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Post by hitmancmedge on Mar 18, 2021 13:31:37 GMT -5
Oh no that's not what I was trying to suggest at all! One of the typical questions/criticisms of women's wrestling is that they can't go as well as the men at the highest level, and this match totally disproved that. (As have tons of women's matches in Japan but those typically don't reach North American audiences). Obviously not every match is going to be special like this one, just like not every men's match will be. The point was that the top women can go every bit as well as the top men. I'm yet to see a female equivalent of a ricochet, dynamite kid, aj styles, omega, fenix in ring. that doesn't mean that many of the women can't outwork lots of the men, but if we're talking highest level of talent I haven't seen that *yet. they've got great workers, and if you mean on a working level and not an athletic technical standpoint then I can agree they're on par with many main event talents. As far as athleticism as much as I don’t like her Charlotte is probably in their league, other than hit a moonsault she can seemingly do anything men can do. Tessa also seemed to be in that conversation, but her attitude is obviously keeping her out of the big time right now. |
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Post by K5 on Mar 18, 2021 13:37:14 GMT -5
I'm yet to see a female equivalent of a ricochet, dynamite kid, aj styles, omega, fenix in ring. that doesn't mean that many of the women can't outwork lots of the men, but if we're talking highest level of talent I haven't seen that *yet. they've got great workers, and if you mean on a working level and not an athletic technical standpoint then I can agree they're on par with many main event talents. As far as athleticism as much as I don’t like her Charlotte is probably in their league, other than hit a moonsault she can seemingly do anything men can do. Tessa also seemed to be in that conversation, but her attitude is obviously keeping her out of the big time right now. they're both definitely great athletes so while I may not fully agree, they're certainly in the conversation |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 18, 2021 14:16:00 GMT -5
I'm yet to see a female equivalent of a ricochet, dynamite kid, aj styles, omega, fenix in ring. that doesn't mean that many of the women can't outwork lots of the men, but if we're talking highest level of talent I haven't seen that *yet. they've got great workers, and if you mean on a working level and not an athletic technical standpoint then I can agree they're on par with many main event talents. As far as athleticism as much as I don’t like her Charlotte is probably in their league, other than hit a moonsault she can seemingly do anything men can do. Tessa also seemed to be in that conversation, but her attitude is obviously keeping her out of the big time right now. Nah. I've given 5 stars to the guys mentioned WAY more than the ladies mentioned. Not saying they aren't good in their own way, but they're not on the same level. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 16:11:01 GMT -5
Oh no that's not what I was trying to suggest at all! One of the typical questions/criticisms of women's wrestling is that they can't go as well as the men at the highest level, and this match totally disproved that. (As have tons of women's matches in Japan but those typically don't reach North American audiences). Obviously not every match is going to be special like this one, just like not every men's match will be. The point was that the top women can go every bit as well as the top men. I'm yet to see a female equivalent of a ricochet, dynamite kid, aj styles, omega, fenix in ring. that doesn't mean that many of the women can't outwork lots of the men, but if we're talking highest level of talent I haven't seen that *yet. they've got great workers, and if you mean on a working level and not an athletic technical standpoint then I can agree they're on par with many main event talents. Yeah, that is essentially what I'm getting at. I mean I'll go for my own sport as an example. If you want to make the Olympic final in the 100m as a male, you need to be able to run sub 10 seconds. As a female, you need to break 11 seconds. Yes, men have always been able to run faster than women, etc. That's never really been debatable. So from a pure objective performance standpoint, the pinnacle of male talent will always likely "outperform" the female talent in the sense that they can run faster, jump higher, etc. That said, I also don't think that makes the women any less capable of being at the top in wrestling. (Nor do I think it makes women's sports any less worth watching.) Wrestling is more than just athleticism. AJ Styles is nowhere near as much of a pure athlete as Brock Lesnar, but I'd sure call him a better wrestler. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 16:12:26 GMT -5
As far as athleticism as much as I don’t like her Charlotte is probably in their league, other than hit a moonsault she can seemingly do anything men can do. Tessa also seemed to be in that conversation, but her attitude is obviously keeping her out of the big time right now. Nah. I've given 5 stars to the guys mentioned WAY more than the ladies mentioned. Not saying they aren't good in their own way, but they're not on the same level. If we're talking pure athleticism, with no consideration to how it translates in the ring, I'm pretty sure the two at the top of the mountain are Bianca Belair and Jade Cargill. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 18, 2021 16:22:50 GMT -5
Nah. I've given 5 stars to the guys mentioned WAY more than the ladies mentioned. Not saying they aren't good in their own way, but they're not on the same level. If we're talking pure athleticism, with no consideration to how it translates in the ring, I'm pretty sure the two at the top of the mountain are Bianca Belair and Jade Cargill. I'm just talking wrestling matches. It's a fun thinking exercise to compare athletics. Bianca would be a star if used properly and I'll probably need to see more from Jade to rank her that high. |
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Post by toki on Mar 18, 2021 19:12:56 GMT -5
I honestly started doubting aew's women's division there for a bit, but GAT DAYUM. that lights out match is still on my mind. not only the fact that it main evented, but the things that they did to each other, the absurd blood loss, JESUS... last night was huge for the ladies. I really hope this is the turning point. give me more women's matches as the focal point, regardless if shida bae is champion or not. I LOVE THIS CHIT.
