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Post by The Lion's Den on Feb 3, 2021 16:52:20 GMT -5
And don't go into $100,000 in debt to get a major in gender studies or liberal arts, that's a path straight to failure. Definitely; if your going to college I think the issue is; when gets get out of HS it’s like a social contract you must go to college to be successful. And parents pressure they’re kids; and they don’t even know what the f—k they want. And they end up changing majors 3 times. Honestly; if you do have feeling you’ll need college education to get further in your career but your not narrowed. Go to community college and knock out your pre reqs. But; that and understand the logistics of your major. If you get bachelors in say psychology; understand how far or how in demand it goes. Because; that degree for example is very generic. It’s good for law enforcement and teaching; but it really doesn’t get you anywhere in the state of NM if it isn’t a masters. The logistics don’t seem right at all; my aunt pressured me into being a social worker. So go to school 4 years and rack up debit; just to make $30,000 before taxes a year? That’s bs to me. I lost my scholarship; my sophomore year. Due; I struggled in math and science and had very low failing grades while the rest of my courses were good-exemplary. I do wish I had that opportunity still; and I do get sad seeing my friends pre covid having fun college times and partying they’re asses off. And I loved just going and hanging out on the university grounds in my city. However I’m glad I didn’t go; because I know I would of went nuts. And I would be the I changed my major 5 times kinda guy. The only tool I would use a degree for is; is ranking up in law enforcement. If I even plan on sticking around or want to play the politics. There’s lots of other options in trades; military; law enforcement; or some people just work for good company and move up. I mean I knew guy who started working at smithes at the age of 22 by the age of 28 he a assistant store gm manager making $90,000 and they helped him pay for his college in biz administration. Choices after high school get really sticky and confusing This. I was that guy who changed his mind and his major more than his underwear. I took 5 years to finish a 3 year degree in Canadian Politics. SO much pressure to go, when I was never ready. I have a learning disability, these environments are really difficult for someone like me. Not to say it shouldn't deter anyone, it's just a rigid system that doesn't accommodate people who are outliers (whatever the reason). My parents, old school as heck could never truly understand. Their generation was high school, university, job, kids, same job for 40 years, retire. At least that's how it was here. I think if I did it again I would have taken more time to learn about myself. Like you did. I think it's really important to do some of that work than it will be to get a degree. I am 15 years out of high school and still need to do that. There's no magic formula (as much as LinkedIn would like you to believe it). You have to get out there and live and have experiences, set goals, and move forward with life. I'll get there. I always wanted to get into law enforcement but it is incredibly competitive here in Canada, and especially the Toronto area where I grew up. This has been a great conversation y'all. I feel a little more at ease that my stresses are shared, but I am also learning from some of these posts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 17:59:32 GMT -5
Networking matters. Especially in competitive fields. Knowing the right people to give you a little vote of confidence, etc can be super important. A fair portion of the time the goal of the interview is barely about understanding if you can do the job. If you couldn't do the job they wouldn't be interviewing you. They're seeing who you are as a person and if you're going to fit in there. Not everywhere, but a lot of places. I remember going on my first interview post 2nd degree (I did the same thing everyone does, a degree straight out of school you'll never use. It was all covered financially though and I lost that coverage if I didn't go right away so I don't regret it at all). When I started the interview they asked me about myself, and the first thing I saw them write down was "Huskie athlete" (Huskies was our university team name). Don't get me wrong, how I answered the other questions mattered, and I did well with them, but the thing that actually got me high up the priority list of teachers to higher was being a varsity athlete. Every single other varsity athlete I know in my field has the same story. On the subject of college. I use my 2nd degree (not my 1st), and my wife uses her masters degree, couldn't actually have her job without it (Speech Therapy). Yeah we ain't doing all with a philosophy degree, but many degrees are useful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 18:24:41 GMT -5
My friend was a complete bumbler in HS. Didn’t go to college. Got his master electrician license, dude has everything.
