Rocky Balboa
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Post by Rocky Balboa on Jan 2, 2021 7:24:59 GMT -5
These are all bad suggestions in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 7:35:15 GMT -5
These are all bad suggestions in my opinion. I respect your opinion. Why is an invitation only RR a bad idea? Why are Lumberjacks a bad idea? Why is a visible clock a bad idea?
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Jan 2, 2021 8:47:43 GMT -5
It’s all just unnecessary. The match is about the entertainment. That’s why the time intervals are different. To allow certain spots to take place, or to have someone to be put over over a period of time.
We know this. It’s not like it’s a big secret. The Rumble match is just supposed to be fun.
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Post by McBlake on Jan 2, 2021 10:16:42 GMT -5
It’s all just unnecessary. The match is about the entertainment. That’s why the time intervals are different. To allow certain spots to take place, or to have someone put over over a period of time. We know this. It’s not like it’s a big secret. The Rumble match is just supposed to be fun. Exactly this. I've never understood the fascination for accurate clock if it comes at the expense of mistimed spot. It would just make the whole match messy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 12:12:41 GMT -5
It’s all just unnecessary. The match is about the entertainment. That’s why the time intervals are different. To allow certain spots to take place, or to have someone put over over a period of time. We know this. It’s not like it’s a big secret. The Rumble match is just supposed to be fun. Exactly this. I've never understood the fascination for accurate clock if it comes at the expense of mistimed spot. It would just make the whole match messy. Watch the last 3 RR. Immediately after a spot is done the :10 clock comes up, it’s insulting. My 3 suggestions would entertain the hell out of everyone! I don’t care about the shot clock in a basketball game, but I know in the back of my mind it’s there for good reason.
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Post by CymruX2 on Jan 2, 2021 18:49:45 GMT -5
Ivitation only thing because it's just not needed, especially when it calls for the McMahons to have TV time. Lumberjacks, WWE cameramen struggle to capture all the action in tag matches, rumbles are a thousand times harder, factor in the lumberjacks too. Nah, that's what's called a cluster . I like the clock idea but it'll only expose the fact the length of time between entries varies. I don't mind if a guy like edge return gets 4 mins before the next guy comes in, but when epico comes out I'm ready for the next guy before he even hits the ring. As for my ideas I'd like to see 40men rumbles from now on. There enough talent to flesh it out. NXT guys. If the lose they go back to NXT if they win they move to the show of their choice and challenge its champion at mania. Can't think of a third though.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 2, 2021 22:59:22 GMT -5
Of all the “special interests” to have, I think coming up with restrictions to put on the Royal Rumble is the strangest.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 2, 2021 23:43:02 GMT -5
There's roughly 100 active, male, non injured wrestlers on the WWE roster that are not currently in NXT UK. We all know the Rumble is gonna get stuck with no fans in an "empty" stadium...Gimme 2 50 man Rumbles on back to back nights with the winners facing the World & Universal Champions at Mania. Take the final 4 non winners from each Rumble and hold an 8 mean tournament over the next few weeks and determine the challenger for the NXT Title if you want.
You can never have enough Rumbles and who doesnt love a tournament?
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jan 3, 2021 1:38:43 GMT -5
No phoney over choreographed spots. Book actual stars to be in it. No phoney over choreographed spots.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 3, 2021 2:20:25 GMT -5
Superstare having such a short time to enter the ring could lead to more falls like Titus. It also means we wouldn't see great comedy like Heath Slater or Scotty 2 Hotty constantly getting beaten up on the ramp.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jan 3, 2021 2:23:41 GMT -5
Cool concepts bro; I like the Academy idea. NXT Lumberjacks may be bit of cluster f***; but it would be unique. The clock and times being off is more of story positioning. And to create perfect story based timing in the Rumble. I actually enjoy your threads. Stay up brother.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 8:37:10 GMT -5
I actually like what they did in the very early rumbles where there was one hard cam on the whole ring and the :10sec inset clock became the cam on the new entrant. The action never stopped in the ring. These days everyone stops for the new entrant and just lays on the floor while the refs run around and whisper to them.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jan 3, 2021 11:09:06 GMT -5
I don’t even care about the Rumble this year. I remember when people thought we’d have crowds back by summer time....
