Deleted
Joined on: Nov 28, 2024 3:51:45 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 21:01:24 GMT -5
Shouldn’t he have had 1 world title reign that lasted at least a few months instead of two short ones? He wins the title in a ladder match and then loses it very quickly to Orton like a month later. Then he wins it again and if I recall it ends quickly for Orton to win it again which was so unnecessary. Just a matter of Vince not seeing him as a top guy?
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Nov 28, 2024 3:51:45 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 21:18:04 GMT -5
I mean, no way to directly confirm it, but word always was that Vince didn't like Christian. I'm a huge Christian fan though, and I think I would have liked the longer, more meaningful reign. As big of a fan as I am, I don't know if he truly was a TOP guy, but he was also never given the chance to either sink or swim.
|
|
|
Post by RuthlessFigs on Sept 29, 2020 21:18:04 GMT -5
He lost his first World Title to Orton 2 days after he won it (4 if you count the air date). That annoyed the hell out of me back then, and still does today.
He should have had a good run with it from the start as a face, then his second run as a heel.
|
|
|
Post by LA Times on Sept 29, 2020 21:19:26 GMT -5
Awful. It looked like a couple of pity reigns that was given to him only because Edge had to retire.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Nov 28, 2024 3:51:45 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 22:54:55 GMT -5
He lost his first World Title to Orton 2 days after he won it (4 if you count the air date). That annoyed the hell out of me back then, and still does today. He should have had a good run with it from the start as a face, then his second run as a heel. Wow I said a month later and it was 2 days! This was 2011 and that year is mostly a blur to me.
|
|
|
Post by TKO Propagandist on Sept 30, 2020 0:23:35 GMT -5
I pretty much tuned out for 2 years after he lost to Orton the first time. Unneccessary booking
|
|
TheXtremisT
Main Eventer
10 Year Member
This is the way
Joined on: May 3, 2008 8:03:15 GMT -5
Posts: 3,953
|
Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 30, 2020 3:32:33 GMT -5
I too was also outraged that he lost it 2 days after winning it. Orton being Orton, went on twitter and told everyone to shut up and calm down, and that maybe this was all part of a larger story that would lead to something better.
Did it? Still waiting on that....
|
|
rateddal
Mid-Carder
Joined on: Feb 22, 2019 21:36:45 GMT -5
Posts: 337
|
Post by rateddal on Sept 30, 2020 5:14:19 GMT -5
Awful. It looked like a couple of pity reigns that was given to him only because Edge had to retire. Absolutely agree. Pissed me off especially considering the ridiculous push Mysterio received after Eddie's death. If sad situations lead to big pushes, Christian deserved much better.
|
|
|
Post by McBlake on Sept 30, 2020 6:49:16 GMT -5
Didn't he also win the title due to a DQ? He deserved far better. His matches with Orton were great, but the booking was terrible.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Nov 28, 2024 3:51:45 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 8:15:20 GMT -5
Didn't he also win the title due to a DQ? He deserved far better. His matches with Orton were great, but the booking was terrible. Yeah at one of the ppvs he won the title by dq(I guess the stipulation was if Orton lost that way he'd lose the belt) and lost it like a month later. Yesterday Christian did a highspots acution video and someone asked him about this and he actually gave a lame answer "I don't know maybe they weren't good" referring to his short title reigns.
|
|
|
Post by McBlake on Sept 30, 2020 8:18:40 GMT -5
Didn't he also win the title due to a DQ? He deserved far better. His matches with Orton were great, but the booking was terrible. Yeah at one of the ppvs he won the title by dq(I guess the stipulation was if Orton lost that way he'd lose the belt) and lost it like a month later. Yesterday Christian did a highspots acution video and someone asked him about this and he actually gave a lame answer "I don't know maybe they weren't good" referring to his short title reigns. You know what, he's probably right. He doesn't have a single pinfall or submission victory in a world title match. His 2 reigns were won in a ladder match or by disqualification, and he lost both in his first defence against Orton. I knew it was bad, but never realised it was that bad.
|
|
|
Post by cordless2016 on Sept 30, 2020 8:44:13 GMT -5
It pissed me off then as a life long Christian fan, and it still pisses me off today. Randy and Christian had a great feud, but the one-sidedness to it where Randy always won was a slap in the face to him.
And there were plenty of heels for a face Christian as champ to work with. Sheamus, Henry, Barrett. Heck, Orton could have turned heel again for the feud. And if they want Christian as a heel, there’s no reason he couldn’t have found new ways to retain the title for a few months.
I’ve also always felt that Christian should have won the title at SummerSlam 2013. The fans were behind him and would have allowed a decent run with the title before dropping it to Cena. Hindsight always tells us different and I know Christian got hurt a month later, but maybe things would have been different and he didn’t get hurt.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Nov 28, 2024 3:51:45 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 10:36:18 GMT -5
Yeah at one of the ppvs he won the title by dq(I guess the stipulation was if Orton lost that way he'd lose the belt) and lost it like a month later. Yesterday Christian did a highspots acution video and someone asked him about this and he actually gave a lame answer "I don't know maybe they weren't good" referring to his short title reigns. You know what, he's probably right. He doesn't have a single pinfall or submission victory in a world title match. His 2 reigns were won in a ladder match or by disqualification, and he lost both in his first defence against Orton. I knew it was bad, but never realised it was that bad. Someone asked him why his 2 title reigns were too short and that's what he said. I think he could have given a better answer, but maybe he thought the question was too "smarkish" so he brushed it off as such.
|
|
|
Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 30, 2020 10:56:00 GMT -5
Good ol' dependable Orton. When ratings are down or when Vince is unsure of that new talent that is hold the WWE or World Title, then put the strap back on Orton!