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Post by bWo on Mar 18, 2021 19:34:48 GMT -5
Is it wrong that I think a bloody faced Britt Baker opening that bag of thumbtacks with her mouth was sexy as hell? Who's with me? You said it, but I definitely thought it too lol. Apparently we were the only ones. Hahaha. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:33:05 GMT -5
You said it, but I definitely thought it too lol. Apparently we were the only ones. Hahaha. I've never found her attractive, but she's obviously good looking. She's no Dasha, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:35:22 GMT -5
Anybody else think this match was better than the Omega/Moxley ERDM from Revolution? I thought both were great matches. Not sure why everyone needs to compare everything to something else and say which was better Because that's what humans do, constantly. There are no preferences without discriminating between alternatives. I'm not sure why forum members feel the need to compare one's idea of an acceptable view against that of another. |
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Post by bWo on Mar 18, 2021 20:46:42 GMT -5
At some point you have to. A few inches and 35 pounds is a lot. Imagine your girl walking in one day and she's 3 inches taller and 35 pounds heavier. You'd notice it. They had they man with no legs at the first Casino Battle Royal. I don't think it's splitting hairs to say he doesn't belong on TV either. lol no, marko and Spike are about the same level of threat to any full grown man which is next to zero. 3 inches and 35 pounds doesn't change anything when people have 100lb on you either way. marko actually appears as likely more of a thread as he's highly athletic and fast reflexed. he's an athlete, while spike just looked a bit underfed. I figure Spike Dudley was known as a tough b*stard who was missing a few screws and was willing to do or take anything to win. A guy like that who's willing to beat you bloody with any weapon he can get his hands on after getting up from something that would end most guys was a believable character, especially the way Spike could play the role. Marko Stunt is an adult who doesn't look like one that jumps around. One might flip his 120 pound body on you, one might rake a cheese grater across your forehead. Just based on those characteristics I think Spike was more of a "threat." As for the 3 inches and 35 pounds, I think they matter a lot as you get smaller. An opponent might have massive size on both, but one (Spike at 5'5" 155lbs) has the body of a small man whereas Marko Sunt (5'2" 120lbs) has the body of a 14 year old. That's what I mean when I say eventually you have to "split hairs." Going from 350lbs to 380 lbs doesn't make a difference because both guys look like big men. There's a difference between a small man and a small teenager though. |
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Post by bWo on Mar 18, 2021 22:52:18 GMT -5
You're REALLY going to throw a lot of women under the bus with that opinion. How many matches LIKE THIS have you seen on AEW from the women? If this is your expectation going forward you're going to be disappointed. This thing was AMAZING, but when Shida gets in the Ring with Riho, needless to say it won't be this. This match was something special. Suggesting it's a standard of some kind is a disservice to the other women in the division who can't/won't go ALL IN like these 2. Oh no that's not what I was trying to suggest at all! One of the typical questions/criticisms of women's wrestling is that they can't go as well as the men at the highest level, and this match totally disproved that. (As have tons of women's matches in Japan but those typically don't reach North American audiences). Obviously not every match is going to be special like this one, just like not every men's match will be. The point was that the top women can go every bit as well as the top men. Not really though because of the match style. There wasn't a lot of actual wrestling in the match, and if there was it's not at all what people were talking about afterwards. I think these two proved they (and women) are capable of going having this kind of match if they're allowed to. People normally (or perhaps normal people?) don't like the idea of women bleeding all over the place and rolling around in thumbtacks though so I doubt we'll see it on anything even remotely close to a regular basis. I typed that with a sad face... In a regular wrestling match though the