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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 4, 2021 17:07:38 GMT -5
To solve any confusion this is Royal Rumble related lol.
Now 2014 Batista returns and wins the Rumble, by doing so it becomes a embarrassing return as he is booed out of the building. 2021 Edge returns after almost a year and wins the Rumble. There were no fans so we will never know what reception Edge would've received, but both men and someone in common. "Daniel Bryan"
In 2014 everyone wanted Bryan to win, but when old timer Batista won and stole his limelight the fans were enraged. This year Bryan entered the Rumble with a story, to win and complete a long awaited goal, but the victory went to Edge.
At WM 30 Bryan managed to reach the main event and walk out victorious, this year it is set in stone for Roman & Edge.
So my question is, what is different? We don't know how the live crowds feel about Edge, but online his win has got a positive reception. Has Bryan's popularity died down since 2014?
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 4, 2021 17:27:59 GMT -5
Most of the fans who boo'd because they didn't push Bryan have left. I think the audience left are diehard WWE fans who will never leave no matter who gets pushed. This group might complain, but they still tune in most weeks.
No one could boo Edge because there were no fans and VKM totally controls crowd reactions. There is proof that Edge didn't pop the ratings though. His appearances on Raw, SD, and NXT didn't draw.
Edge came back from injury and Batista was coming back from Hollywood after a heel run. Edge is more sympathetic for sure.
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Post by rkmo: Garbage Collector on Mar 4, 2021 18:21:00 GMT -5
A lot of the hate towards Batista did stem from an "outsider" being thrust back into the spotlight while Bryan was shoved aside. The entire fall of 2013 was Bryan's run against the Authority while receiving massive backing from the fans, who felt Daniel was being robbed of a true feel-good story that wasn't there this year for really anyone. Didn't help matters that the leaked plans gave fans an opportunity to build their intolerance for the Batista title push.
Some like to point to the Roman Reigns cheers from the 2014 Rumble as an example of never-Vincer fickleness, but it really is the "anyone but him" reaction against Batista, along with the Shield's freshness and absense of Dat Dude's cringe face shove at that point. I'd gather most faces wouldn't have caught that much flak, and Bryan would have still been stuck in the WM undercard with Sheamus or in the Battle Royal.
I wasn't thrilled with the Rumble outcome and sure am not looking forward to Edge facing Head Cheese, but he benefitted from a return from injury, a weakly booked roster, and already enjoying a fair amount of respect from fans.
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Post by Evil Abed on Mar 4, 2021 18:33:43 GMT -5
Everyone pretty much hit the nail on the head above. Essentially anyone other than Bryan winning the 2014 rumble would have gotten boo’ed. As evidenced by Rey Mysterio getting booed for the first time in his WWE career. Batista got it just a bit worse because as art imitated real life, Batista was the corporate machines hand chosen pick screwing the guy truly deserving of the spot out of his Mania moment.
That being said I still had a very “meh” reaction to Edge winning the Rumble this year. Bryan vs. Reigns is still a way better story than Edge vs. Reigns but in no way shape or form is everyone behind Bryan the way they were in 2013-2014. And it this stage in his career Bryan seems very content not taking the spot from someone else.
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Post by Dan on Mar 4, 2021 19:14:12 GMT -5
Everyone pretty much hit the nail on the head above. Essentially anyone other than Bryan winning the 2014 rumble would have gotten boo’ed. As evidenced by Rey Mysterio getting booed for the first time in his WWE career. Batista got it just a bit worse because as art imitated real life, Batista was the corporate machines hand chosen pick screwing the guy truly deserving of the spot out of his Mania moment. That being said I still had a very “meh” reaction to Edge winning the Rumble this year. Bryan vs. Reigns is still a way better story than Edge vs. Reigns but in no way shape or form is everyone behind Bryan the way they were in 2013-2014. And it this stage in his career Bryan seems very content not taking the spot from someone else. I think the leaked plans for Randy Orton vs Batista as the Main Event of Wrestlemania XXX had already soured a lot of people going into the Rumble, the fact that Vince McMahon genuinely thought that was a satisfactory Main Event that people would be excited to see. I know Batista himself has often said he felt it was a mistake to have him return as a face, but I tend to disagree. It was cool and refreshing to see him back at that time, and if he'd had just returned and had a seemingly upper-mid card Wrestlemania Match with somebody (even Triple H), I'm pretty sure it would have gone down well. It's just the fact that Bryan was legitimately red hot, everyone could see it, and Batista was unfortunately representative of the typical WWE machine type, and after returning and instantly being thrusted into supposedly winning the World Title, it went down horrifically. The difference with Edge this year though, is that there isn't really any other options that are head and shoulders above the other in terms of having serious heat on them this Wrestlemania season. Bryan is a fan favourite, sure, but he's been the subject of 50/50 booking for eternity now, and is happy just to help and work with elevating others. Plus, it's another unique COVID year with no real live audience, so nobody is really massively invested right now anyway. It's clear there was no real large or long term plan for Wrestlemania this year again. They kind of just went with Edge pretty late before the Rumble, as it seemed a good enough option, and the other Title Match was a scramble. Add to the fact there's no Triple H, Undertaker, Rock, Cena feud, it kind of doesn't really matter. I'm sure if a Big E or somebody was truly massively over right now, they'd have been given one of the shots, simple as that. But it was a throwaway year for virtually the entire roster. Roman Reigns and Randy Orton are literally the only ones who made any serious legit steps forward.
