Zincdust
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Post by Zincdust on Nov 3, 2020 11:09:01 GMT -5
When I was a kid, "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff was my guy. I STILL feel like he should have been the one to end Hulk's first WWF Championship reign.
My personal opinions aside, we all know that he was injured when WM3 rolled around. He'd suffered his arm injury during the white-hot feud with Hulk.
If he HADN'T been injured, where would he have been put into the WM3 card? There was no way that he'd be in the main event VS. Hulk, as the Andre feud was the match everyone wanted to see.
I would think that he would still be a heel with Heenan, as Ravishing Rick Rude (the catalyst for Orndorff turning face again) wouldn't come the the WWF until summer of '87.
There's also the rumor that Orndorff had some big heat with Vince/backstage management at that point, as he tried to keep his injury quiet and elected to continue his feud with Hogan as opposed to taking time off for surgery/rehab. Not sure of the validity of that one, or, if true, how if it would have had an effect on his WM3 card placement.
In your opinion, would he enter another feud with someone before hand for a big Wrestlemania match, or would he just be tossed into a meaningless throw-away with little-to-no build?
Your thoughts? Or feel free to BOOK IT (tm)!!
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Post by The Brain on Nov 3, 2020 11:16:27 GMT -5
I can see him being thrown into a quick feud with Outback Jack who just debuted on TV not long before Mania that year.
And I agree, Him beating Hogan for the belt in 86 wouldve been great. Have em beat em at the Big Event then hold it until January on SNME where he would lose it back to Hogan in the cage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 11:48:13 GMT -5
i could see him maybe being the one who fueds with hercules instead of billy jack. maybe he wrestles bundy at wm3 if he turns on heenan prior to that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 12:08:00 GMT -5
Well if Andre couldn’t go and Paul wasn’t injured I would have had him win the title at SNME and then they could have had the big rematch at WM 3. Since Andre was able to go, maybe instead of the midgets being involved he could have teamed with Bundy to face Hillbilly Jim and someone else?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 12:09:34 GMT -5
I can see him being thrown into a quick feud with Outback Jack who just debuted on TV not long before Mania that year. And I agree, Him beating Hogan for the belt in 86 wouldve been great. Have em beat em at the Big Event then hold it until January on SNME where he would lose it back to Hogan in the cage. What about if they deemed he hit the ground first in the cage match at SNME?
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Post by The Brain on Nov 3, 2020 12:36:25 GMT -5
I can see him being thrown into a quick feud with Outback Jack who just debuted on TV not long before Mania that year. And I agree, Him beating Hogan for the belt in 86 wouldve been great. Have em beat em at the Big Event then hold it until January on SNME where he would lose it back to Hogan in the cage. What about if they deemed he hit the ground first in the cage match at SNME? Well then he retains and with that Hogan goes back to the end of the line! All seriousness though the finish would most likely be big boot,leg drop with Hogan leaving the cage with no shenanigans.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 3, 2020 13:54:12 GMT -5
i could see him maybe being the one who fueds with hercules instead of billy jack. maybe he wrestles bundy at wm3 if he turns on heenan prior to that. I came in here to say just that.....
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 3, 2020 14:48:33 GMT -5
What about if they deemed he hit the ground first in the cage match at SNME? Well then he retains and with that Hogan goes back to the end of the line!
All seriousness though the finish would most likely be big boot, leg drop with Hogan leaving the cage with no shenanigans. I use to love that logic about wrestling. Nowadays, a guy loses a title match and gets another one the next night or the next PPV, ridiculous. I remember the Hart Foundation lost to the Brain Busters at SSL89 in a non-title match, they didn't get another Tag Team Title shot for another year (at least not on TV). I can even remember Jesse saying that if the Hart's win they go to the front of the line but if they lose, they don't get another shot for another year or so. But, this was back when titles mattered. As for the Orndorff feud, I like the idea of Orndorff winning the belt at the Big Event in 1986, they could use the SNME where they both land on the floor at the same time to continue the feud (match ends as a no contest and Hogan and Orndorff brawl as the TV fades to black) with a rematch at WM3 for the belt - sadly, with Hogan winning. But that would only be the case if Andre wasn't in the picture.
