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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 9:15:44 GMT -5
I'm glad to see that the merits of whether or not a John Cena figure depicting a look he sported close to twenty years ago meets the criteria for inclusion in a "Legends" line are still wildly undecided. It's insane. |
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Post by LA Knight Yeah! on Jan 25, 2021 10:26:29 GMT -5
Damn elite 84 Roman doesn’t come with back tattoo I hoped that I will not see that comment  Very disappointing, but I'll still buy this figure. Overall it is a great set! AFA said He does not have the full new tattoo as this figure was in development before his return. Once he returned we were able to switch the graphic on his shirt but it was too late to add more deco detail to his back tattoo. That’ll come on a future figure. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 25, 2021 11:07:16 GMT -5
Legends wave 10 is pretty solid....Im in for all 4 of those. Nice touch having Beefcake come with the silver tagger too...
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jan 25, 2021 11:34:22 GMT -5
Every Legends 10 figure is better than the Legends 7 Bobby Heenan. We're gonna be looking at that one...  |
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jan 25, 2021 11:56:21 GMT -5
Big Names for me that have never been produced as a WWE ELITE MATTEL or in some cases never produced at all. World Champions, Hall of Famers, Headliners to name a few. Pedro Morales WWF CHAMPION IVAN KOLOFF WWF CHAMPION Ronnie Garvin WCW Champion Dory Funk NWA Champion Jack Briscoe NWA Champion Gorgeous George Nikita Koloff Bruiser Brody Abdullah The Butcher Crusher Blackwell Baron Von Rashke David Von Erich Steiner Brothers Rock n Roll Express Midnight Express The Great Muta Killer Khan Haku, Barbarian Jeff Jarrett Owen Hart Tony Atlas Samba Simba Black Jack Mulligan and Lanza Stan Hansen Ox Baker Wahoo McDaniel One Man Gang Big Cat ernie Ladd Ivan Putski Jessie The Body Ventura Ken Patera The Sheik Sabu Lou Albano Brother Love Jim Cornette Dr. Death Steve Williams David Schultz Koko B Ware How is that for a list?  |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 25, 2021 12:41:16 GMT -5
You are using the term legend very loosely here... Tanahashi was a top guy in the number two promotion in the world for over a decade and was the stop gap between New Japan's total collapse and the Bushiroad era. Okada is one of the biggest draws of the post Monday Night War wrestling world and was the guy Bushiroad hand picked when they bought New Japan and flooded the marketing money in and saved the company and the entire Japanese wrestling scene. An entire country's wrestling scene thrived because of him. If those two aren't considered modern legends, I don't want to hear about 2000s or 2010s WWE guys who were on top when the popularity slid or even crashed if we're talking about modern legends. Kenny has an argument too-- there's a major, successful promotion on TNT right now that exists in large part because of him--, and I get that this board has always skewed heavily towards "it only counts if it's WWE" but saying Okada and Tanahashi aren't legends is some real ignorant and uninformed thinking. Tanahashi is a legend. No doubt. I didn’t get that far because I was flabbergasted at the fact that someone would call Cody and Moxley “Legends.” It’s also too early to call Okada a legend. He had a legendary title reign. There’s a big, BIG difference. He’ll be referred to as a legend one day but he is not a legend yet. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 25, 2021 12:41:57 GMT -5
You are using the term legend very loosely here... I mean... WWE call Alicia Fox a "Legend", so... 🤷♂️ They are the only ones that do haha. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 25, 2021 12:43:38 GMT -5
You are using the term legend very loosely here... In Japan Okada and Tana definitely are and maybe even Omega is. And I think by the time they hang them up Mox and Cody definitely will. I think Mox already is after his WWE and AEW Title reign Saying “by the time they hang them up” is different then calling them a legend at the moment. And Moxley is not a “legend” for having ONE world title reign in each promotion. That’s just silly. Cody and Mox are still in their prime. Hold your horses before referring to them as legends. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 12:59:34 GMT -5
Not a big deal but I'll say it -- I'm not happy about that Cena being in this line.