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Post by CM Tusk on Mar 4, 2021 21:54:31 GMT -5
Edge was forced to retire and no one ever thought him wrestling again was possible. When he retired he had to give up the World title. So to see him back and fighting for a World title is exciting to people. He also didn’t really take a spot from anyone as no one is really as over right now as Bryan was. Batista came back and everyone knew it was going to be only a few months, and ended up taking the spot that most thought Bryan should have. Given the story and his popularity and the fact he was screwed out of the belt, him winning the Rumble and beating Orton made the most sense. No one has that level of story with Roman right now. Outside Owens who has lost several times to Roman.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 5, 2021 0:03:04 GMT -5
Most of the fans who boo'd because they didn't push Bryan have left. I think the audience left are diehard WWE fans who will never leave no matter who gets pushed. This group might complain, but they still tune in most weeks. No one could boo Edge because there were no fans and VKM totally controls crowd reactions. There is proof that Edge didn't pop the ratings though. His appearances on Raw, SD, and NXT didn't draw. Edge came back from injury and Batista was coming back from Hollywood after a heel run. Edge is more sympathetic for sure. Not shocked Edge didn’t pop ratings. He doesn’t have the “attitude era” or “Monday night wars” appeal. Fans from that era remember him as a midcarder. He broke into the main event during the RA era when ratings were going down (not saying that’s his fault/just that he doesn’t have the appeal that a main eventer from the previous era has). I’m an Edge fan but I was rolling my eyes at how ridiculous his win was and I’m sure a lot of others were too.
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Post by rkmo: Garbage Collector on Mar 5, 2021 1:56:23 GMT -5
Most of the fans who boo'd because they didn't push Bryan have left. I think the audience left are diehard WWE fans who will never leave no matter who gets pushed. This group might complain, but they still tune in most weeks. No one could boo Edge because there were no fans and VKM totally controls crowd reactions. There is proof that Edge didn't pop the ratings though. His appearances on Raw, SD, and NXT didn't draw. Edge came back from injury and Batista was coming back from Hollywood after a heel run. Edge is more sympathetic for sure. Not shocked Edge didn’t pop ratings. He doesn’t have the “attitude era” or “Monday night wars” appeal. Fans from that era remember him as a midcarder. He broke into the main event during the RA era when ratings were going down (not saying that’s his fault/just that he doesn’t have the appeal that a main eventer from the previous era has). I’m an Edge fan but I was rolling my eyes at how ridiculous his win was and I’m sure a lot of others were too. It literally took the promise of live s*x to pop a rating lol
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 5, 2021 2:57:02 GMT -5
Really?? People wanted Daniel Bryan to win the Rumble this year??
I can honestly say I didn't. Bryan's time has come and gone now for WWE title reigns. He was lucky he had one two years ago again.
Edge winning this year was okay I guess, but it's just hard to take him serious as a full time wrestler again after being gone for 9 years.
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Post by Old Zeke on Mar 5, 2021 4:21:38 GMT -5
I wanted Batista to win in 2014...
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Post by teammadness on Mar 5, 2021 6:14:23 GMT -5
I think it’s completely different. They shoved Batista down our throats in 2014 when the crowd clearly wanted Bryan. With Edge this year, I don’t think there is a Guy ready to burst onto the scene so they just went with Edge for nostalgia reasons. I’m not an ‘Edge Guy’. I think he goes out of his way to look old and frail not to mention his finishing move is a ‘spear’....how original
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Post by FLUX on Mar 5, 2021 9:38:49 GMT -5
I was a bit annoyed when Batista won, but once the dust settled I was fine with it because at the end of the day, it's Batista and he's great. Would Bryan winning have been better? Probably? But it'll always be one of those "what ifs" I suppose. That said, they handled his 2019 return much, much better.
In the end, the fans got what they wanted anyway which was Bryan winning the gold at 'Mania, but it's WWE's specialty to give the fans what they want in the most convoluted ways possible.
