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Post by BoJack Hogan on Feb 15, 2021 14:00:45 GMT -5
Black. They aren’t even using him, and he has crazy potential. He can talk as well.
2nd choice - Ricochet
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Mar 1, 2021 1:28:31 GMT -5
There are a lot of people I’d like to see come out of retirement. 😉 I’d be great to have Tommy End and Ricochet back, but I’m torn between El Generico and Kevin Steen. I’d love to have both back. Honestly Kevin Owens is stale and unfixable. WWE ruined his hype and he's bland as all hell. A move to AEW with a name change back to Kevin Steen to help jumpstart his career would be a game changer for him. Have him participate in chaos like Moxley and do crazy **** like powerbombing people on man made ladder bridges. I can totally see AEW trying to recreate that scene from PWG. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 1, 2021 11:05:15 GMT -5
There are a lot of people I’d like to see come out of retirement. 😉 I’d be great to have Tommy End and Ricochet back, but I’m torn between El Generico and Kevin Steen. I’d love to have both back. Honestly Kevin Owens is stale and unfixable. WWE ruined his hype and he's bland as all hell. A move to AEW with a name change back to Kevin Steen to help jumpstart his career would be a game changer for him. Have him participate in chaos like Moxley and do crazy **** like powerbombing people on man made ladder bridges. I can totally see AEW trying to recreate that scene from PWG. That would make me so happy. Seeing him and Rami in AEW would be so much fun. Those guys are stars. |
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Post by vampiroporvida on Mar 1, 2021 11:28:45 GMT -5
There are a lot of people I’d like to see come out of retirement. 😉 I’d be great to have Tommy End and Ricochet back, but I’m torn between El Generico and Kevin Steen. I’d love to have both back. Honestly Kevin Owens is stale and unfixable. WWE ruined his hype and he's bland as all hell. A move to AEW with a name change back to Kevin Steen to help jumpstart his career would be a game changer for him. Have him participate in chaos like Moxley and do crazy **** like powerbombing people on man made ladder bridges. I can totally see AEW trying to recreate that scene from PWG. Gorilla Warfare?!!? We would need a Super Dragon appearance to make it perfection. clap×clap×clap |
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Post by Path 2 Glory on Mar 2, 2021 12:58:39 GMT -5
The Miz or Kevin Owens. I've seen enough flips and spins from Ricochet to last a lifetime.
They need more talkers. More people who can sell an angle or a feud.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 2, 2021 14:40:24 GMT -5
The Miz. I've seen enough flips and spins from Ricochet to last a lifetime. 😆😂🤣 |
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 2, 2021 16:52:37 GMT -5
The Miz has so much potential if they would let him work and be more of a bad ass. His stuff with Truth back in the lead up to that Summerslam match with Cena/Rock was good stuff. Miz can talk his arse off. He can sell and get anything over. He’s a safe worker. We laugh but he is in the category of an MJF in terms of capabilities. Vince and WWE have just ruined him to wrestling audiences.