Zero point in a rumble without a crowd. Just do a battle royal....
Or let people get COVID. I’m so over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 11:53:52 GMT -5
We can debate new rules until we are blue in the face but one thing we can all agree with is Finlay just allowing Becky Lynch into the Rumble because she walked down the ramp and asked was the most bag over the head slap in the face insulting moment to the fans in Royal Rumble history. Macho Man being allowed back in after eliminating himself a close second.
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Post by bababooey on Jan 3, 2021 14:27:56 GMT -5
The invitation idea is good. Not so much in terms of improving the the actual Rumble match, but it could make the buildup more interesting. Doesn’t have to be the McMahons with the invitations, since they’re barely on TV these days. It could be whoever is in a position of power at the moment, like Adam Pearce right now.
I don’t like the lumberjack idea. Just from a visual standpoint itself, it would be bad. I feel like anything more than 2 refs on each side is too busy, and that might even be a lot. Having that many people outside the ring would draw my attention from what’s going on inside.
I do and don’t agree with the clock thing. I don’t have a problem with fudging the times a bit. It’s a production, I’d rather get a cool spot uninterrupted than a cool spot interrupted by a loud buzz. It also allows for them to speed things up if the ring is too empty, or slow things down if the ring is too full or if someone missed their mark and they need a few extra seconds to redo the spot. They don’t need to be “held accountable”. It’s not that serious. I agree that they have gotten to a point where they are all over the place with the times, but I’d say if they are within 10 seconds I’m cool.
Something I’d like to see that’s not so much a rule, but something that kinda just happens, is that if someone already has a match that night they aren’t in the Rumble match. I feel like you can stack the rest of the card with the big time stars, then use the Rumble as a launch pad for someone ready to break through, and have a good portion of the contestants basically be fodder. It lets more people get TV time, and leaves more open spots for debuts, returns, one-off appearances, etc. I think it would make the Rumble more fun again. I used to love that the Rumble was an opportunity for people that weren’t normally getting too many chances.
Overall, I think the rules are fine as they are. The booking around it just needs improvement.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 3, 2021 17:40:06 GMT -5
We can debate new rules until we are blue in the face but one thing we can all agree with is Finlay just allowing Becky Lynch into the Rumble because she walked down the ramp and asked was the most bag over the head slap in the face insulting moment to the fans in Royal Rumble history. Macho Man being allowed back in after eliminating himself a close second. No one is looking to debate new rules... you’re the only one that wants new rules. And it is obvious why the clock is not shown the entire time. The intervals are not consistent. The time varies depending on how long it takes to finish certain entrances, spots, etc. It’s wrestling. It’s entertainment. It’s a show. If you don’t like the Rumble because you don’t see the clock the whole time then you really shouldnt watch.
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Rocky Balboa
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Post by Rocky Balboa on Jan 3, 2021 22:41:25 GMT -5
These are all bad suggestions in my opinion. I respect your opinion. Why is an invitation only RR a bad idea? Why are Lumberjacks a bad idea? Why is a visible clock a bad idea? Invitation only is a bad idea because it gives away surprises. Lumberjacks are bad because it clogs up the screen, in an already clogged up screen type of match. A visible clock is bad because sometimes you need to let a moment breathe. Imagine if they are setting up something cool, say for example that the Rock returned and he is doing his routine with People's Elbow and all that stuff, don't think it would ruin the moment as he takes off the elbow pad and the crowd is completely focused on the entrance way instead?