As for Edge, I'm totally fine with him winning. Once again, would Bryan winning have been better? Hard to say, but Edge/Roman is probably more enticing to the casual viewer than Bryan/Roman, and the casual viewer is who WWE really tries to get for WrestleMania.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Mar 5, 2021 12:06:23 GMT -5
Really?? People wanted Daniel Bryan to win the Rumble this year?? I can honestly say I didn't. Bryan's time has come and gone now for WWE title reigns. He was lucky he had one two years ago again. Edge winning this year was okay I guess, but it's just hard to take him serious as a full time wrestler again after being gone for 9 years. Don't kick him while he is down. He deserved the 2, he had them now his time has past. But we can still remember his great times.
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Post by K5 on Mar 5, 2021 12:15:27 GMT -5
To solve any confusion this is Royal Rumble related lol. Now 2014 Batista returns and wins the Rumble, by doing so it becomes a embarrassing return as he is booed out of the building. 2021 Edge returns after almost a year and wins the Rumble. There were no fans so we will never know what reception Edge would've received, but both men and someone in common. "Daniel Bryan" In 2014 everyone wanted Bryan to win, but when old timer Batista won and stole his limelight the fans were enraged. This year Bryan entered the Rumble with a story, to win and complete a long awaited goal, but the victory went to Edge. At WM 30 Bryan managed to reach the main event and walk out victorious, this year it is set in stone for Roman & Edge. So my question is, what is different? We don't know how the live crowds feel about Edge, but online his win has got a positive reception. Has Bryan's popularity died down since 2014? listen pal, I appreciate you as a member of the forum, but you have some consistently absolutely out there opinions. Daniel Bryan is not as hot as he was 7 years ago as a talent. it's clear as day.
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Post by marino13 on Mar 5, 2021 17:19:19 GMT -5
I think had Batista's return not been spoiled early, and he wouldn't have been gassed 4 minutes in, it might have went better for him. The weird gear didn't help.
Plus Edge did go a whole hour which is impressive regardless. Especially when you take his age into account.
Bryan seems to be taking a backseat lately and helping boost others. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure Edge will be doing the same this time next year.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Mar 6, 2021 11:49:22 GMT -5
Not shocked Edge didn’t pop ratings. He doesn’t have the “attitude era” or “Monday night wars” appeal. Fans from that era remember him as a midcarder. He broke into the main event during the RA era when ratings were going down (not saying that’s his fault/just that he doesn’t have the appeal that a main eventer from the previous era has). I’m an Edge fan but I was rolling my eyes at how ridiculous his win was and I’m sure a lot of others were too. It literally took the promise of live s*x to pop a rating lol And let's be honest...were they really watching to see Edge or does Lita really deserve more credit?
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Post by K5 on Mar 6, 2021 15:57:45 GMT -5
It literally took the promise of live s*x to pop a rating lol And let's be honest...were they really watching to see Edge or does Lita really deserve more credit? considering Lita tried to not be in it and her job was threatened when she tried to not do it, yeah, she deserves a world of credit.
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Post by Mclovin on Mar 6, 2021 16:17:13 GMT -5
I honestly hate everyone who booed anyone who wasn't Daniel Bryan from 2013-15. Damn near killed Roman Reign's career. Turned Batista into a deranged liberal who cries online. And cost Randy Orton to lose one of his two Championship reigns to go over a hundred days. I hate y'all Bryan marks.
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Post by rkmo: Garbage Collector on Mar 6, 2021 16:32:34 GMT -5
I honestly hate everyone who booed anyone who wasn't Daniel Bryan from 2013-15. Damn near killed Roman Reign's career. Turned Batista into a deranged liberal who cries online. And cost Randy Orton to lose one of his two Championship reigns to go over a hundred days. I hate y'all Bryan marks. I believe 5 years of Suffering Succotash creative and inheriting Cena's superface booking was more at fault for Roman's reactions, chief. Leave it up for someone else to tackle that completely original "crying liberal" line...
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Post by K5 on Mar 6, 2021 18:34:34 GMT -5
I honestly hate everyone who booed anyone who wasn't Daniel Bryan from 2013-15. Damn near killed Roman Reign's career. Turned Batista into a deranged liberal who cries online. And cost Randy Orton to lose one of his two Championship reigns to go over a hundred days. I hate y'all Bryan marks. I believe 5 years of Suffering Succotash creative and inheriting Cena's superface booking was more at fault for Roman's reactions, chief. Leave it up for someone else to tackle that completely original "crying liberal" line... seriously misguided folks on here. Daniel Bryan was the response to Roman Reigns being insufferable.
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