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Post by K5 on Mar 3, 2021 13:09:17 GMT -5
The Miz has so much potential if they would let him work and be more of a bad ass. His stuff with Truth back in the lead up to that Summerslam match with Cena/Rock was good stuff. Miz can talk his arse off. He can sell and get anything over. He’s a safe worker. We laugh but he is in the category of an MJF in terms of capabilities. Vince and WWE have just ruined him to wrestling audiences. Miz is one of the most boring wrestlers in ring there has been since Backlund. MJF is a fantastic throwback heel worker. as I've said, MJF has had more memorable moments and matches in a little over a year than miz has had in his entire butthole career. |
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 3, 2021 17:09:00 GMT -5
The Miz has so much potential if they would let him work and be more of a bad ass. His stuff with Truth back in the lead up to that Summerslam match with Cena/Rock was good stuff. Miz can talk his arse off. He can sell and get anything over. He’s a safe worker. We laugh but he is in the category of an MJF in terms of capabilities. Vince and WWE have just ruined him to wrestling audiences. Miz is one of the most boring wrestlers in ring there has been since Backlund. MJF is a fantastic throwback heel worker. as I've said, MJF has had more memorable moments and matches in a little over a year than miz has had in his entire butthole career. lol Miz main evented a Wrestlemania and beat Cena at it. That trumps MJFs entire career up to this point. MJF is super talented don’t get me wrong, but you missed the Mark. If you can’t see the talent and potential of Miz if given different circumstances then I don’t know what to tell you. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 3, 2021 17:38:06 GMT -5
Miz is one of the most boring wrestlers in ring there has been since Backlund. MJF is a fantastic throwback heel worker. as I've said, MJF has had more memorable moments and matches in a little over a year than miz has had in his entire butthole career. lol Miz main evented a Wrestlemania and beat Cena at it. That trumps MJFs entire career up to this point. MJF is super talented don’t get me wrong, but you missed the Mark. If you can’t see the talent and potential of Miz if given different circumstances then I don’t know what to tell you. MJF makes Miz redundant. Miz isn't a great wrestler. MJF has been running laps around Miz this last year. When was the last excellent Miz in ring match? |
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Post by K5 on Mar 3, 2021 17:41:56 GMT -5
Miz is one of the most boring wrestlers in ring there has been since Backlund. MJF is a fantastic throwback heel worker. as I've said, MJF has had more memorable moments and matches in a little over a year than miz has had in his entire butthole career. lol Miz main evented a Wrestlemania and beat Cena at it. That trumps MJFs entire career up to this point. MJF is super talented don’t get me wrong, but you missed the Mark. If you can’t see the talent and potential of Miz if given different circumstances then I don’t know what to tell you. baron corbin retired Kurt Angle, but the fans in wrestling decide the reception. and they puked on it. I imagine you'd suggest corbin has had more moments than MJF too. the moments have to...matter. which the wwe product has actively been failing at more often than not and hasn't been creatively relevant for near decades. I've never watched his match with Cena and I think the majority just do not give the slightest  about it except those that swallow wwe narrative |
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 3, 2021 20:01:56 GMT -5
lol Miz main evented a Wrestlemania and beat Cena at it. That trumps MJFs entire career up to this point. MJF is super talented don’t get me wrong, but you missed the Mark. If you can’t see the talent and potential of Miz if given different circumstances then I don’t know what to tell you. baron corbin retired Kurt Angle, but the fans in wrestling decide the reception. and they puked on it. I imagine you'd suggest corbin has had more moments than MJF too. the moments have to...matter. which the wwe product has actively been failing at more often than not and hasn't been creatively relevant for near decades. I've never watched his match with Cena and I think the majority just do not give the slightest about it except those that swallow wwe narrative He Mai evented a WrestleMania. End of discussion. |
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Post by K5 on Mar 3, 2021 20:06:23 GMT -5
baron corbin retired Kurt Angle, but the fans in wrestling decide the reception. and they puked on it. I imagine you'd suggest corbin has had more moments than MJF too. the moments have to...matter. which the wwe product has actively been failing at more often than not and hasn't been creatively relevant for near decades. I've never watched his match with Cena and I think the majority just do not give the slightest about it except those that swallow wwe narrative He Mai evented a WrestleMania. End of discussion. so did Lawrence Taylor. |
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 3, 2021 20:44:15 GMT -5
He Mai evented a WrestleMania. End of discussion. so did Lawrence Taylor. And way more people know who LT is. Also LT did not pursue a full time wrestling career. He did however have a hall of fame game changing career in pro football and parlayed that into a big spot in wrestling for a match. |
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Post by K5 on Mar 3, 2021 21:17:06 GMT -5
And way more people know who LT is. Also LT did not pursue a full time wrestling career. He did however have a hall of fame game changing career in pro football and parlayed that into a big spot in wrestling for a match. and yet the match sucked. so perhaps wwe's product shouldn't be used as a reflection of what workers are actually capable and aren't. miz can talk, I'll give him that, but that's where it ends for him. guy couldn't exist in any other place and succeed than the vapid current wwe environment. our generation's bob backlund |
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Post by Path 2 Glory on Mar 3, 2021 22:41:00 GMT -5
In ring talent isn't the only thing in the world. Idk how many times ppl have to be reminded of that. The Rock? Butthole in the ring but charismatic as all hell. Hogan? Butthole in the ring. Charismatic as all hell. Now Im not saying Miz could be either of them by any stretch, but if he was given room to be free creatively you cannot honestly tell me he wouldn't be better in AEW. His best work was on Talking Smack and it was all him. You need people to hate. Hes very easy to hate. He doesnt have to be a master tactician, he might be boring but he's safe in the ring. Safer than some better workers like Rollins. Sure he's not the best guy they have but he still has so much room to grow. He has too big a personality to be kept in the WWE undercard and I think it would be a slight blow to their heel division and workers who are good on the mic.
