peterjp2
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Post by peterjp2 on Nov 23, 2020 2:19:36 GMT -5
Liv is probably injured now I hope not, still keeping hope alive for an actual Liv/Ruby push. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Nov 23, 2020 3:22:22 GMT -5
they've been building this up to make ppl sorry for Lana...and happy for her. but this does the opposite. she won a match by doing nothing. when ppl were wanting Bianca to win Speak for yourself... I don't want Bianca to win anything. |
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Post by finnbalor1 on Nov 23, 2020 4:17:19 GMT -5
SP/New Day was great, right team won. New Day gear was awesome!
Drew and Roman wasn't what I expected but still really good.
Great send off for Taker
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 23, 2020 8:18:17 GMT -5
Man don’t turn Roman into one of those heels that has to rely on others and cheating It kind of works for him though and makes sense. His whole shtick is being the head of the family and doing whatever he has to in order to feed his family. He doesn’t ask Uce to get involved but if they want his respect, they’ll help him win. |
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Post by JCF on Nov 23, 2020 8:25:38 GMT -5
The Undertaker send off was... interesting. The superstars coming to the ring and disappearing shortly after was strange. Best part was the Paul Bearer hologram thing!
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Post by Angel Beast on Nov 23, 2020 8:37:07 GMT -5
Man don’t turn Roman into one of those heels that has to rely on others and cheating It kind of works for him though and makes sense. His whole shtick is being the head of the family and doing whatever he has to in order to feed his family. He doesn’t ask Uce to get involved but if they want his respect, they’ll help him win. It might be but pretty much every heel is that way now a days and it’s annoying. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 23, 2020 8:48:16 GMT -5
Seeing Undertaker retire is two emotions for me. I'm happy because I want the real person Mark Calaway to enjoy the fruits of his labor and finally be able to spend time with his family and not have to destroy his body anymore.
On the other hand, the kid in me is really sad. That's a major part of my childhood and a character that has been with me for essentially my entire life. 30 years of The Undertaker. I'm 36 years old. He's always been there. Through good times and bad times, both in the wrestling world, the real world, or my personal life.....he was a steady and constant presence. Something you could always count on to be there. It's hard not to be sad and feel some sense of loss, again, even though I'm happy for the real person.
He truly was one of the best to ever set foot in a wrestling ring. He's the greatest character that has ever existed in wrestling. There will NEVER be another, because the business is different now. When you let something happen organically, you get the Undertaker. When you try and force things and dictate how the fans should react to every situation....you get today's WWE.
Even though he's been around less and less in recent years, the ever looming presence of his character and watching each show and wondering "maybe tonight?"...it really kept me attached to a company that's been losing my interest FAST for a while now. I can see myself easily stopping watching WWE all together at some point in the very near future.
Anyway,....thanks for 30 amazing years, Undertaker. This truly was a once in a lifetime experience and I'm thrilled to have been able to enjoy the journey from start to finish. And on a personal note, watching Undertaker matches with my dad (along with Yankee games) has been some of my most cherished father/son bonding moments, so big thanks to Undertaker for creating so many awesome moments and memories that my dad and I could share.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 23, 2020 10:03:16 GMT -5
Sounded like a decent show. Only watched New Day vs Street Profits which was damn good. Been asking for a Bearer hologram for years, so glad they finally did it.
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Post by Bandalero on Nov 23, 2020 10:04:04 GMT -5
well said Lorenzo Alcazar. I can't say I was ever an Undertaker fan; but he was always there and I'm happy for him to be retiring on his own terms. It really sucks that he didn't have the live crowds there with him, it would have been emotional and chilling (in a good way) for everyone and viewers on TV. I watched Survivor Series when he first debuted like most of us here did, and it's bewildering to think that 30 years just went by. I watched him in Memphis and NWA as Mean Mark so he's really a veteran of 33 years! That's impressive, taking nothing away from the performer and the gimmick. Mark seems like a legit nice guy too, and more than likely will be the headliner for HOF next year. Well deserved. |
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Post by JL Styles on Nov 23, 2020 10:16:16 GMT -5
New Day-Street Profits was fantastic. I knew it was going to be, and it was.
Sasha-Asuka was very good. It always is with those two.