If you don’t go to a big name school with established alumni connections you are wasting your money. Going to Harvard doesn’t give you a better education than a community college what it gives you is an admission into a club, a club others can’t even apply and get interviews for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 18:28:50 GMT -5
Networking matters. Especially in competitive fields. Knowing the right people to give you a little vote of confidence, etc can be super important. A fair portion of the time the goal of the interview is barely about understanding if you can do the job. If you couldn't do the job they wouldn't be interviewing you. They're seeing who you are as a person and if you're going to fit in there. Not everywhere, but a lot of places. I remember going on my first interview post 2nd degree (I did the same thing everyone does, a degree straight out of school you'll never use. It was all covered financially though and I lost that coverage if I didn't go right away so I don't regret it at all). When I started the interview they asked me about myself, and the first thing I saw them write down was "Huskie athlete" (Huskies was our university team name). Don't get me wrong, how I answered the other questions mattered, and I did well with them, but the thing that actually got me high up the priority list of teachers to higher was being a varsity athlete. Every single other varsity athlete I know in my field has the same story. On the subject of college. I use my 2nd degree (not my 1st), and my wife uses her masters degree, couldn't actually have her job without it (Speech Therapy). Yeah we ain't doing all with a philosophy degree, but many degrees are useful. Were You on the 2011 or 2014 team? Or both?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 18:32:03 GMT -5
Networking matters. Especially in competitive fields. Knowing the right people to give you a little vote of confidence, etc can be super important. A fair portion of the time the goal of the interview is barely about understanding if you can do the job. If you couldn't do the job they wouldn't be interviewing you. They're seeing who you are as a person and if you're going to fit in there. Not everywhere, but a lot of places. I remember going on my first interview post 2nd degree (I did the same thing everyone does, a degree straight out of school you'll never use. It was all covered financially though and I lost that coverage if I didn't go right away so I don't regret it at all). When I started the interview they asked me about myself, and the first thing I saw them write down was "Huskie athlete" (Huskies was our university team name). Don't get me wrong, how I answered the other questions mattered, and I did well with them, but the thing that actually got me high up the priority list of teachers to higher was being a varsity athlete. Every single other varsity athlete I know in my field has the same story. On the subject of college. I use my 2nd degree (not my 1st), and my wife uses her masters degree, couldn't actually have her job without it (Speech Therapy). Yeah we ain't doing all with a philosophy degree, but many degrees are useful. Were You on the 2011 or 2014 team? Or both?! I competed during my first degree, so like 2006-2010? Something like that. I didn't end up using all 5 years of eligibility (We get 5 years in Canada instead of 4 in NCAA). By the time I went back for degree number 2 in like 2015, I'd already well transitioned into coaching. I really thought the coaching was going to be my big ticket into teaching, but they cared more about the past as an athlete. I should add this also even contributed to multiple college summer jobs. I got told by multiple managers that the whole reason they interviewed and hired me is because I was an athlete. One said the reason she almost only hired athletes for the job was if you could balance school and varsity level sports, you could do the work and not whine about it. (Her words)
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Post by The Lion's Den on Feb 3, 2021 19:06:24 GMT -5
My friend was a complete bumbler in HS. Didn’t go to college. Got his master electrician license, dude has everything. If you don’t go to a big name school with established alumni connections you are wasting your money. Going to Harvard doesn’t give you a better education than a community college what it gives you is an admission into a club, a club others can’t even apply and get interviews for. No doubt trades is a good way to go, but you can't be a complete fool when you get to the trades either. Got to have some work ethic no matter what. Were You on the 2011 or 2014 team? Or both?! I competed during my first degree, so like 2006-2010? Something like that. I didn't end up using all 5 years of eligibility (We get 5 years in Canada instead of 4 in NCAA). By the time I went back for degree number 2 in like 2015, I'd already well transitioned into coaching. I really thought the coaching was going to be my big ticket into teaching, but they cared more about the past as an athlete. I should add this also even contributed to multiple college summer jobs. I got told by multiple managers that the whole reason they interviewed and hired me is because I was an athlete. One said the reason she almost only hired athletes for the job was if you could balance school and varsity level sports, you could do the work and not whine about it. (Her words) I've definitely heard that up here. Where in Canada/what university? I went to the University of Guelph those same years (give or take some extra years for shenanigans).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 19:39:27 GMT -5
I've definitely heard that up here. Where in Canada/what university? I went to the University of Guelph those same years (give or take some extra years for shenanigans). University of Sask. Man, Guelph has had some controversies in my sport over the past couple of years! (Track and Field -- Specifically Dave-Scott Thomas. Just crazy how long that got covered up. One of my good friends who also coaches had applied for a job to coach under DST. In hindsight he was very happy the entire advertisement was a sham and he didn't get it).