Is he a legend? Yes.
Do I, personally want any wrestler past the Attitude Era in this line? No.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 13:16:29 GMT -5
It’s also too early to call Okada a legend. He had a legendary title reign. There’s a big, BIG difference. He’ll be referred to as a legend one day but he is not a legend yet. It's really not too early if you look at everything he's done since returning in 2012. He holds the record for most defenses of the IWGP Title, longest reign, was the big star Bushiroad poured the marketing money into to save New Japan when they bought it in 2012 and that company's turnaround saved the scene as a whole. His match with Kenny brought people into the fold that would have never even touched Japanese wrestling before and he's replaced Muta and Liger as everyone's pick for their favorite Japanese wrestler. Very few wrestlers in the last two decades have had the impact on their home promotion, much less the wrestling scene in that country (New Japan's resurgence after the Bushiroad buyout literally brought Japanese wrestling back from the brink, there were a lot of us that legitimately didn't know if certain companies would survive to 2013-2014), as Okada. He did what people pretend that Punk did in 2011 or Bryan did in 2014: he actually brought back fans and brought in a ton of new ones. More people in Japan (and internationally) are watching New Japan now than did a decade ago and that was built on his back. You don't have to wait 20 years to acknowledge that he's a legend, he's one right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 13:19:37 GMT -5
Not a big deal but I'll say it -- I'm not happy about that Cena being in this line. Is he a legend? Yes. Do I, personally want any wrestler past the Attitude Era in this line? No. I can respect this line of thinking. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 25, 2021 16:57:40 GMT -5
It’s also too early to call Okada a legend. He had a legendary title reign. There’s a big, BIG difference. He’ll be referred to as a legend one day but he is not a legend yet. It's really not too early if you look at everything he's done since returning in 2012. He holds the record for most defenses of the IWGP Title, longest reign, was the big star Bushiroad poured the marketing money into to save New Japan when they bought it in 2012 and that company's turnaround saved the scene as a whole. His match with Kenny brought people into the fold that would have never even touched Japanese wrestling before and he's replaced Muta and Liger as everyone's pick for their favorite Japanese wrestler. Very few wrestlers in the last two decades have had the impact on their home promotion, much less the wrestling scene in that country (New Japan's resurgence after the Bushiroad buyout literally brought Japanese wrestling back from the brink, there were a lot of us that legitimately didn't know if certain companies would survive to 2013-2014), as Okada. He did what people pretend that Punk did in 2011 or Bryan did in 2014: he actually brought back fans and brought in a ton of new ones. More people in Japan (and internationally) are watching New Japan now than did a decade ago and that was built on his back. You don't have to wait 20 years to acknowledge that he's a legend, he's one right now. He’s 33 years old. He’s still in his prime. He’s not a legend... yet. We obviously have different definitions of the word. If the only one you can argue is okada then that still proves my point. NO ONE should be calling Cody Rhodes or Jon Moxley a legend. That’s laughable. Also, that’s a little presumptuous to think that EVERYONES favorite Japanese wrestler is Okada. That’s just downright false. Maybe a ton of people would vote for him as the best wrestler but he’s not the most popular wrestler in NJPW. Simply debatable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 17:48:36 GMT -5
It's really not too early if you look at everything he's done since returning in 2012. He holds the record for most defenses of the IWGP Title, longest reign, was the big star Bushiroad poured the marketing money into to save New Japan when they bought it in 2012 and that company's turnaround saved the scene as a whole. His match with Kenny brought people into the fold that would have never even touched Japanese wrestling before and he's replaced Muta and Liger as everyone's pick for their favorite Japanese wrestler. Very few wrestlers in the last two decades have had the impact on their home promotion, much less the wrestling scene in that country (New Japan's resurgence after the Bushiroad buyout literally brought Japanese wrestling back from the brink, there were a lot of us that legitimately didn't know if certain companies would survive to 2013-2014), as Okada. He did what people pretend that Punk did in 2011 or Bryan did in 2014: he actually brought back fans and brought in a ton of new ones. More people in Japan (and internationally) are watching New Japan now than did a decade ago and that was built on his back. You don't have to wait 20 years