Drew-Roman was terrific. Drew may have lost, but he looked great in doing so. It took interference and a low blow to beat him.
The Undertaker tribute was good. It's really too bad there was no crowd. Real applause and chanting would have been incredible for that. Thirty years with the same company, in any industry, is incredible.
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ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Nov 23, 2020 10:58:32 GMT -5
Those SvS 5-on-5's....woof.
Personally thought that Taker segment was absolutely horrible. The biggest franchise player in the company's history and there was not one thing special about it. Vince coming out and rambling and falling through some kind of grateful promo was horrendous. Why did I sit through 12 minutes of entrances and then everyone left the ring? Taker saying "now I...rest. in. peace" was so cheesy. Shame on them for sending this dude off like this.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 23, 2020 14:05:02 GMT -5
Hail to the King
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 23, 2020 14:06:11 GMT -5
Those SvS 5-on-5's....woof. Personally thought that Taker segment was absolutely horrible. The biggest franchise player in the company's history and there was not one thing special about it. Vince coming out and rambling and falling through some kind of grateful promo was horrendous. Why did I sit through 12 minutes of entrances and then everyone left the ring? Taker saying "now I...rest. in. peace" was so cheesy. Shame on them for sending this dude off like this. You're wrong |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 23, 2020 14:20:11 GMT -5
Everyone forgot it's 20 years of R-Truth/K-Kwik
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Post by hitmancmedge on Nov 23, 2020 14:33:16 GMT -5
Those SvS 5-on-5's....woof. Personally thought that Taker segment was absolutely horrible. The biggest franchise player in the company's history and there was not one thing special about it. Vince coming out and rambling and falling through some kind of grateful promo was horrendous. Why did I sit through 12 minutes of entrances and then everyone left the ring? Taker saying "now I...rest. in. peace" was so cheesy. Shame on them for sending this dude off like this. Dude has been telling his opponents for 30 years that he is gonna make them Rest In Peace and now he is retiring...what the hell else is he suppose to say? |
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motleyspoisongun
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Post by motleyspoisongun on Nov 23, 2020 20:54:15 GMT -5
The send off confused me, likes hes been doing all these interviews lately out of character, i was expecting the hybrid Taker we had at mania to come down & meet all his boys in the ring and sort of have like a little celebration
As far as what actually happened, you'd think with all that technology they have now with holograms that instead of what they did with Paul Bearer (which was a nice touch) they could have had Taker in the ring finishing having his moment and have a hologram Paul with the urn appear mid way on the ramp & tell taker its time to come home &!he follows Paul up the ramp and they both disappear into the fog
and i dont want to see Taker get in the HOF until fans can actually be there
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 23, 2020 21:00:54 GMT -5
It kind of works for him though and makes sense. His whole shtick is being the head of the family and doing whatever he has to in order to feed his family. He doesn’t ask Uce to get involved but if they want his respect, they’ll help him win. It might be but pretty much every heel is that way now a days and it’s annoying. Nowadays? How many heels ever beat Hogan, Warrior, Bret Hart, WCW Goldberg, The Rock or Stone Cold clean? |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Nov 23, 2020 21:05:59 GMT -5
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Post by The Lion's Den on Nov 24, 2020 1:42:23 GMT -5
I've slowly been getting back into wrestling and that was some of the worst crep I have seen. I'm definitely missing context but the raw/smackdown match showed flashes of good, but showed a lot of awkwardness. Plus that Otis guy was just difficult to watch. The bigger guy in the new day/Street profits was pretty mediocre. Honestly the whole darn show was so awkward to watch. Felt like people weren't really coordinated and slow. Maybe I need to watch more.
Lorenzo, you articulated it very well. It was a very emotional send-off, regardless of what you think. That man is responsible for some of the greatest entertainment and the most definitive character in history. Perhaps the lack of crowd didn't help, but I do feel like they could have done more. Maybe it's all he wanted, all he asked for. The selfish fan in me wanted so much more. Maybe more speeches, maybe a speech by Kane, maybe a Kane send off, maybe a coffin, maybe an urn, maybe this, maybe that. So many what ifs, but the truth is it really choked me up. It was quiet, dark, still, just as it always felt when he made an entrance. He had his chance to say goodbye and that's what matters. Thanks Taker.
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