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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 18, 2020 12:34:58 GMT -5
Since we’ve been having a lot of polls in this forum lately I thought it would be cool to see which part of the Reign of Terror that people hated the most.
From 2002-2005, Triple H dominated the world title scene on Raw. From being handed the world title in September of 2002, to finally dropping it for good in April of 2005, a lot of fans were pissed at how many performers were “sacrificed” in order for Hunter to look strong.
For me, it’s close between his feuds with Kane, Booker T, and Orton. With Kane, the “Katie Vick” angle seemed to kill the Kane character dead in its tracks with it being so contradictory to his history to that point. With Booker, we all know about the racist crap that was added to the feud for no reason.
In the end though, I have to go with Orton. At the time, Randy was seen as the hottest young star in the company. His IC Title reign was the best run with the belt in years and he seemed destined to lead the company going forward. Then because Brock left the WWE and Vince wanted to take away the “youngest world champ” title from him, Orton was hotshotted to the world title. While this could have been great for him, he was turned face for no reason other than Hunter’s real-life and kayfabe ego. What we saw next was a burial so bad that it took Randy nearly 4 years to recover from. There was a lot of crap in that feud and the fact that Randy was an up and comer compared to guys like Kane and Booker T made it the worst for me.
So, which part of the Reign of Terror did you hate the most?
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Post by K5 on Nov 18, 2020 12:43:40 GMT -5
rvd hurt the most as I was a huge fan and thought he could've been a mega star, but randy orton was just botched totally. give the kid the title at the second biggest ppv of the year and then chop him down a few months later to DA GAME
I like aspects of the reign of terror - a throwback to a territory heel was a totally different booking template than the usual mega face wwe champ style. and triple h giving his nods to Harley, Flair and others was super cool. but the fumbling of the faces he went against was bad news. the difference between triple h and those territory era heels, is Flair and Harley made their opponents look better even in defeat. Triple H's opponents got damaged.
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Post by nibs92 on Nov 18, 2020 12:46:36 GMT -5
I’ve gone with Booker T. Triple H pedigree’d him at WM and waited around 30 seconds until going for an easy 3.
Booker was booked to look weak all the way through the feud. And the racial parts were vile. A senseless waste of air time where no one benefitted (including the fans!).
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Nov 18, 2020 12:46:48 GMT -5
“People like you don’t win titles...” How the  do you put the heel over after a line like that? |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 18, 2020 13:01:14 GMT -5
“People like you don’t win titles...” How the do you put the heel over after a line like that? What makes it even crazier is that Booker held that very same belt 5 times previously in WCW (this is when they still connected the belts history to the WCW Title). You’re telling us Booker’s “people” don’t win world titles despite him having done it 5 times previously? Ridiculous. Bruce Pritchard defending the angle on his podcast is just as bad as the angle itself. |
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Post by The Brain on Nov 18, 2020 13:04:52 GMT -5
Booker T for sure. Still boggles my mind how they didnt put the belt on em at WM XIX.Bad booking all around there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 13:07:35 GMT -5
RVD. They should have struck while the iron was hot with him. When he did win the title in 2006, it was at least 3 years too late.
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Post by LA Times on Nov 18, 2020 13:30:25 GMT -5
RVD. He was the most over wrestler in 2001-2002 and had that momentum killed after one PPV vs HHH.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 18, 2020 13:37:47 GMT -5
I was thinking about this just today. Hunter neutered so many guys. Him and Vince were just throwing their in-law schlongs around. I didn't mind the likes of Kane, Booker and RVD losing. It was just the manner in which they got beat. Kane: humiliated. Book: beaten after only 1 pedirgree after both being down forever. Van Dam: He didn't even need a pedigree to be pinned at one point, Hunter finished him with a DDT on the steel. Who could forget how Helmsley even got the title to begin with. Handed to him!! What a pittens.
Steiner beat himself in some ways but he was made to look a right tit in the process. Goldberg's booking was really bad but I heard he didn't get the strap at Summerslam cause he wouldn't go on tour. That was from Bruce though. Even still, the endgame always came back to Hunter.
A positive was that when Trips eventually started to do jobs it meant a whole hell of alot. Chris and Batista were made from it. Gave Cena the torch and really helped Shelton breakout. I'd still put the 2002-2005 stuff ahead of anything from 2008-2010 starring HHH. I was way over him as a full timer by that point.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 18, 2020 13:39:22 GMT -5
I would like to vote the entire 2002 - 2004 reigns that Triple H had.
Nobody benefited from that time frame of September 2002 - March 2004.
HBK only had a 1 month reign as Champion and that was just because it was a feel good moment.
Goldberg got beat first before winning the World Title - although years later I heard that was his own fault since he didn't want to tour overseas I believe.
Ironically though I found Triple H's World Title reigns from September 2004 - April 2005 to be much more enjoyable. Maybe it was based on the story lines at the time and who he was working and such.
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Post by Finn Bálor #1 Fan on Nov 18, 2020 14:13:50 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one but I loved HHH Reign at the top I was even sad when he lost the title to Goldberg
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Post by Kill Em' All on Nov 19, 2020 0:24:51 GMT -5
I really wish HBK carried the title and had one good long run. But HBK didn't want it. But I wish I could work that in somewhere if he wanted it. I'd give Booker T a title run from Mania to maybe like Judgment Day or Bad Blood? I honestly liked HHH as the center point of Raw; but some bad booking choices took place.
