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Post by kennyw86v2 on Feb 7, 2021 19:24:54 GMT -5
But that's the thing, would you wear a singlet to a fight?
Not a wrestling match, not a weightlifting competition...a fight. If a dude shows up to fight me wearing a singlet I know off top he has no hands. So in a wwe match where I'm supposed to believe they are really fighting, it just looks ridiculous to me.
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Post by k5 on Feb 7, 2021 22:26:56 GMT -5
For the same reason NBA players dont wear coochie cutter shorts and the NFL doesnt wear leather helmets without facemask....Times change. Not to mention Greco roman wrestling & pro wrestling have very little in common. One is a sport, the other is a staged carny/entertainment act. pro wrestling literally formed out of real wrestling events becoming staged. they're very related, although time has estranged and differed them.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 7, 2021 22:32:30 GMT -5
For the same reason NBA players dont wear coochie cutter shorts and the NFL doesnt wear leather helmets without facemask....Times change. Not to mention Greco roman wrestling & pro wrestling have very little in common. One is a sport, the other is a staged carny/entertainment act. pro wrestling literally formed out of real wrestling events becoming staged. they're very related, although time has estranged and differed them. And american football originated from soccer & rugby but it still has very little in common with its predecessor. Todays pro wrestling is a FAR cry from the old smokey dives wrestling use to be in, little less the old carny days.
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Post by k5 on Feb 7, 2021 22:38:57 GMT -5
pro wrestling literally formed out of real wrestling events becoming staged. they're very related, although time has estranged and differed them. And american football originated from soccer & rugby but it still has very little in common with its predecessor. Todays pro wrestling is a FAR cry from the old smokey dives wrestling use to be in, little less the old carny days. fair enough. I consider the UFC actually closer in design to 1930s-1960s pro wrestling.
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Post by Valbroski on Feb 8, 2021 10:46:18 GMT -5
Too much cleavage.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Feb 8, 2021 16:28:41 GMT -5
pro wrestling literally formed out of real wrestling events becoming staged. they're very related, although time has estranged and differed them. And american football originated from soccer & rugby but it still has very little in common with its predecessor. Todays pro wrestling is a FAR cry from the old smokey dives wrestling use to be in, little less the old carny days. And that is a bad thing. Wrestling is supposed to be wrestling.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Feb 8, 2021 16:29:36 GMT -5
But that's the thing, would you wear a singlet to a fight? Not a wrestling match, not a weightlifting competition...a fight. If a dude shows up to fight me wearing a singlet I know off top he has no hands. So in a wwe match where I'm supposed to believe they are really fighting, it just looks ridiculous to me. You've clearly never had to pray for your friends to pry a rabid college wrestler off of you. A good wrestler will whip your ass even if he's naked.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Feb 8, 2021 17:01:18 GMT -5
But that's the thing, would you wear a singlet to a fight? Not a wrestling match, not a weightlifting competition...a fight. If a dude shows up to fight me wearing a singlet I know off top he has no hands. So in a wwe match where I'm supposed to believe they are really fighting, it just looks ridiculous to me. You've clearly never had to pray for your friends to pry a rabid college wrestler off of you. A good wrestler will whip your ass even if he's naked. Depends on how good. If you're talking your Olympic guys or even college standouts sure. When I was younger and more physically in shape, the wrestlers didnt have a clue how to defend a kimura or a kick.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Feb 9, 2021 2:11:17 GMT -5
The question is the post, but I'll add context. I've loved freestyle and greco-roman wrestling since I was seven, fell in love with professional wrestling in hopes of getting to wrestle when I realized I'd never be able to attend a college with a wrestling team. I freaking love singlets. They are the one outfit that is distinct to us wrestlers. Trunks are always mistaken for underwear, tights are literally just form fitting pants, and a shirt is just a shirt. But every other tom, dick and harry I have met in my wrestling days, from martial artists in Taekwondo and BJJ, to even the boys in my short tenure on the independents, to the carny style matches I would have for money with friends and bar patrons on a collection of rugs behind a bar, every other guy hates singlets. AND IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. I would agree. Even though pro wrestling's association with competitive wrestling is now far in the past, singlets are an indelible part of the spectacle. A singlet carries the aura of a guy who means business. Just imagine Kurt Angle in a pair of trunks. The visual immediately loses something vital because the singlet told the tale of what Angle was bringing to the table. I'm not sure why there's any kind of disdain for them. I've always preferred them to trunks, which are nothing more than fancy briefs. I've watched enough wrestlers pop out of their trunks to wonder why anyone would want to wrestle in them. On the flip side, when I look at wrestlers who wore full body suits (especially the masked ones), I always thought those would be confining and hot. A singlet is the perfect midway point between those extremes. The only legitimate criticism that I can think of is that they can be a little uncomfortable at first. A singlet needs a little breaking in to feel normal.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Feb 9, 2021 2:21:35 GMT -5
But that's the thing, would you wear a singlet to a fight? Not a wrestling match, not a weightlifting competition...a fight. If a dude shows up to fight me wearing a singlet I know off top he has no hands. So in a wwe match where I'm supposed to believe they are really fighting, it just looks ridiculous to me. You've clearly never had to pray for your friends to pry a rabid college wrestler off of you. A good wrestler will whip your ass even if he's naked. That's true. Folkstyle/Freestyle/Greco-Roman wrestling are, in effect, martial arts. The average person really has no clue how to fight in trapping or grappling range.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Feb 9, 2021 4:04:24 GMT -5
