he could have done it with his usual tactics and still taken the loss. This is just another episode of Vince giving in to Shawn when he didn't have to. They could have done all that stuff, though less of Shawn messing with Diana and Davey's sister, had sort of a braw between DX and HF, then in all of the confusion Davey beats Shawn 123. It wouldn't have been a clean loss so Shawn could save face but the fans that night would have been happy and it would have been a good thing since Davey dedicated the match to his sick sister. Nice to hear Rude apologize to Davey after the event, true class. I do remember hearing Bret talk about this and how mad it made him, probably just more fuel to the fire as to why he didn't want to put Shawn over at Survivor Series. This event was definatly Shawn adding more gas to an already enormous fire. I’m not sure exactly when they knew that Bret was going to be leaving but it was around this event and if Vince knew the majority of the HF was going to be gone in a month I can see him allowing DX to humiliate them (though still no excuse for what Shawn did to Diana and Davey’s sister). I believe that only Bret was leaving by this point, it wasn't until after the Survivor Series that Bulldog, Owen and Neidhart asked to be released. I believe Davey and Owen were still under contract for another year or so at this point, so they probably weren't leaving. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 22, 2020 15:54:27 GMT -5
This event was definatly Shawn adding more gas to an already enormous fire. I’m not sure exactly when they knew that Bret was going to be leaving but it was around this event and if Vince knew the majority of the HF was going to be gone in a month I can see him allowing DX to humiliate them (though still no excuse for what Shawn did to Diana and Davey’s sister). I believe that only Bret was leaving by this point, it wasn't until after the Survivor Series that Bulldog, Owen and Neidhart asked to be released. I believe Davey and Owen were still under contract for another year or so at this point, so they probably weren't leaving. Just checked and you’re right. Davey had a year left and Owen was in year one of a four year deal. Following Montreal Davey was allowed to buy out the rest of his contract but Vince wouldn’t let Owen go and the rest is history. Basically chalk this one up to Shawn’s usual antics and Vince not giving any craps. I’m shocked though with Bret still around to protect him a little longer that Davey didn’t try to confront Shawn following the match. If I were built like him I’d have gone “Brock Lesnar” on Shawn’s a** after what he did to his sister. |
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Post by JimRiga on Sept 22, 2020 18:15:23 GMT -5
I am still absolutely sickened and disgusted by this ‘match’ years and years later.
Davey Boy was my favourite and I hated Shawn Michaels.
This just made things worse.
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 23, 2020 1:09:03 GMT -5
I was there live for this match and it was nuts! Me and my friend were Shawn Michaels fans and cheering for him, but we were smart enough to stop around half way through the match as the mood in the arena really changed.
I know someone said that Bret was not featured on the poster, but to be fair, he was featured on the original poster that featured him vs Steve Austin and Undertaker vs Ahmed Johson. With Austin and Ahmed getting injured, they had to change things. I was mad at the time as I really wanted to see Austin live and I actually liked Ahemd Johnson too. It worked out ok though as in my opinion that Bret Hart vs Undertaker match was even better than their one at SummerSlam.
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 23, 2020 20:26:58 GMT -5
I watched it again , ugh man I wish Bret had just grabbed Shawn and let him have it
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Post by K5 on Sept 24, 2020 10:27:58 GMT -5
I watched it again , ugh man I wish Bret had just grabbed Shawn and let him have it he did at one point rip out a whole lock of Shawn's hair that never regrew. that's pretty savage. |
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 24, 2020 11:23:21 GMT -5
Yeah Bulldog bought himself out of the contract but financially He apparently never recovered from this. Another reason I don't think the MSJ was a shoot. Vince refused to release or negotiate with Owen point blank and Anvil was humiliated on TV before he was allowed depart.
