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Post by LA Times on Jan 31, 2021 18:30:39 GMT -5
When you say Asuka, Kairi Sane and Io Shirai are the 3 best women's wrestlers in the WWE, that is an opinion (maybe a popular one), but not a fact. That is just like saying Ronda Rousey is the best women's wrestler or Eva Marie and the Bella Twins were the worst women's wrestlers ever. Those are opinions, not facts. No, that's definitely a fact. What other women performers has had the in ring ability IQ's such as the three? No one else really comes to mind. You could argue the likes of Sasha or Toni, but if you really look and compare their in ring skills to the former, they're not even close. There's a reason why Io, Kairi, and even though she never appeared in the E, Mayu Iwatani were considered as three of the best women wrestlers of all time. Not everybody likes Japanese wrestling, so maybe there are people out there who might think Asuka, Kairi Sane or Io Shirai suck or not the best. And whether you think somebody is good or sucks is a matter of opinion. Is CM Punk being the Best in the World a fact or opinion?
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Post by warlord on Jan 31, 2021 18:47:32 GMT -5
No, that's definitely a fact. What other women performers has had the in ring ability IQ's such as the three? No one else really comes to mind. You could argue the likes of Sasha or Toni, but if you really look and compare their in ring skills to the former, they're not even close. There's a reason why Io, Kairi, and even though she never appeared in the E, Mayu Iwatani were considered as three of the best women wrestlers of all time. Not everybody likes Japanese wrestling, so maybe there are people out there who might think Asuka, Kairi Sane or Io Shirai suck or not the best. And whether you think somebody is good or sucks is a matter of opinion. Is CM Punk being the Best in the World a fact or opinion? It's not just about Japanese wrestling... people can say that they suck all they want, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that their in ring skills are better than the entire E roster. Punk's "Best in the World" schtick is his tagline that he claims. He is great for sure, but definitely not the best in the world. That's like Asuka still currently saying her tagline, "Nobody's ready for Asuka", but Charlotte, Becky, and whoever else has beaten her were ready for Asuka. You can't really compare a tagline that someone states to in ring performance.
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jan 31, 2021 19:42:56 GMT -5
Here’s a fact. Women’s wrestling has always sucked. And I’ve never heard anybody claim the Bella twins were good. You tell em Pa. They should stick to cheerleading and such. * deep eye roll* Ah you got me. Thats clearly the statement I was trying to make. How dare I find their sloppy matches and lack of storytelling boring. It must mean I think they should be cheerleaders and such. I think you should stick to deep eye rolls. Pa.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 31, 2021 19:43:49 GMT -5
You tell em Pa. They should stick to cheerleading and such. * deep eye roll* Ah you got me. Thats clearly the statement I was trying to make. How dare I find their sloppy matches and lack of storytelling boring. It must mean I think they should be cheerleaders and such. I think you should stick to deep eye rolls. Pa. By that logic 95% of wwe mens wrestling sucks. Yet here you are.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jan 31, 2021 19:50:35 GMT -5
Here's also a fact. Hulk Hogan sucks. Here's an actual fact, you haven't spouted one fact yet, just opinions. Hogan being a politician is a fact, Hogan sucking is an opinion, and considering that he can be argued as both the best babyface and best heel of all time, it's a pretty poor one (in my opinion). As for the aforementioned ladies, it can easily be argued that others are better based on what people want to see. Unless you can come up with a scientific, peer-reviewed bit of evidence that states that these women are the best in-ring performers in the history of WWE women't wrestling, then it isn't true. I love Asuka, don't get me wrong. She is, in my opinion, the best in-ring wrestler the WWE women's division has ever had, but it's not a fact, and you're just trolling.
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jan 31, 2021 20:02:28 GMT -5
Ah you got me. Thats clearly the statement I was trying to make. How dare I find their sloppy matches and lack of storytelling boring. It must mean I think they should be cheerleaders and such. I think you should stick to deep eye rolls. Pa. By that logic 95% of wwe mens wrestling sucks. Yet here you are. Here I am. A fan of wrestling from when matches and storytelling were good. On a wrestling board. I must be lost.
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Post by warlord on Jan 31, 2021 20:06:32 GMT -5
Here's also a fact. Hulk Hogan sucks. Here's an actual fact, you haven't spouted one fact yet, just opinions. Hogan being a politician is a fact, Hogan sucking is an opinion, and considering that he can be argued as both the best babyface and best heel of all time, it's a pretty poor one (in my opinion). As for the aforementioned ladies, it can easily be argued that others are better based on what people want to see. Unless you can come up with a scientific, peer-reviewed bit of evidence that states that these women are the best in-ring performers in the history of WWE women't wrestling, then it isn't true. I love Asuka, don't get me wrong. She is, in my opinion, the best in-ring wrestler the WWE women's division has ever had, but it's not a fact, and you're just trolling. Nice of you to take only my quote instead of quoting my quote with the quote that I quoted too. Seems you didn't read this, "Here’s a fact. Women’s wrestling has always sucked. And I’ve never heard anybody claim the Bella twins were good.". They're both opinions and if you didn't understand, I was making a joke out of that other person's statement.