I never understood that. Orton is good, but the fact he is Vince's go-to for a champion at times is just mind boggling.
I remember when Miz beat Orton to win the Title and then beat him again at TLC I thought the Royal Rumble match was gonna be Miz vs. Morrison for the WWE Title, because Morrison just won a number 1 contender match. Instead of at the Rumble they put Miz vs. Morrison on Raw and on that same Raw, Orton wins a match to face the WWE Champion at the Royal Rumble.
How can new talent grow when you don't push said new talent?? It wasn't long after that in which Morrison left the company.
|
|
|
Post by cordless2016 on Sept 30, 2020 11:18:36 GMT -5
Good ol' dependable Orton. When ratings are down or when Vince is unsure of that new talent that is hold the WWE or World Title, then put the strap back on Orton! I never understood that. Orton is good, but the fact he is Vince's go-to for a champion at times is just mind boggling. I remember when Miz beat Orton to win the Title and then beat him again at TLC I thought the Royal Rumble match was gonna be Miz vs. Morrison for the WWE Title, because Morrison just won a number 1 contender match. Instead of at the Rumble they put Miz vs. Morrison on Raw and on that same Raw, Orton wins a match to face the WWE Champion at the Royal Rumble. How can new talent grow when you don't push said new talent?? It wasn't long after that in which Morrison left the company. Funny how 10 years later and we’re seeing the same booking. Keith Lee could use a story and a PPV match for the title is just the thing...but nah put him and Drew on Raw and book Drew/Orton for the third straight PPV (mind you Drew has also won the first two matches in this feud). I’ll always say that Christian should have beat Cena for the title in 2005. Even if it were a one night reign like Kane from 1998, the fact is that Christian getting the job done would have made him a made man for life. Christian wins the triple threat at Venegance 2005, gets cocky and loses it the next night to Cena, and hey continue the feud through SummerSlam. Former writers have confirmed that Vince never saw much of Christian as a main eventer, and Bruce Pritchard thinks it stems from Christian refusing to cut his hair in 2002, but I also think being so closely associated to Edge swayed Vince’s mind as well. We knew from the moment they started tagging that Edge was being primed for the top of the card at some point. By 2005, Edge was struggling to get heel heat until the Matt Hardy stuff came out while Christian was slowly becoming one of their most over stars. We know how stubborn Vince can be and Christian becoming more over than Edge at that point seemed to be held against him, similar to a decade later when Ambrose/Mox was getting over while Vince’s next project Reigns wasn’t. I think Christian being booked into the ground in 2005 was an early example of Vince starting to ignore fans for his own personal preferences.
|
|
|
Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 30, 2020 18:15:49 GMT -5
Good ol' dependable Orton. When ratings are down or when Vince is unsure of that new talent that is hold the WWE or World Title, then put the strap back on Orton! I never understood that. Orton is good, but the fact he is Vince's go-to for a champion at times is just mind boggling. I remember when Miz beat Orton to win the Title and then beat him again at TLC I thought the Royal Rumble match was gonna be Miz vs. Morrison for the WWE Title, because Morrison just won a number 1 contender match. Instead of at the Rumble they put Miz vs. Morrison on Raw and on that same Raw, Orton wins a match to face the WWE Champion at the Royal Rumble. How can new talent grow when you don't push said new talent?? It wasn't long after that in which Morrison left the company. Did Orton even bring in ratings? I would much rather have seen a few months Christian reign over yet another Orton title win. They could've done much more with Miz vs Morrison instead of shoehorning Orton into the feud.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Nov 28, 2024 3:51:45 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 18:36:21 GMT -5
I knew Orton was never going to be on the levels of Rock and Austin, but a lot of people predicted it back in the RA era.
|
|
|
Post by Evil Abed on Sept 30, 2020 19:46:56 GMT -5
I remember being extremely pissed when I found out Orton beat Christian two days after winning. Christian deserved way better, he proved in TNA he could run with the ball. What’s worse is that you’d think Orton winning the second time would have lead to something meaningful but he just lost the title to Mark Henry a month later, who I always felt got a pity run due to how many years he’d been in the company.
|
|
|
Post by cordless2016 on Oct 1, 2020 12:22:21 GMT -5
I remember being extremely pissed when I found out Orton beat Christian two days after winning. Christian deserved way better, he proved in TNA he could run with the ball. What’s worse is that you’d think Orton winning the second time would have lead to something meaningful but he just lost the title to Mark Henry a month later, who I always felt got a pity run due to how many years he’d been in the company. That’s exactly how I felt about Henry’s run as well. His “Hall of Pain” gimmick was fun but it didn’t erase the previous 15 years of midcard hell and injuries that killed his credibility. Seriously, in 2010 Batista was jobbing Mark out on Raw to look strong against Cena, and then a year later we’re suppose to believe that Mark is this unstoppable force? It sucked when a guy like The Great Khali won the title, but it was only a year removed from beating Taker clean in his debut so there was still some credibility there. With Mark I just didn’t buy it since he had been a jobber to the stars for so long. The runs by Swagger, Henry, and Dolph’s first reign where he was handed the belt, only to loose it 10 minutes later, were the final nails in the coffin for me taking the WHC seriously.
|
|
|
Post by Kill Em' All on Oct 1, 2020 15:12:58 GMT -5
A 2013 face run on SmackDown should of happened. But the way the World Title was pissed on after 2010 and treated like the trainer World Title. Hardy and Punk in 09 was the last main event tier program with the gold. Christian deserved better.
|
|