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 3, 2021 21:45:09 GMT -5
Definitely; if your going to college I think the issue is; when gets get out of HS it’s like a social contract you must go to college to be successful. And parents pressure they’re kids; and they don’t even know what the f—k they want. And they end up changing majors 3 times. Honestly; if you do have feeling you’ll need college education to get further in your career but your not narrowed. Go to community college and knock out your pre reqs. But; that and understand the logistics of your major. If you get bachelors in say psychology; understand how far or how in demand it goes. Because; that degree for example is very generic. It’s good for law enforcement and teaching; but it really doesn’t get you anywhere in the state of NM if it isn’t a masters. The logistics don’t seem right at all; my aunt pressured me into being a social worker. So go to school 4 years and rack up debit; just to make $30,000 before taxes a year? That’s bs to me. I lost my scholarship; my sophomore year. Due; I struggled in math and science and had very low failing grades while the rest of my courses were good-exemplary. I do wish I had that opportunity still; and I do get sad seeing my friends pre covid having fun college times and partying they’re asses off. And I loved just going and hanging out on the university grounds in my city. However I’m glad I didn’t go; because I know I would of went nuts. And I would be the I changed my major 5 times kinda guy. The only tool I would use a degree for is; is ranking up in law enforcement. If I even plan on sticking around or want to play the politics. There’s lots of other options in trades; military; law enforcement; or some people just work for good company and move up. I mean I knew guy who started working at smithes at the age of 22 by the age of 28 he a assistant store gm manager making $90,000 and they helped him pay for his college in biz administration. Choices after high school get really sticky and confusing This. I was that guy who changed his mind and his major more than his underwear. I took 5 years to finish a 3 year degree in Canadian Politics. SO much pressure to go, when I was never ready. I have a learning disability, these environments are really difficult for someone like me. Not to say it shouldn't deter anyone, it's just a rigid system that doesn't accommodate people who are outliers (whatever the reason). My parents, old school as heck could never truly understand. Their generation was high school, university, job, kids, same job for 40 years, retire. At least that's how it was here. I think if I did it again I would have taken more time to learn about myself. Like you did. I think it's really important to do some of that work than it will be to get a degree. I am 15 years out of high school and still need to do that. There's no magic formula (as much as LinkedIn would like you to believe it). You have to get out there and live and have experiences, set goals, and move forward with life. I'll get there. I always wanted to get into law enforcement but it is incredibly competitive here in Canada, and especially the Toronto area where I grew up. This has been a great conversation y'all. I feel a little more at ease that my stresses are shared, but I am also learning from some of these posts. I give you lots of credit for handling varsity sports and getting education. As well as the fact; you had a disability. If you don’t mind me asking; what is your disability? I actually was confronted by multiple math teachers; that think I have some form of learning disability in High School. And; I really wish I looked more into it; but the school didn’t care as it was January of my Senior year. I think what I’ve learned; and I’m no expert I’m only 20; you got to live quick and aggressive out there. Knock them on they’re ass with information and articulation when they interview you is my mindset. It’s never to late to get into Law Enforcement; you’re still definitely on the younger side to get in. Its not as hard in my State in the US;New Mexico because our crime rates are exploding. We would be Chicago and LA if our population would match it. And they’ll take anything so as long as it walks on two legs. My suggestion is if you ever do take it up; Corrections are more man hungry. It’s the worst job in LE; but that’s where I started and it’s a career in its on right. Idk how it is in Canada; but in the US it’s the red headed step child of law enforcement. But; you either can run with it bc it’s easier to rank up in or you can use it as platform for something more tailored to your needs. Definitely with previous generations it’s much simpler and clear cut. My dad was born in 1950 he had four kids before myself by the year 1980. And worked at a Crude Oil Refinery with Chevron when he was 17 until he was 50 on top of being in the Army Reserves. Very clear cut; Chevron is still good job to this day. But; my dad was a first line supervisor and stayed that way and supported his family, and ended his career in 2000 making $80,000 a year. His dad; lifted beer kegs for living after serving in WW2. And my grandma worked for AT and T for god knows how long. It just literally seemed like you graduated either got into college or got hooked up working somewhere real young and did load of years. And my dad always told me life is about who you know; and he’s more and more right. One of my buddies I went to the correction officer academy with; he later left to go to the state pen. Where hopefully I plan on reuniting with him. But; his grandpa was living legend at the pen he started in 1974; he retired in 2008; only to come back 4 months later and do 11 more years till he passed. He saw the Santa Fe prison riots and dedicated his whole adult life. He was 20 when he started. Became captain of the gang unit. My tattoo artist actually was locked up; and came into contact with him. And he said the guy ate slept and breathed the penitentiary. Total badass of a guy. And his son now; he’s good officer but no doubt his grandpas name will have shoot up the ranks. But it scares me; I guess our generation does have more complex issues. And I think I don’t know; I really don’t see myself staying somewhere my whole lifetime. To be 20 year old; to a father with family; to grandfather and age with that job scares me. But it’s different time. It was totally normal in the day to have your mom work for local drug store and be taken of her by her boss. Companies don’t take care of they’re people as much I see it. And; I think switching jobs every few years to move up and advance is good thing. I just don’t see anywhere worth it to hang out that long unless your in a golden spot This thread has been; and a very good talk with others and it’s been helping get my head in the game because it’s been struggle getting my head to where it needs to be lately.
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Post by CM Tusk on Feb 3, 2021 23:10:13 GMT -5
Didn’t go to college and make about $48,000 a year. I lucked out though. I know even with the pandemic going on, there are jobs out there. Just harder to come by without experience or work history. Being under 18 already makes it difficult too.
