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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 16, 2021 4:20:10 GMT -5
That makes no sense. It was worth it enough to make a freaking Dean Malenko figure. If that's the case, they can do a Dino Bravo figure. In this case, I'm not sure his family would be against WWE honoring Dino Bravo in figure form if Zombie Sailor was able to make a deal with them. Dean Malenko didn’t work for and then get murdered by the mob. That’s where it’s an issue for WWE, as a publicly traded company. Malenko was also an agent backstage for WWE when Mattel requested WWE sign him to a legends deal. Still, we don’t have a Kidman, and he’s been backstage for 12 years. Then practically no one would ever get a figure again in WWE based on their past mis-deeds. WWE makes at least two Ultimate Warrior figures a year, and *AHEM*: deadspin.com/why-does-wwe-honor-the-ultimate-warrior-1833510376
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 16, 2021 9:07:46 GMT -5
Dean Malenko didn’t work for and then get murdered by the mob. That’s where it’s an issue for WWE, as a publicly traded company. Malenko was also an agent backstage for WWE when Mattel requested WWE sign him to a legends deal. Still, we don’t have a Kidman, and he’s been backstage for 12 years. Then practically no one would ever get a figure again in WWE based on their past mis-deeds. WWE makes at least two Ultimate Warrior figures a year, and *AHEM*: deadspin.com/why-does-wwe-honor-the-ultimate-warrior-1833510376Cool. You’re still not getting Dino Bravo from Mattel.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 16, 2021 14:05:05 GMT -5
Cool. You’re still not getting Dino Bravo from Mattel. That's not your decision.
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Post by CM Tusk on Feb 16, 2021 14:58:53 GMT -5
Cool. You’re still not getting Dino Bravo from Mattel. That's not your decision. It’s WWEs and they washed their hands of Bravo after his murder.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 16, 2021 15:21:32 GMT -5
Cool. You’re still not getting Dino Bravo from Mattel. That's not your decision. WWE hasn’t made him in over 35 years of having action figures. Maybe next year will be his year...
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Post by crush on Feb 16, 2021 15:48:18 GMT -5
I’m guessing WWE doesn’t want to extend a Legends deal to the family because of the circumstances of his death (which have been brought back into the spotlight by DSOTR) and because he’s bit a huge named, the potential ROI isn’t big enough to make a deal worth it. That makes no sense. It was worth it enough to make a freaking Dean Malenko figure. If that's the case, they can do a Dino Bravo figure. In this case, I'm not sure his family would be against WWE honoring Dino Bravo in figure form if Zombie Sailor was able to make a deal with them. Dean Malenko was working as road agent at the time, and wasn't murdered by the mafia for running cigarettes in a highly publicized hit that's only become more well known thanks to being the focus of a TV show WWE actively wants nothing to do with. Also, and frankly this is is the bigger factor, WWE is going to sign wrestlers to legends deals whom they feel they are going to get a large ROI on. For example, they will rehab the hell out of Ultimate Warrior's image because they know Warrior figures and tee shirts and etc. will sell. Ditto for Hogan, Savage, Scott Hall, and a litany of other guys who have things running the gamut from questionable to terrible in their respective pasts. Dino would likely get a figure (probably a Collector's Edition or Legends Sub-line figure at that) and not much else. Maybe a tee shirt on shop? That's probably not worth enough for WWE (in their mind) to justify being associated with his name. For their part, I'm sure Dino's family would welcome it.
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Feb 16, 2021 16:29:16 GMT -5
That makes no sense. It was worth it enough to make a freaking Dean Malenko figure. If that's the case, they can do a Dino Bravo figure. In this case, I'm not sure his family would be against WWE honoring Dino Bravo in figure form if Zombie Sailor was able to make a deal with them. Dean Malenko was working as road agent at the time, and wasn't murdered by the mafia for running cigarettes in a highly publicized hit that's only become more well known thanks to being the focus of a TV show WWE actively wants nothing to do with. Also, and frankly this is is the bigger factor, WWE is going to sign wrestlers to legends deals whom they feel they are going to get a large ROI on. For example, they will rehab the hell out of Ultimate Warrior's image because they know Warrior figures and tee shirts and etc. will sell. Ditto for Hogan, Savage, Scott Hall, and a litany of other guys who have things running the gamut from questionable to terrible in their respective pasts. Dino would likely get a figure (probably a Collector's Edition or Legends Sub-line figure at that) and not much else. Maybe a tee shirt on shop? That's probably not worth enough for WWE (in their mind) to justify being associated with his name. For their part, I'm sure Dino's family would welcome it. “bUt ToNs Of PeOpLe WaNt DiNo BrAvO!”