woman can't compete with men at the highest level. Speed, timing, coordination, strength etc. are things men will always be dominant at. A wrestling match relies hardcore on so many variations of those things. The highest level man will always be better than the highest level female in that regard. I've loved the evolution of the women's division. I had zero interest in it when they were rolling them out early on. I liked Riho because she's cute as hell and that smile and you can't help but like her when you first see her, and I loved Britt Baker's personality. I remember when Rosa appeared I called her Thunderosa and you quoted me and said it was Thunder Rosa. I didn't care much because the women still weren't doing a lot for me. Now I'm at work telling my Buddy about this girl Thunder Rosa, and I stop and make sure I tell him it's Thunder Rosa, 2 words...... I'd like a 3rd hour so the women can have 2-3 matches every week. I think they've got a solid foundation with sh*t tons of potential. It's a unique style which can bring out different reactions. I like that. Give them the tv time to do it. Plus, I'd rather see Hikaru Shida every week than Marko Stunt. |
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Post by toki on Mar 18, 2021 23:38:38 GMT -5
You said it, but I definitely thought it too lol. Apparently we were the only ones. Hahaha. add me to that list. I like a lot of aew women, main roster or dark talent, but britt is definitely bae. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Mar 19, 2021 2:32:52 GMT -5
The mainevent with Thunder Rosa vs Brit Baker was very good and you have to give it to them for taking some nasty bumps. The blood was also unexpected so WWE take note that the women in AEW have embarrassmed your company policy on blading. Yeah, shame on Vince for not allowing his female talent to slice themselves with a blade  You should be embarrassed by this post. |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Mar 19, 2021 2:44:08 GMT -5
The mainevent with Thunder Rosa vs Brit Baker was very good and you have to give it to them for taking some nasty bumps. The blood was also unexpected so WWE take note that the women in AEW have embarrassmed your company policy on blading. Yeah, shame on Vince for not allowing his female talent to slice themselves with a blade You should be embarrassed by this post. Blading has been part of pro wrestling for decades so if both Brit Baker and Thunder Rosa wanted to blade to tell the story that's fine with me. So I'm not embarrassed regarding my post but if you want watered down pro wrestling watch WWE. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 12:58:57 GMT -5
Yeah, shame on Vince for not allowing his female talent to slice themselves with a blade You should be embarrassed by this post. Blading has been part of pro wrestling for decades so if both Brit Baker and Thunder Rosa wanted to blade to tell the story that's fine with me. So I'm not embarrassed regarding my post but if you want watered down pro wrestling watch WWE. I wouldn’t bother with him. He only shows up to troll |
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Post by Zigzag on Mar 19, 2021 20:03:25 GMT -5
As soon as Dr. Britt's face got the crimson mask, I thought - "If they make another T-shirt out of this, I'm getting it."
They did...and I did.
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 19, 2021 23:10:53 GMT -5
I just watched the main event and god damn what a brutal match. There were times I thought it should've been over but damn I was impressed.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 20, 2021 9:52:22 GMT -5
Blading has been part of pro wrestling for decades so if both Brit Baker and Thunder Rosa wanted to blade to tell the story that's fine with me. So I'm not embarrassed regarding my post but if you want watered down pro wrestling watch WWE. I wouldn’t bother with him. He only shows up to troll If Uncle Paul did that match, everyone would praise it. I got lit up because I don’t think Molly Holly is an all time wrestler. lol |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Mar 21, 2021 7:45:16 GMT -5
I wouldn’t bother with him. He only shows up to troll If Uncle Paul did that match, everyone would praise it. I got lit up because I don’t think Molly Holly is an all time wrestler. lol Everyone is prasing it though and with the Molly Holly thing. You gotta remember its applying to WWE's set of rules & measuring stick. |
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