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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 13:10:12 GMT -5
Mattel has become lazy as f...
They are not lazy, they have just become complacent which is what happens when one company has a product license for as long as Mattel has had it (same thing likely happened with Jakks who had the WWE license for longer than Mattel has had it). They are putting minimal effort into making these figures now because of all the cost cutting measures that this line has gone through the last few years and because they don't really need to put in a lot of effort. Mattel has no real competition (they are the only ones that have the license to make WWE figures) and the figures are selling like crazy thus no incentive to do more or in the case of the subject of this thread to use better parts and make the figure look great as opposed to just okay.
It would be nice to know the logic behind why they use the parts they use with certain figures- they have several different suit molds yet for some reason decided to use the sleeveless jacket they used with Virgil that has huge arm holes on the side thus causing them to paint the sides of the torso so the holes aren't as noticeable (only they are and it ruins the figure IMO).
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Post by mrh on Feb 19, 2021 3:43:01 GMT -5
Mattel has become lazy as f...
They are not lazy, they have just become complacent which is what happens when one company has a product license for as long as Mattel has had it (same thing likely happened with Jakks who had the WWE license for longer than Mattel has had it). They are putting minimal effort into making these figures now because of all the cost cutting measures that this line has gone through the last few years and because they don't really need to put in a lot of effort. Mattel has no real competition (they are the only ones that have the license to make WWE figures) and the figures are selling like crazy thus no incentive to do more or in the case of the subject of this thread to use better parts and make the figure look great as opposed to just okay.
It would be nice to know the logic behind why they use the parts they use with certain figures- they have several different suit molds yet for some reason decided to use the sleeveless jacket they used with Virgil that has huge arm holes on the side thus causing them to paint the sides of the torso so the holes aren't as noticeable (only they are and it ruins the figure IMO).
I disagree. It's clear from Steve's post on here and IG videos that he LOVES his job; so that's one person. I can't speak to the designers -- but I don't think it's fair to say they're all complacent.
But I do agree with some of these issues -- and hope they're dive in with even more passion to get things right. It's a figure -- so it's not an exact science, there ARE going to be hits and misses no matter what. Same with AEW and every company. They're just putting out too much content.
In the Hasbro/LJN days, it much easier to do better quality control on figure development
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 13:30:19 GMT -5
My comments were alluding to the design Team who make decisions on what a figure looks like, Steve is involved with marketing not design. He has been a great addition to the team IMO and has had a very positive influence on this line. I think a lot of the releases we have seen (legends wise) the past year or so have been his doing and likely would not have happened without him. Complacency happens, people get set in their ways after doing the same job for a long period of time. The basic design of elites have not changed since the line began, they are only now (11 years later) adding double jointed elbows, likely due to the launch Jazzwares AEW line who are producing better figures at the same price point as Mattel's WWE Elites. It also took them forever to introduce interchangeable hands and heads which many collectors had been wanting for a long time and are standard practice on other collectible lines.
I agree and I think this is another major reason (aside from cost cutting measures) as to why part selection is not being given the attention it should. They are producing too much and when designing a figure they just go with what is easiest & cheapest instead of what parts would be the most appropriate to use so the figure is accurate design and scale wise.
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Post by Gorilla on Feb 19, 2021 15:46:15 GMT -5
Looks fine to me. McMahon looks horrible
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Post by wut on Feb 19, 2021 17:10:34 GMT -5
I've been lurking on this site for a while and decided to chime in here after seeing this thread earlier in the week. The figure I received today is the exact same height as the prior release. You need to have the same headsculpt on to be comparing apples to apples as the laughing portrait is much larger than the older neutral one.
While both bucks are arguably undersized for Dibiase, he certainly didn't lose an inch or anything and at least the tux gives the appearance of a fuller torso.
Why his hair color is now even redder with far less definition in terms of shading/highlights (at least on my example) continues to be another matter...