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Post by acura143 on Feb 4, 2021 22:11:17 GMT -5
I’ve been lucky and been working in my current job for over 10 years but I remember the job search process as a total cluster f***.
What we really bug me when I would get an interview and I would go thinking it was for a job but it was actually it was a sale pitch to get into a course to obtain your certification. I’m in the IT field. They would never be up front about it until they start selling your a 1 year course or more.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Feb 5, 2021 0:55:17 GMT -5
This. I was that guy who changed his mind and his major more than his underwear. I took 5 years to finish a 3 year degree in Canadian Politics. SO much pressure to go, when I was never ready. I have a learning disability, these environments are really difficult for someone like me. Not to say it shouldn't deter anyone, it's just a rigid system that doesn't accommodate people who are outliers (whatever the reason). My parents, old school as heck could never truly understand. Their generation was high school, university, job, kids, same job for 40 years, retire. At least that's how it was here. I think if I did it again I would have taken more time to learn about myself. Like you did. I think it's really important to do some of that work than it will be to get a degree. I am 15 years out of high school and still need to do that. There's no magic formula (as much as LinkedIn would like you to believe it). You have to get out there and live and have experiences, set goals, and move forward with life. I'll get there. I always wanted to get into law enforcement but it is incredibly competitive here in Canada, and especially the Toronto area where I grew up. This has been a great conversation y'all. I feel a little more at ease that my stresses are shared, but I am also learning from some of these posts. I give you lots of credit for handling varsity sports and getting education. As well as the fact; you had a disability. If you don’t mind me asking; what is your disability? I actually was confronted by multiple math teachers; that think I have some form of learning disability in High School. And; I really wish I looked more into it; but the school didn’t care as it was January of my Senior year. I think what I’ve learned; and I’m no expert I’m only 20; you got to live quick and aggressive out there. Knock them on they’re ass with information and articulation when they interview you is my mindset. It’s never to late to get into Law Enforcement; you’re still definitely on the younger side to get in. Its not as hard in my State in the US;New Mexico because our crime rates are exploding. We would be Chicago and LA if our population would match it. And they’ll take anything so as long as it walks on two legs. My suggestion is if you ever do take it up; Corrections are more man hungry. It’s the worst job in LE; but that’s where I started and it’s a career in its on right. Idk how it is in Canada; but in the US it’s the red headed step child of law enforcement. But; you either can run with it bc it’s easier to rank up in or you can use it as platform for something more tailored to your needs. Definitely with previous generations it’s much simpler and clear cut. My dad was born in 1950 he had four kids before myself by the year 1980. And worked at a Crude Oil Refinery with Chevron when he was 17 until he was 50 on top of being in the Army Reserves. Very clear cut; Chevron is still good job to this day. But; my dad was a first line supervisor and stayed that way and supported his family, and ended his career in 2000 making $80,000 a year. His dad; lifted beer kegs for living after serving in WW2. And my grandma worked for AT and T for god knows how long. It just literally seemed like you graduated either got into college or got hooked up working somewhere real young and did load of years. And my dad always told me life is about who you know; and he’s more and more right. One of my buddies I went to the correction officer academy with; he later left to go to the state pen. Where hopefully I plan on reuniting with him. But; his grandpa was living legend at the pen he started in 1974; he retired in 2008; only to come back 4 months later and do 11 more years till he passed. He saw the Santa Fe prison riots and dedicated his whole adult life. He was 20 when he started. Became captain of the gang unit. My tattoo artist actually was locked up; and came into contact with him. And he said the guy ate slept and breathed the penitentiary. Total badass of a guy. And his son now; he’s good officer but no doubt his grandpas name will have shoot up the ranks. But it scares me; I guess our generation does have more complex issues. And I think I don’t know; I really don’t see myself staying somewhere my whole lifetime. To be 20 year old; to a father with family; to grandfather and age with that job scares me. But it’s different time. It was totally normal in the day to have your mom work for local drug store and be taken of her by her boss. Companies don’t take care of they’re people as much I see it. And; I think switching jobs every few years to move up and advance is good thing. I just don’t see anywhere worth it to hang out that long unless your in a golden spot This thread has been; and a very good talk with others and it’s been helping get my head in the game because it’s been struggle getting my head to where it needs to be lately. I didn't play varsity sports but I play beer leagues like a champ :-) My learning disability or whatever the proper term is dyslexia and ADD. It comes out in certain contexts and subjects. That's part of my frustration, school tailors to the average and isn't flexible for certain types of people. But hey, I figured out a way to get it done somehow. Played to my strengths I guess. Law enforcement is too tough up here now. Some of our provincial and federal police require relocation at their choice and that's not really possible anymore.
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