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Post by nibs92 on Jan 4, 2021 3:31:51 GMT -5
Happy New Year! The Royal Rumble is the best PPV of the year! If WWE just adopted these Rules it would be perfect! I have posted variations of these regulations in the past! ********************************************************************************************************************** 1. The Royal Rumble is invitation only. The McMahon's possess 30 invitations that look like Academy Award envelops, with the entrance # inside, that they can distribute in a variety of ways. They can put an invitation on the line in a qualification match, they can hand deliver an invitation to a celebrity to create a mainstream buzz, they can honor a WWE legend with a gifted invitation. They should only show 10-15 being given out to still have the element of surprise. No more "declaring" for the RR on Twitter. I declared on Twitter before several Superstars last year and no one from WWE got in contact with me.(yes I'm kidding)(kinda) 2. The Ring should be surrounded by Refs and NXT Lumberjacks. Refs in zebra stripes, NXT Lumberjacks in Black polos and khakis. Off camera/out of focus for the most part until a Superstar decides to Cheat! Then there would be a beat down and get a NXT start some air time/start of a feud. There should be a small amount of Lumberjacks 5-7 with a Captain assigned. They could show backstage meetings with the Captain rallying the other Lumberjacks to not put up with any cheating! The head WWE ref would supervise the Captain of the Lumberjacks. Very limited roll except for a few cheating attempts especially early in the match so the audience know the remainder of the Rumble will be legit. Lumberjacks should make sure the Superstar enters the ring in a timely fashion. Lumberjacks should make sure that Superstars who go outside the ring other than being eliminated are thrown back in. Lumberjacks should ensure the Kofi and Kacy spots are quick. Think Ken Shamrock's role at WM13 Bret vs. Austin. The Match wasn't about Ken but by God you knew he was there! 3. Entrant Clock will be visible at all times. This is my biggest pet peeve. What ever the time domain is between entrants (1min, 90sec, 2min) needs to be consistent across the board. I highly recommend :90 seconds. Last few years it has gotten way out of hand with time between entrants ranging from 30sec -3min in the same rumble match! My solution is to have a running clock the entire time that expands larger with :10 seconds left. I understand that "spots" need to happen, choreograph better! *************************************************************************************************************** I used to have other rules and regulations such as Superstars can’t be eliminated by a non legal entity, Superstars who exit the ring other than being eliminated have :10 seconds to reenter, Superstars must enter the ring within :10 seconds of their respective entrant buzzer, and Superstars are eliminated when they are thrown over the top rope and lose contact with any part of the ring but with the Lumberjacks in place many problems could be prevented. When I say problems I mean intelligence insulting problems not heels being heels. *****One last point I want to reiterate is the importance albeit limited role of the Lumberjack. This is NOT a Lumberjack match they will have a very limited role and be rarely mentioned. 2-3 minor spots, totaling less than a minute of a one hour match.***** I can't stress enough how I want you all to go watch Bret vs. Austin at WM13 and study Ken Shamrock's role. Shamrock added authenticity never seen before and he did so just by the mere mention of his presence and not bc he actually was involved. Shamrock got his spot at the end when he duplexed Bret, that was it. Happy New Year to you too! I assume the Rumble works on an invitation basis. For example, I couldn’t post on Twitter saying I’ll be in the Rumble and it would be accepted. My take is a certain superstar will take to social media to reach out to their fans and hype their appearance at the upcoming event (boost sales, subscriptions etc). The lumberjack idea seems to be overkill in a match that already has a lot of action in it. Maybe as a compromise have them in the back and can come down if and when required. I think the majority have covered it but having a clock would detract from the event. Shaving/adding time serves a purpose. If there is a lull in the event, it’s a good idea to send someone down to the ring to move things along or hold an entrant to emphasise a spot. I’m a football (soccer) fan and get that an event on television has a clock running through it. I like to know how much injury time is left if a vital goal is required, or the amazement of a team being 2-0 up inside ten minutes. I’m sure it’s the same principle for basketball, (American) football etc. However, wrestling is a different entity entirely and applying strict time rules would hinder, rather than enhance it in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 15:50:28 GMT -5
I respect your opinion. Why is an invitation only RR a bad idea? Why are Lumberjacks a bad idea? Why is a visible clock a bad idea? Invitation only is a bad idea because it gives away surprises. Lumberjacks are bad because it clogs up the screen, in an already clogged up screen type of match. A visible clock is bad because sometimes you need to let a moment breathe. Imagine if they are setting up something cool, say for example that the Rock returned and he is doing his routine with People's Elbow and all that stuff, don't think it would ruin the moment as he takes off the elbow pad and the crowd is completely focused on the entrance way instead? You didn’t read my descriptions just the bold titles.. all of your issues would be addressed.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Jan 4, 2021 16:04:56 GMT -5
One entrant every second. 30 people, 30 seconds, 5 min Rumble and done! Landmines on the outside. Lets see what you do now Kofi! Russian Roulette determines the winner for the final six.
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