to acknowledge that he's a legend, he's one right now. He’s 33 years old. He’s still in his prime. He’s not a legend... yet. We obviously have different definitions of the word. If the only one you can argue is okada then that still proves my point. NO ONE should be calling Cody Rhodes or Jon Moxley a legend. That’s laughable. Also, that’s a little presumptuous to think that EVERYONES favorite Japanese wrestler is Okada. That’s just downright false. Maybe a ton of people would vote for him as the best wrestler but he’s not the most popular wrestler in NJPW. Simply debatable. He's 33 and has been working the most physically demanding style in the world for nine years. He's not in his prime anymore, he's not even what ve was when he worked with Kenny. He's an all time great worker, a legitimate drawing card and he's historically significant. That's a legend by any definition regardless of his age. I also argued Tanahashi and Kenny...because they both have solid arguments. Both are historically significant, both have track records of being among the best in the world at various points in the last decade and the wrestling landscape as it is now would look VERY different without them. Again, track record + drawing ability (Kenny drew the highest PPV buyrate of any non-WWF/WCW promotion ever and did so at a $50 price point in an era where the Network had existed for 5 years...you can't argue this point) + historical significance = legends. You're caught up on their age, not their accomplishments and significance which is what makes legends. I never said anything about Moxley or Cody either, so I'm not sure why you referenced them to me. I didn't say their names. Neither of them have really done anything on the level of the other three. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 25, 2021 19:32:02 GMT -5
He’s 33 years old. He’s still in his prime. He’s not a legend... yet. We obviously have different definitions of the word. If the only one you can argue is okada then that still proves my point. NO ONE should be calling Cody Rhodes or Jon Moxley a legend. That’s laughable. Also, that’s a little presumptuous to think that EVERYONES favorite Japanese wrestler is Okada. That’s just downright false. Maybe a ton of people would vote for him as the best wrestler but he’s not the most popular wrestler in NJPW. Simply debatable. He's 33 and has been working the most physically demanding style in the world for nine years. He's not in his prime anymore, he's not even what ve was when he worked with Kenny. He's an all time great worker, a legitimate drawing card and he's historically significant. That's a legend by any definition regardless of his age. I also argued Tanahashi and Kenny...because they both have solid arguments. Both are historically significant, both have track records of being among the best in the world at various points in the last decade and the wrestling landscape as it is now would look VERY different without them. Again, track record + drawing ability (Kenny drew the highest PPV buyrate of any non-WWF/WCW promotion ever and did so at a $50 price point in an era where the Network had existed for 5 years...you can't argue this point) + historical significance = legends. You're caught up on their age, not their accomplishments and significance which is what makes legends. I never said anything about Moxley or Cody either, so I'm not sure why you referenced them to me. I didn't say their names. Neither of them have really done anything on the level of the other three. I am referencing Mox and Cody because they were named in the original post that I responded to. You argued for the others when my main gripe was about Mox and Cody. Tanahashi is a legend as I already stated but Kenny and Okada are debatable. But using the term legend to describe Cody and Mox is definitely using the term incorrectly. Kenny is not a legend just because he sold a $50 pay per view. The guy had one short world championship reign in NJPW and is a current world champion in a new organization. Far from being a legend... How about you read the original post I responded to before trying to join the conversation after the fact? |
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Post by crush on Jan 25, 2021 20:04:51 GMT -5
He's 33 and has been working the most physically demanding style in the world for nine years. He's not in his prime anymore, he's not even what ve was when he worked with Kenny. He's an all time great worker, a legitimate drawing card and he's historically significant. That's a legend by any definition regardless of his age. I also argued Tanahashi and Kenny...because they both have solid arguments. Both are historically significant, both have track records of being among the best in the world at various points in the last decade and the wrestling landscape as it is now would look VERY different without them. Again, track record + drawing ability (Kenny drew the highest PPV buyrate of any non-WWF/WCW promotion ever and did so at a $50 price point in an era where the Network had existed for 5 