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Post by ilikekqueen on Jan 31, 2021 21:29:53 GMT -5
You tell em Pa. They should stick to cheerleading and such. * deep eye roll* Ah you got me. Thats clearly the statement I was trying to make. How dare I find their sloppy matches and lack of storytelling boring. It must mean I think they should be cheerleaders and such. I think you should stick to deep eye rolls. Pa. How........How much women’s wrestling from 2014 up have you watched??
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Post by mrh on Feb 1, 2021 2:54:13 GMT -5
WOW -- this really stayed on topic to "I'm surprised Io Shirai didn't sell better." Moderators?!
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Post by boz1515 on Feb 1, 2021 15:48:28 GMT -5
Back on topic, it appears that not enough people in the target audience know who she is. The ratings indicate that NXT isn't as widely viewed as the other shows. When I look at how slowly a lot of the NXT characters move, it appears not as many figure buying kids watch NXT like they do Raw and Smackdown. That's not a knock on her in ring ability or the quality of the figure. Adam Cole and Finn Balor basics don't move well either.
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Post by cldbld on Feb 1, 2021 17:10:18 GMT -5
I know who she is, and I don't care to have her in my collection.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 2, 2021 0:30:25 GMT -5
She's still not as big of a peg warmer as weasel suit Bobby Heenan.
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Post by mrh on Feb 2, 2021 2:54:00 GMT -5
She's still not as big of a peg warmer as weasel suit Bobby Heenan.
Agreed. That Heenan is killing being able to find new figures. I don't get how Targets only get 1 case of some things -- and then so many of Elite 7, which just sit and sit. I bet that's why it's impossible to find Royal Rumble exclusives. They probably ordered less...
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Post by JC Motors on Feb 4, 2021 18:23:39 GMT -5
She's still not as big of a peg warmer as weasel suit Bobby Heenan. I don't think the Furry fandom would touch that figure
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 4, 2021 19:03:40 GMT -5
She's still not as big of a peg warmer as weasel suit Bobby Heenan. I don't think the Furry fandom would touch that figure No fandom is touching it.
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Post by Artistix on Feb 4, 2021 21:44:46 GMT -5
Here’s a fact. Women’s wrestling has always sucked. ...Aside from those dark era's in WWE, the women do much the same work as the men. Jumping off ladders through announce desks etc. I guess it just doesn't count if you don't have a penis.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 21:58:41 GMT -5
Here’s a fact. Women’s wrestling has always sucked. ...Aside from those dark era's in WWE, the women do much the same work as the men. Jumping off ladders through announce desks etc. I guess it just doesn't count if you don't have a penis. Uh.... How did this quote get attributed to me? I'd appreciate you editing your post since that was "gentleman" Johnny, not me.
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Post by LK3 on Feb 4, 2021 22:05:26 GMT -5
...Aside from those dark era's in WWE, the women do much the same work as the men. Jumping off ladders through announce desks etc. I guess it just doesn't count if you don't have a penis. Uh.... How did this quote get attributed to me? I'd appreciate you editing your post since that was "gentleman" Johnny, not me. Bad quote job lol.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 5, 2021 1:46:14 GMT -5
I think as far as the prejudice against women's wrestling, some fans are just still stuck in their ways of growing up watching the women as a sideshow act, as valets or managers, who would only get physical on rare occasions. Or if they had an actual match, it was just a sideshow or bathroom break type of instance. Something to fill time in between what you really wanted.
Some people are just stubborn that the women can capable, exciting wrestlers and be amazing characters. I know some fans who still feel this way about women's MMA.
The Io Shirai figure hasn't been the hardest to find for me, but I've seen far more Roman Reigns and AJ Styles warming the pegs than her. I like Io Shirai a lot, but is she really one of the most popular stars on NXT? Is she a top merch seller? I mean she could be, dunno. I'm not sure I'd label her a peg warmer yet.
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Post by celflessness on Feb 5, 2021 16:26:27 GMT -5
Little boys are less likely to buy action figures of women than they are to buy men. Because society. Because more likely to idolize male characters. Because women.s figure look like dolls. It doesn't matter how talented the wrestler, or how nice the figure is, there's always going to be an uphill struggle there. So it's no surprise to me that he figure isn't selling out everywhere, despite being a first time in line.
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