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Post by mrh on Feb 20, 2021 1:43:51 GMT -5
I've been lurking on this site for a while and decided to chime in here after seeing this thread earlier in the week. The figure I received today is the exact same height as the prior release. You need to have the same headsculpt on to be comparing apples to apples as the laughing portrait is much larger than the older neutral one.
While both bucks are arguably undersized for Dibiase, he certainly didn't lose an inch or anything and at least the tux gives the appearance of a fuller torso.
Why his hair color is now even redder with far less definition in terms of shading/highlights (at least on my example) continues to be another matter...
Which figure is him in the trunks?
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Post by gtf_fangeek on Feb 20, 2021 8:01:54 GMT -5
I've been lurking on this site for a while and decided to chime in here after seeing this thread earlier in the week. The figure I received today is the exact same height as the prior release. You need to have the same headsculpt on to be comparing apples to apples as the laughing portrait is much larger than the older neutral one.
While both bucks are arguably undersized for Dibiase, he certainly didn't lose an inch or anything and at least the tux gives the appearance of a fuller torso. Why his hair color is now even redder with far less definition in terms of shading/highlights (at least on my example) continues to be another matter...
Which figure is him in the trunks?
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Post by wut on Feb 20, 2021 17:16:56 GMT -5
Correct, I was comparing the Legends 9 figure to the elite HOF and in order to do that properly, the crazed headsculpt needs to be attached on the new legends version.
The less expressive smirking headsculpt is smaller overall. If you have the current legends release and compare the two that are included even while both are unattached, the laughing head is noticeably bigger and likely sits differently on the body to boot.
So in short: I've you're comparing two figures and one has a smaller head, the figure as a whole is going to be shorter. Dibiase has a giant fat head which is partly what made him look like a bigger dude so the laughing portrait is more accurate in my opinion. Stature-wise I agree he's still somewhat too small but he hasn't shrunk at all since the HOF figure came out which is what I was expecting based on this thread before I got him in hand.
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Post by mrh on Feb 21, 2021 2:52:04 GMT -5
Correct, I was comparing the Legends 9 figure to the elite HOF and in order to do that properly, the crazed headsculpt needs to be attached on the new legends version. The less expressive smirking headsculpt is smaller overall. If you have the current legends release and compare the two that are included even while both are unattached, the laughing head is noticeably bigger and likely sits differently on the body to boot. So in short: I've you're comparing two figures and one has a smaller head, the figure as a whole is going to be shorter. Dibiase has a giant fat head which is partly what made him look like a bigger dude so the laughing portrait is more accurate in my opinion. Stature-wise I agree he's still somewhat too small but he hasn't shrunk at all since the HOF figure came out which is what I was expecting based on this thread before I got him in hand.
Cool -- thanks. How would you say he scales overall with the other legends? It's so hard to get an accurate gauge of what the right height is supposed to be in real life vs. what the figures are
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Post by wut on Feb 21, 2021 16:55:50 GMT -5
Correct, I was comparing the Legends 9 figure to the elite HOF and in order to do that properly, the crazed headsculpt needs to be attached on the new legends version. The less expressive smirking headsculpt is smaller overall. If you have the current legends release and compare the two that are included even while both are unattached, the laughing head is noticeably bigger and likely sits differently on the body to boot. So in short: I've you're comparing two figures and one has a smaller head, the figure as a whole is going to be shorter. Dibiase has a giant fat head which is partly what made him look like a bigger dude so the laughing portrait is more accurate in my opinion. Stature-wise I agree he's still somewhat too small but he hasn't shrunk at all since the HOF figure came out which is what I was expecting based on this thread before I got him in hand.
Cool -- thanks. How would you say he scales overall with the other legends? It's so hard to get an accurate gauge of what the right height is supposed to be in real life vs. what the figures are
Totally. Have a lot of things being unpacked and in a general state of disarray, but "close enough" is probably the best way to put it. Maybe 6'1 in the figure form interpretation of that but hard to say and will vary depending on placement with other guys. I think to get the most out of it you should use the bigger head and get the legs close together via heat, holding in there until it stabilizes.