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 16, 2021 18:57:26 GMT -5
That makes no sense. It was worth it enough to make a freaking Dean Malenko figure. If that's the case, they can do a Dino Bravo figure. In this case, I'm not sure his family would be against WWE honoring Dino Bravo in figure form if Zombie Sailor was able to make a deal with them. Dean Malenko was working as road agent at the time, and wasn't murdered by the mafia for running cigarettes in a highly publicized hit that's only become more well known thanks to being the focus of a TV show WWE actively wants nothing to do with. Also, and frankly this is is the bigger factor, WWE is going to sign wrestlers to legends deals whom they feel they are going to get a large ROI on. For example, they will rehab the hell out of Ultimate Warrior's image because they know Warrior figures and tee shirts and etc. will sell. Ditto for Hogan, Savage, Scott Hall, and a litany of other guys who have things running the gamut from questionable to terrible in their respective pasts. Dino would likely get a figure (probably a Collector's Edition or Legends Sub-line figure at that) and not much else. Maybe a tee shirt on shop? That's probably not worth enough for WWE (in their mind) to justify being associated with his name. For their part, I'm sure Dino's family would welcome it. That logic makes no sense. You're blaming Dino Bravo for his own murder?
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 16, 2021 18:58:49 GMT -5
That's not your decision. WWE hasn’t made him in over 35 years of having action figures. Maybe next year will be his year... That's something that should be rectified.
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Post by crush on Feb 16, 2021 19:13:36 GMT -5
Dean Malenko was working as road agent at the time, and wasn't murdered by the mafia for running cigarettes in a highly publicized hit that's only become more well known thanks to being the focus of a TV show WWE actively wants nothing to do with. Also, and frankly this is is the bigger factor, WWE is going to sign wrestlers to legends deals whom they feel they are going to get a large ROI on. For example, they will rehab the hell out of Ultimate Warrior's image because they know Warrior figures and tee shirts and etc. will sell. Ditto for Hogan, Savage, Scott Hall, and a litany of other guys who have things running the gamut from questionable to terrible in their respective pasts. Dino would likely get a figure (probably a Collector's Edition or Legends Sub-line figure at that) and not much else. Maybe a tee shirt on shop? That's probably not worth enough for WWE (in their mind) to justify being associated with his name. For their part, I'm sure Dino's family would welcome it. That logic makes no sense. You're blaming Dino Bravo for his own murder? No, that's not the logic at all. The logic is that the potential return on investment for a Legends Deal with Dino Bravo's estate is likely not worth the headaches WWE thinks come with being associated with Dino's name because of how he died.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 16, 2021 19:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by wheeljack83 on Feb 16, 2021 19:19:15 GMT -5
That logic makes no sense. You're blaming Dino Bravo for his own murder? No, that's not the logic at all. The logic is that the potential return on investment for a Legends Deal with Dino Bravo's estate is likely not worth the headaches WWE thinks come with being associated with Dino's name because of how he died. So basically you are speculating on perceived headaches. Who is going to object to Bravo getting a new figure? I doubt there would be public outcry against it, when there was outcry against reinstating Hulk Hogan and the propping up of Ultimate Warrior despite their past transgressions. A company just made a deal with Bravo's estate to make a new figure for him...so where are the headaches there? I see none. Not to mention, any of the numerous talents with problematic backgrounds WWE continues to celebrate that could arguably invoke "headaches." Stone Cold Steve Austin. Macho Man Randy Savage. If this is about headaches, I can read a laundry list for you.
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Feb 16, 2021 19:52:30 GMT -5
No, that's not the logic at all. The logic is that the potential return on investment for a Legends Deal with Dino Bravo's estate is likely not worth the headaches WWE thinks come with being associated with Dino's name because of how he died. So basically you are speculating on perceived headaches. Who is going to object to Bravo getting a new figure? I doubt there would be public outcry against it, when there was outcry against reinstating Hulk Hogan and the propping up of Ultimate Warrior despite their past transgressions. A company just made a deal with Bravo's estate to make a new figure for him...so where are the headaches there? I see none. Not to mention, any of the numerous talents with problematic backgrounds WWE continues to celebrate that could arguably invoke "headaches." Stone Cold Steve Austin. Macho Man Randy Savage. If this is about headaches, I can read a laundry list for you. remember when dino bravo headlined multiple wrestlemanias? yea, neither do i.