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 24, 2020 16:12:05 GMT -5
It just blows my mind that Shawn was allowed to do all of this and Vince just let it happen yet Vince had issues with Hogan about who created Hulkamania, had issues with Macho, Stone Col, Hart
I mean he let freaking Stone Cold walk out and blasted him on Raw
Makes no sense
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 24, 2020 21:43:17 GMT -5
Yeah Bulldog bought himself out of the contract but financially He apparently never recovered from this. Another reason I don't think the MSJ was a shoot. Vince refused to release or negotiate with Owen point blank and Anvil was humiliated on TV before he was allowed depart. Anyone who thinks the MSJ was a shoot needs their heads checked. Bret would literally have to be the greatest actor of all time to pull off that anger and bitterness that he held onto for over a decade (and still does to a point to this day). And that doesn’t include looking at what happened with Owen, Bulldog, and Anvil as you mentioned. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 24, 2020 21:50:51 GMT -5
It just blows my mind that Shawn was allowed to do all of this and Vince just let it happen yet Vince had issues with Hogan about who created Hulkamania, had issues with Macho, Stone Col, Hart I mean he let freaking Stone Cold walk out and blasted him on Raw Makes no sense Maybe those rumors of Vince and Shawn being “close” are true...lol Seriously though I never got it either. He always seemed to let Shawn get away with more than even Hogan and Austin; his biggest stars of all time. Bret was loyal to Vince and the WWF, even to a fault. It just never made sense how much pull Shawn had. Maybe it’s because Vince always felt HBK could reach the heights of Hogan (just listen to Vince gush over Shawn in every match of his from 1995-1997) that made him give Shawn so much leeway. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 24, 2020 21:51:51 GMT -5
Yeah Bulldog bought himself out of the contract but financially He apparently never recovered from this. Another reason I don't think the MSJ was a shoot. Vince refused to release or negotiate with Owen point blank and Anvil was humiliated on TV before he was allowed depart. Anyone who thinks the MSJ was a shoot needs their heads checked. Bret would literally have to be the greatest actor of all time to pull off that anger and bitterness that he held onto for over a decade (and still does to a point to this day). And that doesn’t include looking at what happened with Owen, Bulldog, and Anvil as you mentioned.
I have said this before but I will say it again. In 1999, the British Bulldog went to Cambridge Ontario to train at ICW Hart Brothers wrestling facility. He brought Harry and Tyson with him too actually so they could train. Davey was talking to the wrestlers there, being Eric Young and others, and straight out said, "the Montreal thing was a work, I got paid a ton of money to leave the WWF and pretend that I was pissed. Greatest angle ever"
Now that was right from Davey Boy himself. The wrestlers heard it there, cause I heard it from them directly. So either Davey was lying to them, or he was saying the God honest truth. Either way, I am inclined to believe Davey in what he said there and always have. The Montreal Screw Job was a work.
As for Bret being so angry all these years?? I think Shawn Michaels was onto something when he said that Bret Hart is a mark for himself and such. I love Bret, but the guy still takes it a bit too serious.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 25, 2020 16:33:05 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the MSJ was a shoot needs their heads checked. Bret would literally have to be the greatest actor of all time to pull off that anger and bitterness that he held onto for over a decade (and still does to a point to this day). And that doesn’t include looking at what happened with Owen, Bulldog, and Anvil as you mentioned. I have said this before but I will say it again. In 1999, the British Bulldog went to Cambridge Ontario to train at ICW Hart Brothers wrestling facility. He brought Harry and Tyson with him too actually so they could train. Davey was talking to the wrestlers there, being Eric Young and others, and straight out said, "the Montreal thing was a work, I got paid a ton of money to leave the WWF and pretend that I was pissed. Greatest angle ever" Now that was right from Davey Boy himself. The wrestlers heard it there, cause I heard it from them directly. So either Davey was lying to them, or he was saying the God honest truth. Either way, I am inclined to believe Davey in what he said there and always have. The Montreal Screw Job was a work. As for Bret being so angry all these years?? I think Shawn Michaels was onto something when he said that Bret Hart is a mark for himself and such. I love Bret, but the guy still takes it a bit too serious. You have to remember also, Davey was under contract with the WWF in 1999. He might not have wanted to say his boss screwed over Bret. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 25, 2020 23:41:45 GMT -5
I have said this before but I will say it again. In 1999, the British Bulldog went to Cambridge Ontario to train at ICW Hart Brothers wrestling facility. He brought Harry and Tyson with him too actually so they could train. Davey was talking to the wrestlers there, being Eric Young and others, and straight out said, "the Montreal thing was a work, I got paid a ton of money to leave the WWF and pretend that I was pissed. Greatest angle ever" Now that was right from Davey Boy himself. The wrestlers heard it there, cause I heard it from them directly. So either Davey was lying to them, or he was saying the God honest truth. Either way, I am inclined to believe Davey in what he said there and always have. The Montreal Screw Job was a work. As for Bret being so angry all these years?? I think Shawn Michaels was onto something when he said that Bret Hart is a mark for himself and such. I love Bret, but the guy still takes it a bit too serious. You have to remember also, Davey was under contract with the WWF in 1999. He might not have wanted to say his boss screwed over Bret.
This was before he was signed I believe. It was in April of 1999. He came to ICW to train and wrestle there.
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