In my mind I do picture Dibiase around 6'3 regardless of the changes WWE has made over time for legends' physical stats. If he was much shorter than that I don't think he would have been able to become a top heel at the time given his physique. In order to hang with the muscle heads, if you weren't jacked back then you had to be a bit on the taller side which would lend itself to a more natural large frame and to me that's what he projected in the ring.
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Post by mrh on Feb 22, 2021 3:44:58 GMT -5
Cool -- thanks. How would you say he scales overall with the other legends? It's so hard to get an accurate gauge of what the right height is supposed to be in real life vs. what the figures are
Totally. Have a lot of things being unpacked and in a general state of disarray, but "close enough" is probably the best way to put it. Maybe 6'1 in the figure form interpretation of that but hard to say and will vary depending on placement with other guys. I think to get the most out of it you should use the bigger head and get the legs close together via heat, holding in there until it stabilizes.
In my mind I do picture Dibiase around 6'3 regardless of the changes WWE has made over time for legends' physical stats. If he was much shorter than that I don't think he would have been able to become a top heel at the time given his physique. In order to hang with the muscle heads, if you weren't jacked back then you had to be a bit on the taller side which would lend itself to a more natural large frame and to me that's what he projected in the ring.
That last picture seems pretty accurate to me -- so I'm puzzled by all the complaints about the height.
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Post by bigjohnnybadd on Feb 23, 2021 10:22:21 GMT -5
It's just a toy lol .. why would height even matter?? .. lol .. You'd take a Kane the size of Rey Mysterio huh lol Lol someone never collected Jakks.... I have many! |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Feb 23, 2021 11:06:41 GMT -5
You'd take a Kane the size of Rey Mysterio huh lol Lol someone never collected Jakks.... I have many! I don’t see Jakks making WWE toys these days do you? |
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Post by bigjohnnybadd on Feb 23, 2021 14:42:52 GMT -5
Lol someone never collected Jakks.... I have many! I don’t see Jakks making WWE toys these days do you? Nope, I sure don't. And there is no denying that Mattel is light years ahead of what Jakks ever put out. Every once in a while though, they would really nail it out of nowhere. Many people even prefer their scans from years ago over the ones today. My point was just that those of us that enjoyed the Jakks days never got a chance to argue about scale, because every fig was literally the same size. Rey stood right up next to Andre and stared him right in the eyes. So with the incredible detail that Mattel gives us now, it is silly for people to get as upset as they do over tiny scale issues. Do they always get it right? No. Are they usually pretty damn close? Yes. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Feb 23, 2021 14:54:53 GMT -5
I don’t see Jakks making WWE toys these days do you? Nope, I sure don't. And there is no denying that Mattel is light years ahead of what Jakks ever put out. Every once in a while though, they would really nail it out of nowhere. Many people even prefer their scans from years ago over the ones today. My point was just that those of us that enjoyed the Jakks days never got a chance to argue about scale, because every fig was literally the same size. Rey stood right up next to Andre and stared him right in the eyes. So with the incredible detail that Mattel gives us now, it is silly for people to get as upset as they do over tiny scale issues. Do they always get it right? No. Are they usually pretty damn close? Yes. Just because things were worse for you before does not mean we shouldn’t expect better things now |
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Post by albie333 on Feb 23, 2021 14:58:10 GMT -5
Mattel needs to straighten this height issue out once and for all. The reality is it simply constitutes sloppy work.
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Post by zen411 on Feb 24, 2021 9:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by Bobby Heenan on Feb 24, 2021 11:15:54 GMT -5
That Typhoon looks as tall as the DM Hogan, who should be 6'7" :/
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Post by mrh on Feb 25, 2021 4:18:38 GMT -5
Million dollar man, typhoon, and rick rude are all listed at 6'3"   
I don't get it. How can people say Dibiase is TOO tall after seeing these pictures?
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