years...you can't argue this point) + historical significance = legends. You're caught up on their age, not their accomplishments and significance which is what makes legends. I never said anything about Moxley or Cody either, so I'm not sure why you referenced them to me. I didn't say their names. Neither of them have really done anything on the level of the other three. I am referencing Mox and Cody because they were named in the original post that I responded to. You argued for the others when my main gripe was about Mox and Cody. Tanahashi is a legend as I already stated but Kenny and Okada are debatable. But using the term legend to describe Cody and Mox is definitely using the term incorrectly. Kenny is not a legend just because he sold a $50 pay per view. The guy had one short world championship reign in NJPW and is a current world champion in a new organization. Far from being a legend... How about you read the original post I responded to before trying to join the conversation after the fact? I’m pretty sure if you go back and read the original post, Cody and Mox came up as “stars who’ve been made in the last 20 years” not Legends, which is a pretty distinct difference. |
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Post by crush on Jan 25, 2021 20:08:17 GMT -5
Not a big deal but I'll say it -- I'm not happy about that Cena being in this line. Is he a legend? Yes. Do I, personally want any wrestler past the Attitude Era in this line? No. Post-Attitude era is just about 20 years ago. By that logic pretty much no one Jakks put in the classic superstars line should have qualified. Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think looks from the late 2000s/early 2010 should qualify (outside of an outlier case like Shawn Michaels or Undertaker) but I don’t see how the 02/03 era wouldn’t qualify. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 25, 2021 20:31:25 GMT -5
Cena is a bigger legend than Warrior and we have gotten like 5 of him in this line.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 25, 2021 20:42:49 GMT -5
That Cena attire is the same distance from the current day as some of the attires were in the original legends line when they were made. Eddie Guerrero was only 7 years prior to his release
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 20:53:20 GMT -5
He's 33 and has been working the most physically demanding style in the world for nine years. He's not in his prime anymore, he's not even what ve was when he worked with Kenny. He's an all time great worker, a legitimate drawing card and he's historically significant. That's a legend by any definition regardless of his age. I also argued Tanahashi and Kenny...because they both have solid arguments. Both are historically significant, both have track records of being among the best in the world at various points in the last decade and the wrestling landscape as it is now would look VERY different without them. Again, track record + drawing ability (Kenny drew the highest PPV buyrate of any non-WWF/WCW promotion ever and did so at a $50 price point in an era where the Network had existed for 5 years...you can't argue this point) + historical significance = legends. You're caught up on their age, not their accomplishments and significance which is what makes legends. I never said anything about Moxley or Cody either, so I'm not sure why you referenced them to me. I didn't say their names. Neither of them have really done anything on the level of the other three. I am referencing Mox and Cody because they were named in the original post that I responded to. You argued for the others when my main gripe was about Mox and Cody. Tanahashi is a legend as I already stated but Kenny and Okada are debatable. But using the term legend to describe Cody and Mox is definitely using the term incorrectly. Kenny is not a legend just because he sold a $50 pay per view. The guy had one short world championship reign in NJPW and is a current world champion in a new organization. Far from being a legend... How about you read the original post I responded to before trying to join the conversation after the fact? The PPV was an indication of his drawing power, not my entire argument for him being a legend. As for his title reign in New Japan, again, you're missing the significance of him ending the longest reign ever and doing so while expanding a Japanese promotion's reach fsrther than it had ever gone. He's considered by a lot of people to be one of the best wrestlers of his generation and he's had an impact on the in ring style across all of pro wrestling in the last five years. That's not a legend because he only had the IWGP Title for seven months when as a foreigner which isn't a common thing in that company? Okay buddy. |
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Post by Yayo on Jan 25, 2021 20:55:56 GMT -5
I ordered E84 Reigns, can’t wait to get a Tribal Chief figure of him. Now I need that last Goldberg with the Blueniversal title
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I dont know good luck 