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Post by PJ on Nov 3, 2020 19:10:22 GMT -5
i could see him maybe being the one who fueds with hercules instead of billy jack. maybe he wrestles bundy at wm3 if he turns on heenan prior to that. I came in here to say just that..... If he wasn’t injured I definitely could see this.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 4, 2020 1:54:55 GMT -5
Paul was wrestling at this time frame. He was tagging with Bundy on house shows.
The rumour was years ago, that they kept Orndorff off Wrestlemania 3 in case Andre couldn't wrestle. The back up plan was Hulk Hogan vs. Mr. Wonderful as the main event at Wrestlemania III. That is why they had that cage match on SNME with both men hitting the ground at the same time. I know Hogan ended up winning that match when it restarted. but the plan was for Mr. Wonderful vs. Hogan if Andre couldn't compete cause of his back injury.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 4, 2020 6:14:56 GMT -5
With me being a huge Mr. Wonderful fan, I wouldve love to see him get that big spotlight in the main event of WM III but at the end of the day I'm glad Andre was good enough to go.
No doubt in my mind the biggest match in wrestling history.And 33 years later it's still my fav Mania of all time.
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 4, 2020 10:16:58 GMT -5
WWF needed a pin fall win of Hogan over Orndorff and I can see them selling out the stadium if they were able to prolong the feud a bit, maybe not have the cage match but have the battle royal and Paul eliminates Hogan. It's a shame he went from a huge crowd in CNE main eventing to not even being on the card but it was probably either his arm injury or a worst case scenario with Andre not appearing. I doubt he would ever consider not appearing, at least for Vince at the time. Andre had to know this would be a swan song even though it was a few years before his passing.
I think a good match would be Orndorff and Bundy versus Hillbilly and Bruno. It's pretty much a makeshift match but a lot of Bruno matches at the time were makeshift tag matches and both were still active employees. WM III is also my all time favorite show. I became a fan around WM VI so I like that a lot especially with a lot more colorful gimmicks but WM III is THE PPV of all time. WWE can do stadium mania after stadium mania but it's not about the card anymore. It's not about the buildup or the quality of the show or characters it's about the fans being able to say "I attended a Wrestlemania." The characters, storylines and overall matches or main event don't bring the fans and that's what WM III was all about, bringing in fans who wanted to see Hogan/Andre or maybe a few undercard matches like Savage/Steamboat or Piper/Adonis or maybe all of the characters in general. But with WM in the infancy, fans weren't going just go be able to say they attended a Wreslemania and that's what makes the early mania's so special, especially the ones with huge crowds.
Lastly, to put over how popular the Hogan/Orndorff feud was, I think the Big Event had a pretty crappy undercard. It's one of my favorite shows but this literally was a house show and you can tell by the wrestlers they used. They didn't have Macho, Tito, Bob Orton, Hart Foundation, Sheik and Volkoff or Bulldogs but rather Dick Slater, Mike Sharpe, Ted Arcidi, past their prime Tony Garea and Pedro Morales, pre Islanders Haku and Jimmy Jack Funk all of whom were guys at the time that probably wouldn't have made a PPV otherwise if not for a battle royal or survivor series.
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Post by warriorlynx on Nov 4, 2020 14:49:20 GMT -5
I remember Orndorff was saying he had neck problems so it would've been very difficult for him to make it but assuming he was okay, that's a tough one since the card was damn solid there weren't that many option for him. I mean maybe if they turned him babyface because he gets angry that Andre replaced him okay he can face Outlaw Ron Bass as an example. As a heel maybe Corporal Kirshener or Lanny Poffo though not sure anyone would be interested in that.
If we had to replace someone in a match maybe JYD so that Harley Race can work with someone else? Not sure I would have to think about that lol. Or perhaps just add him in the Bundy match.
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