You've clearly never had to pray for your friends to pry a rabid college wrestler off of you. A good wrestler will whip your ass even if he's naked. That's true. Folkstyle/Freestyle/Greco-Roman wrestling are, in effect, martial arts. The average person really has no clue how to fight in trapping or grappling range. Literally the only reason I’m not missing an eye is because the drunk dude who tried me one night couldn’t mathematical his way out of a clean front face lock with my knuckle driven into his jaw so he couldn’t turn his head. I held him for a minute and half or so and he dropped. He just gave out like drunks do, fell right over. Now imagine if I had been Scott Steiner. That dude would have been in a different bar in one toss if he came at Scott with a dinner knife. The bar served food for context.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Feb 9, 2021 4:14:42 GMT -5
You've clearly never had to pray for your friends to pry a rabid college wrestler off of you. A good wrestler will whip your ass even if he's naked. Depends on how good. If you're talking your Olympic guys or even college standouts sure. When I was younger and more physically in shape, the wrestlers didnt have a clue how to defend a kimura or a kick. Alright I’ll give you that. If you’ve never trained in anything but wrestling, you’re not gonna know how to handle submission holds or strike. This sounds more like an issue with poor fighters than with clothing
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Feb 9, 2021 15:24:07 GMT -5
Depends on how good. If you're talking your Olympic guys or even college standouts sure. When I was younger and more physically in shape, the wrestlers didnt have a clue how to defend a kimura or a kick. Alright I’ll give you that. If you’ve never trained in anything but wrestling, you’re not gonna know how to handle submission holds or strike. This sounds more like an issue with poor fighters than with clothing It has a lot to do with the guys wearing them for sure, but isnt that normal? People get stereotyped based on clothes all the time whether its sagging pants or skinny jeans or whatever. Singlets usually are worn by less exciting wrestlers (in wwe). So it rubs off negatively
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Post by rowdy1971 on Feb 9, 2021 16:16:58 GMT -5
In over 18 years doing wrestling I've never heard one person say they hated singlets. I know a few who wear them and they are nicely decorated and airbrushed and they look cool. I guess, for me, if they are just plain looking I wouldn't like them as much but I would never hate it.
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Post by sonstuds on Feb 9, 2021 18:36:03 GMT -5
I was once robbed at gunpoint by a man in a wrestling singlet. I've been firmly against them ever since.
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Post by CM Poor on Feb 9, 2021 20:09:09 GMT -5
I didn't know that was a thing. Some of my favorite gears are singlets. Kurt Angle and Owen Hart always had great ones. RVD's are practically iconic. Mr. Perfect's wasn't even that elaborate but it fit him to a tee. I think that plenty of wrestlers have made the singlet work. To me, it's just a matter of what looks good on the individual. Triple H went from long tights to trunks, and I think the latter is a much more iconic look for him. Jericho looked like doodoo in trunks. No one style of gear is going to work for every wrestler...that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Feb 9, 2021 22:36:04 GMT -5
Alright I’ll give you that. If you’ve never trained in anything but wrestling, you’re not gonna know how to handle submission holds or strike. This sounds more like an issue with poor fighters than with clothing It has a lot to do with the guys wearing them for sure, but isnt that normal? People get stereotyped based on clothes all the time whether its sagging pants or skinny jeans or whatever. Singlets usually are worn by less exciting wrestlers (in wwe). So it rubs off negatively What is your definition of exciting? Because there is a point where a person likes so little about what is fundamental to wrestling that they don’t really like wrestling as much as they like spectacles and being entertained in the crudest and unrefined sense of the word.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Feb 10, 2021 11:33:15 GMT -5
It has a lot to do with the guys wearing them for sure, but isnt that normal? People get stereotyped based on clothes all the time whether its sagging pants or skinny jeans or whatever. Singlets usually are worn by less exciting wrestlers (in wwe). So it rubs off negatively What is your definition of exciting? Because there is a point where a person likes so little about what is fundamental to wrestling that they don’t really like wrestling as much as they like spectacles and being entertained in the crudest and unrefined sense of the word. That's a gray area from hell. Pro wrestling isnt meant to be competition wrestling. So you dont have to like competition wrestling to like pro wrestling.
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Post by Mclovin on Feb 10, 2021 15:11:08 GMT -5
What is your definition of exciting? Because there is a point where a person likes so little about what is fundamental to wrestling that they don’t really like wrestling as much as they like spectacles and being entertained in the crudest and unrefined sense of the word. That's a gray area from hell. Pro wrestling isnt meant to be competition wrestling. So you dont have to like competition wrestling to like pro wrestling. There is a middle ground between Ultimate Warrior (all show, no wrestling) and Chris Benoit (all wrestling, no show). That middle ground is where your Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angles, and Eddie Guerreros come in to play, the mix of actual wrestling ability and showmanship abilities. That is the fundamental idea for modern professional wrestling. WWE operated best when RAW was the entertainment brand and SmackDown was the wrestling show. You gotta have talking on Mondays, but we're fighting on Friday nights MAGGLE.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Feb 10, 2021 18:06:15 GMT -5
What is your definition of exciting? Because there is a point where a person likes so little about what is fundamental to wrestling that they don’t really like wrestling as much as they like spectacles and being entertained in the crudest and unrefined sense of the word. That's a gray area from hell. Pro wrestling isnt meant to be competition wrestling. So you dont have to like competition wrestling to like pro wrestling. I know this going to be a lot to take in, but wrestling was meant to be believed as a competition and a large chunk of the actions of the business that managed to make money have been wrong and should not have ever been done because they damaged the credibility of wrestling and made it harder for wrestling as it was intended to exist.
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