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Post by crush on Feb 16, 2021 20:08:11 GMT -5
No, that's not the logic at all. The logic is that the potential return on investment for a Legends Deal with Dino Bravo's estate is likely not worth the headaches WWE thinks come with being associated with Dino's name because of how he died. So basically you are speculating on perceived headaches. Who is going to object to Bravo getting a new figure? I doubt there would be public outcry against it, when there was outcry against reinstating Hulk Hogan and the propping up of Ultimate Warrior despite their past transgressions. A company just made a deal with Bravo's estate to make a new figure for him...so where are the headaches there? I see none. Not to mention, any of the numerous talents with problematic backgrounds WWE continues to celebrate that could arguably invoke "headaches." Stone Cold Steve Austin. Macho Man Randy Savage. If this is about headaches, I can read a laundry list for you. -Judging by the fact that Marttel has spelled out that Bravo isn't getting a figure on these boards, it's a bit more than "speculating." -The "headaches" come from the circumstances of Bravo's death. I don't agree with it, but I can understand why WWE steers clear of that given the fact that the return on investment for signing Bravo's estate to a Legends deal is likely very small. -Zombie is an independent operation producing collectibles in small runs for collectors. That is a MUCH different scenario than a publicly traded multination corporation working with a massive children's toy company. -Did you not read my responses? I literally discussed the very names you're brining up. . The bottom line is, fair or not, Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Austin and etc. provide a much larger return on investment for WWE than Bravo would, (I would guess those four names combined generated more profit for WWE last weekend than Bravo's name would over the entire course of a legends deal) therefore WWE is totally willing to get into bed with them and rehabilitate their images because they know they will sell no matter what and WWE, like any company, likes money. It's highly unlikely they'll put that amount of effort or deal with the grief that comes with a Legends deal for a (in WWF) mid-carder who didn't even get an action figure 30+ year ago when he was active and wouldn't move any other kind of merchandise. TL:DR: I think it would be great for Bravo to get an Elite, but it's blatantly obvious why he's not on a Legends deal, and pretending it's not is head in the sand at its finest.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Feb 16, 2021 20:39:37 GMT -5
....hey how about those Killer Bees (trying to change the subject)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 20:45:47 GMT -5
That might be true for the most part but not always.
I doubt they got much of a ROI from the following but they still signed the wrestlers who portrayed these niche gimmicks to a legends deal:
Berzerker Boogeyman Warlord Red Rooster Magnum TA
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Feb 16, 2021 21:02:36 GMT -5
Bruh Mattel haven’t even made Test and you think they’re gonna go digging through gangster bs to make Dino Bravo? Lmao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 21:15:52 GMT -5
When did they say a Bravo figure would never happen, I don't recall reading that?!
Bravo's death had nothing to do with WWE, this all happened after they fired him and he left WWE.
ROI means nothing, the standard legends deal pays out peanuts- its a drop in the bucket financially for WWE so they won't be losing money by signing niche guys like Dino Bravo, Hercules or any of the other wrestlers listed in the OP.
The children's toy company has recently started making figures of a known porn star (Chyna)- is that appropriate for a kids toy line?! Face it, this dastardly duo (WWE & Mattel) only care about $$ and if there is money to be made from a controversial wrestler, they will sign them to a deal and ignore the moral issues of doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 21:31:12 GMT -5
....hey how about those Killer Bees (trying to change the subject)
They are not happening either as they are not on good terms with WWE. Brunzell specifically has some sort of beef with McMahon, likely why he joined the concussion lawsuit.
I don't think we will ever see Mattel figures made of following wrestlers, they are more likely to be made by Jazzwares (if their rumoured classic superstars line ever materializes):
Dino Bravo
Dynamite Kid Hercules King Kong Bundy Koko B Ware
Rick Martel Mr. Fuji Jacques Rougeau (Mountie or Rougeau Brothers)
The Killer Bees
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Post by crush on Feb 16, 2021 22:29:06 GMT -5
When did they say a Bravo figure would never happen, I don't recall reading that?!
Bravo's death had nothing to do with WWE, this all happened after they fired him and he left WWE. ROI means nothing, the standard legends deal pays out peanuts- its a drop in the bucket financially for WWE so they won't be losing money by signing niche guys like Dino Bravo, Hercules or any of the other wrestlers listed in the OP.
The children's toy company has recently started making figures of a known porn star (Chyna)- is that appropriate for a kids toy line?! Face it, this dastardly duo (WWE & Mattel) only care about $$ and if there is money to be made from a controversial wrestler, they will sign them to a deal and ignore the moral issues of doing so.
-Steve has said no Bravo numerous times. -Bravo’s death not happening while he was in WWE is irrelevant, especially with DSOTR making his story much more relevant in the last year. -I didn’t say WWE would lose money on the deal. I said that the return in investment for Bravo probably isn’t worth the effort that would go into rehabbing his image to them. -You can’t say “ROI isn’t important” while at the same time pointing out “Mattel and WWE are out to make money.” Of course that’s their objective to make money, and ROI is part of making money. -ROI in cases like this isn’t only financial. It’s also brand equity. From WWE’s perspective, they would be investing brand equity in equating Dino Bravo with WWE. As you said, they have done that with other questionable people, however you actually backed up the very point I’ve been trying to make, unintentionally I assume. Yes, they’re making the “porn star” Chyna because they know between multiple figures a year, tee-shirts, other paraphernalia (both solo and DX) Chyna will more than make up for whatever rehab to her reputation they have to do and whatever PR hits they MAY take for associating with her. It seems pretty clear that to WWE, the benefits of signing Dino Bravo to a legends deal don’t outweigh the issues that come with it right now. Obviously that could change in the future, and I hope it does. But at this moment, if they felt they would make a ton of money of Dino, they would sign him and rehab whatever image they wanted and swallow whatever they had to swallow.
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