Honestly I despise Goldberg; and I hate sounding hateful. The only Goldberg match I liked was WM 33. I simply do not care or ever would care for him as champion. I hated he killed Orton's reign. It still bugs me; maybe Orton wasn't ready. But the fact they pulled the plug that quick. Even if the plan was to have Orton get his win back at WM. I think Orton should of reigned with the title maybe until NYR; where HHH can regain in the chamber. Have Batista angle still take place.
I think Kane should of went on this crazed pyscho spree and took the title off HHH in mid/late 2003. But; I'd have Triple H regain the title in December to still have the Beniot/HBK angle play out in the same fashion.
I personally hate Goldberg stuff the most; Steiner had horrible matches. But the Royal Rumble 03 build up was really really good.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 19, 2020 1:42:36 GMT -5
Steiner had horrible matches. But the Royal Rumble 03 build up was really really good. So true. I remember the video for No Way Out 03 specifically which recounted the entire feud. This was the era where every PPV had a kickass theme song. Dave Sahadi and the team were on fire with the video packages. I remember loving the one for Steiner vs Test that year even though the feud sucked monkeys. |
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Post by Old Zeke on Nov 19, 2020 3:12:21 GMT -5
Absolutely Booker T, that was horrendous.
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Post by hbkjason on Nov 19, 2020 3:21:50 GMT -5
I am torn between Booker T and RVD. RVD was my guy and I really think getting the title could have elevated him to the next level. The whole Booker T thing as people have said many times is completely ridiculous.
Also, I know this may not be a popular opinion, but I loved the Triple H and Kevin Nash feud during this time. I just feel that they could have put the belt on Nash for just a month, from one PPV to the next and it would have freshened up Triple H's character a bit being the one doing the chasing, even if it was just for a few weeks.
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Post by McBlake on Nov 19, 2020 7:47:46 GMT -5
Not having that feel good Booker T win is pretty much the only downside to an otherwise perfect Wrestlemania.
The fact it took Hunter almost 30 seconds to cover Booker after the pedigree didn't help either. Took Booker YEARS to recover.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 19, 2020 9:15:31 GMT -5
I am torn between Booker T and RVD. RVD was my guy and I really think getting the title could have elevated him to the next level. The whole Booker T thing as people have said many times is completely ridiculous. Also, I know this may not be a popular opinion, but I loved the Triple H and Kevin Nash feud during this time. I just feel that they could have put the belt on Nash for just a month, from one PPV to the next and it would have freshened up Triple H's character a bit being the one doing the chasing, even if it was just for a few weeks. I enjoyed the Triple H and Nash feud from 2003 as well. My only issue with it is that it didn’t need the world title to make it interesting. The KLIQ breakup was reason enough to tune in. Had Booker won the title at WM, he could have held it for a few months and feuded with Jericho while HHH did his thing with Nash. After Bad Blood, Triple H can take the title back and still looks strong going into the Goldberg feud. |
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Post by The Shiniest Wizard on Nov 19, 2020 9:27:40 GMT -5
While I am a RVD fan and that loss got to me. I can't deny the impact that the Booker T storyline had on people. I know it's the easy one to pick, but come on. That whole story was built for Booker's big moment, and the crowd was behind him. Only for that moment to be taken away from him for absolutely no reason. The payoff did not justify the means it took to get there. Shame what really could have been on RAW that night after with everyone cheering for Booker and Triple H being an absolute madman saying that he got screwed, trying to get his title back.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 19, 2020 10:15:39 GMT -5
While I am a RVD fan and that loss got to me. I can't deny the impact that the Booker T storyline had on people. I know it's the easy one to pick, but come on. That whole story was built for Booker's big moment, and the crowd was behind him. Only for that moment to be taken away from him for absolutely no reason. The payoff did not justify the means it took to get there. Shame what really could have been on RAW that night after with everyone cheering for Booker and Triple H being an absolute madman saying that he got screwed, trying to get his title back. Agreed 100%. Had they not introduced that racist crap, fine, HHH could go over. But the moment they introduced that crap to the angle, Booker had to go over. I think one of the biggest issues from 2002-2003 is that RVD, Kane, and Booker were each seen as guys who could fill in a top babyface spot. Now obviously not all three could have won the world title or it would have meant nothing. But the fact that all three were buried is what sucks. Had HHH put over just one of those three guys and I don’t think this time frame would be looked back at with such disdain. |
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 19, 2020 10:40:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't know of most of these feuds only because I stopped watching wrestling almost completely after the Katie Vick angle. I started again in 2010 but really only a few times on Raw and TNA and not whole shows either.
The Katie Vick funeral scene is the most disgusting thing I've seen in any movie or show. I hope if he ever gets the chance to take over WWE after Vince passes and tries to get other business people to come along for the ride, that the Katie Vick scene is shown to any potential business associates. I also think that wrestlers who may be more loyal to Vince now will speak out against Triple H if he were the one in charge.
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