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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 28, 2020 11:21:48 GMT -5
Heenan. For me there is absolutely no competition.
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Post by McBlake on Sept 28, 2020 11:40:03 GMT -5
Roman Reigns has done far more for Roman Reign's heel run so far than Paul Heyman.
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Post by drifter on Sept 28, 2020 13:30:23 GMT -5
Heyman could sell you the clothes off your own back with his mic skills. But greatest manager ever? Nah. In terms of talking, and booking (not talking about running the actual promotion, just booking the stars and the card) Heyman is easily one of the best. As a manager maybe he breaks the top 10, but does not get to the top 5.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 28, 2020 14:11:39 GMT -5
Heyman is nowhere near the best. He's great with guys who are already good (Lesnar, Punk, Reigns) - essentially, he adds to the overall package when it's a guy who is already top tier talent. But when he's managing someone who isn't great (Cesaro, Axel, Ryback), he doesn't have the ability to elevate them. Would you say that was also true when he was in WCW? Because I feel like he made a difference to the people he managed there. And Brock would never have reached the stardom he did in 2002 if he'd had to do his own talking. Otherwise, I definitely agree that his 2012-to-present run has been littered with failed experiments.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Sept 28, 2020 14:18:30 GMT -5
Heyman is just a hype man for whoever he manages. Sure he's fun. But nowhere close to what Bobby and several others were. Even Heyman knows it, that's why he calls himself an "advocate" for whoever instead of manager. What Heyman is doing is different than what Bobby did.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Sept 28, 2020 14:42:05 GMT -5
He's an advocate
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 28, 2020 17:43:32 GMT -5
Heyman is nowhere near the best. He's great with guys who are already good (Lesnar, Punk, Reigns) - essentially, he adds to the overall package when it's a guy who is already top tier talent. But when he's managing someone who isn't great (Cesaro, Axel, Ryback), he doesn't have the ability to elevate them. Hit the nail on the head, he’s also far too repetitive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:06:25 GMT -5
Heenan and Cornette were better.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 29, 2020 16:52:34 GMT -5
You can make the case for modern day manager. He’s been featured in the most wrestlemania main events more than any other manager. Is he the absolute best? I think Heenan takes that spot. But Heyman is definitely top 5 for sure.
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Post by k5 on Sept 29, 2020 22:10:51 GMT -5
Heyman is just a hype man for whoever he manages. Sure he's fun. But nowhere close to what Bobby and several others were. Even Heyman knows it, that's why he calls himself an "advocate" for whoever instead of manager. What Heyman is doing is different than what Bobby did. I think he uses the term advocate because it leans on a more legal approach and he's mimicking his father, who was a lawyer. he's said as much in terms of the influence his father has on his current performances.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Sept 29, 2020 22:20:51 GMT -5
I compare Heyman to Phil Jackson. Jackson was a great manager when he all time great talent and mediocre at best when he didn’t.
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Post by @brit_figs on Sept 30, 2020 15:16:06 GMT -5
Hayman is a god in the business, best manager, well that's opinions but he has for sure been a huge part of the the wonderful business we call WRASSLIN
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Post by Road Warrior Shark on Sept 30, 2020 16:02:06 GMT -5
Would you say that was also true when he was in WCW? Because I feel like he made a difference to the people he managed there. Is bad form to quote yourself? I'm gonna do it anyway. And then everyone wants to bring up the Dangerous Alliance. So let's look at it. Arn Anderson: Was already over because he was a Horseman Bobby Eaton: Was already over thanks to Jim Cornette Rick Rude: Was already over thanks to Bobby Heenan & the WWF machine Larry Zbyszko: Failure. Larry's time was passing at this point, so I don't think he was getting any more over in any case, & he is clearly the forgotten man of the DA. Steve Austin: Failure. People love to give Heyman credit for Austin, but the DA was short lived. Austin was as over as he would ever be in WCW due to the Hollywood Blondes era and his multiple TV titles. As skilled as he was in the ring, he hadn't found his personality, and his short stint with Heyman sure did not bring it out of him. Austin was so important at the time WCW let him walk. He went to ECW and cut a bunch of promos and then was the flippin' Ringmaster. Original Midnight Express: Failure. Paul got himself over in this feud, but as much as I thought the angle with Cornette/Lane/Eaton was fun, the OME did not get over at all. They lost the feud and vanished into the night.
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 1, 2020 17:50:22 GMT -5
He's a hell of a promoter. I'll give him that.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Oct 1, 2020 19:43:26 GMT -5
Robert Stone, is getting up there as a manager Im enjoying watching. Im glad they have him as a women's manager too
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Post by icopro on Oct 2, 2020 11:01:32 GMT -5
Best of all time? Definitely not. Best thing going today? Sure.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Oct 6, 2020 23:04:00 GMT -5
As much respect as I have for Paul Heyman, he's never had the on-screen impact that Bobby Heenan had in the 80s and early 90s. Heenan was more over than the wrestlers whom he managed. He was the biggest heel in the company for many years. The WWF had the luxury of putting anyone with Heenan, instantly getting them over, and subsequently having main event heels to oppose top babyfaces. Jim Cornette is the only other guy to ever quite approach this status.
That being said, Paul has had a lasting impact on the biz. ECW's heyday is mythical, and the biz is still influenced by what he was able to achieve back then.
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Post by wolfpac on Oct 7, 2020 9:11:42 GMT -5
I think Wfigs is in that rare air of being 100% Unanimous in saying Heenan is the best manager ever.
Which I agree, Cornette, James J. Dillion, Sherri all also beat Heyman in my eyes, I haven't seem much classic stuff but you would think Grand Wizard, Freddie Blassie and Capt Lou also beat out heyman.
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Post by teammadness on Oct 8, 2020 17:25:13 GMT -5
No. I didn’t watch him in WCW with the Dangerous Alliance. Other than Brock, axel was a flop, Cesaro was a flop....CM Punk was pretty good. I’d take Heenan, Mr. Fuji and Jim Cornette over Heyman and that’s just off the top of my head
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Post by ✖ AJ on Oct 12, 2020 6:30:04 GMT -5
He's one of the greatest promos of all time. Manager wise, however, technically no.
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