I chose Owens for obvious reasons. Everyone else I could think of to say has already been said and its basically every indy darling anyways.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 3, 2021 23:15:22 GMT -5
Fantasy want: AJ Styles
Realistic want: Alister Black
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 4, 2021 7:56:34 GMT -5
In ring talent isn't the only thing in the world. Idk how many times ppl have to be reminded of that. The Rock? Butthole in the ring but charismatic as all hell. Hogan? Butthole in the ring. Charismatic as all hell. Now Im not saying Miz could be either of them by any stretch, but if he was given room to be free creatively you cannot honestly tell me he wouldn't be better in AEW. His best work was on Talking Smack and it was all him. You need people to hate. Hes very easy to hate. He doesnt have to be a master tactician, he might be boring but he's safe in the ring. Safer than some better workers like Rollins. Sure he's not the best guy they have but he still has so much room to grow. He has too big a personality to be kept in the WWE undercard and I think it would be a slight blow to their heel division and workers who are good on the mic. I chose Owens for obvious reasons. Everyone else I could think of to say has already been said and its basically every indy darling anyways. Thank you for common sense |
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Post by K5 on Mar 4, 2021 12:05:02 GMT -5
miz is like a road dogg or Enzo. can talk, but better suited with a work horse who can get it done in the ring. Morrison, Cass, Billy Gunn.
how that translates to 'needs to be main event!' in some people's heads is anyone's guess.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 4, 2021 12:18:56 GMT -5
And way more people know who LT is. Also LT did not pursue a full time wrestling career. He did however have a hall of fame game changing career in pro football and parlayed that into a big spot in wrestling for a match. and yet the match sucked. so perhaps wwe's product shouldn't be used as a reflection of what workers are actually capable and aren't. miz can talk, I'll give him that, but that's where it ends for him. guy couldn't exist in any other place and succeed than the vapid current wwe environment. our generation's bob backlund Miz is an example of a worker who’s received far more accomplishments than his skill-set seems worthy of. He’s the definition of a “Yes” man, and because of this, has remained with the WWE for nearly two decades where, like you said, in any other promotion he’d likely be gone after a few years at best. His mic skills are above average and his promos are usually better than most of the scripted WWE promos we’ve seen the past two decades. He’s also the definition of a “safe-WWE style” worker in the ring. The guy is beyond boring and unless he has someone else like Ziggler or Bryan carrying the match, there’s not one match form Miz where I’ve ever gone “man, you need to see that Miz” match. It’s all subjective, but I’m with you that MJF is an all around more entertaining performer. His match with Mox from last year is better than any match Miz has had in years, and his promos make you hate the character (rather than Miz who most hate simply because we know how annoying he is in real life and his punchable face). People can say Miz main evented WM all they want, but so did Sgt. Slaughter, King Kong Bundy, LT, and Sid (twice). Doesn’t mean much when his match is considered one of the worst WM main events. |
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