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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 28, 2021 16:57:01 GMT -5
I still miss WCW today. While their booking was all over the place I still think its later years get too much flack. Just think, WCW in its dying days was still pulling better ratings than any wrestling on TV today. For as bad as the booking was, I’d take 2000 WCW over current day Raw or Smackdown in a heart beat. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 23:59:01 GMT -5
It's been 20 years and all I can say is....I miss WCW  Sad day for the biz for sure. The biz has not been the same since! |
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Post by PJ on Apr 4, 2021 9:48:34 GMT -5
I will always say NWA/WCW was better than the WWF. Especially from 1990 until it was sold.
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Post by LA Times on Apr 4, 2021 10:02:19 GMT -5
I will always say NWA/WCW was better than the WWF. Especially from 1990 until it was sold. For me, WCW from late 1991 to 1998 totally stomps WWF, even though their early 90s years often gets a bad rap. |
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 4, 2021 12:13:32 GMT -5
1990s WCW was great but they lacked promotion like Vince could deliver. Vince was the owner, promoter and on screen talent day in day out. Turner owner the business but you had way too many cooks in the kitchen and the head guy, Turner, never was there to look over them. People from all walks of life and every age knew WWF. They may not have known most wrestlers but they knew WWF. WCW was not known to them like WWF because WCW never promoted like WWF.
WCW had three toy lines the entire decades of the 1990s with a large gap in between 1991 and 1994. They rarely did merchandise catalogs in their magazines and in fact had almost a year gap where they had no magazine publication at all. You had to buy merchandise at the events until the mid 1990s when WCW/NWO got hot and retail stores carried merch but again, still few catalogs in the magazines like WWF. They also rarely advertised their VHS sales and when they did produce videos in the early 90s half the matches were removed to make it 2 hours. The few videos I ever bought from WCW were from Suncoast video because I sure couldn't order them from a WCW catalog.
There are so many reasons why WWF won and it does suck that WCW died but ultimately the better man (in terms of promoting and ownership) won.
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Post by drifter on Apr 4, 2021 14:45:48 GMT -5
1990s WCW was great but they lacked promotion like Vince could deliver. Vince was the owner, promoter and on screen talent day in day out. Turner owner the business but you had way too many cooks in the kitchen and the head guy, Turner, never was there to look over them. People from all walks of life and every age knew WWF. They may not have known most wrestlers but they knew WWF. WCW was not known to them like WWF because WCW never promoted like WWF. WCW had three toy lines the entire decades of the 1990s with a large gap in between 1991 and 1994. They rarely did merchandise catalogs in their magazines and in fact had almost a year gap where they had no magazine publication at all. You had to buy merchandise at the events until the mid 1990s when WCW/NWO got hot and retail stores carried merch but again, still few catalogs in the magazines like WWF. They also rarely advertised their VHS sales and when they did produce videos in the early 90s half the matches were removed to make it 2 hours. The few videos I ever bought from WCW were from Suncoast video because I sure couldn't order them from a WCW catalog. There are so many reasons why WWF won and it does suck that WCW died but ultimately the better man (in terms of promoting and ownership) won. The thing that could really be said that was the big asset to WWF over WCW would the control backstage. WCW really was an example of the old saying, 'too many cooks in the kitchen.' With the WWF, yeah you had lots of people involved in the creative process, but when it came down to it, in the end it all came down to Vince. The final say was with him, and in that period when the 'war' really heated up, I think that was a big factor in things. WWF had the right balance of letting wrestlers have input on their characters and storylines, without giving too much power in them being able to affect what happened to the show, like you had in WCW. |
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Post by jason88cubs on Apr 4, 2021 16:49:08 GMT -5
I miss that Nitro music
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 4, 2021 18:27:20 GMT -5
I remember a few national radio stations covering this at the time (wrestling was still huge with mainstream in early 2001). One radio host was gushing over potential Taker vs Sting and Austin vs Goldberg feuds...and instead we got Shawn Stasiak running around with “Mecca” on his tights... Jim Cornette said that Vince McMahon couldve brought in Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, Goldberg and Eric Bischoff for the invasion angle and made millions of dollars, but instead he blew millions of dollars on a football league. He did it not once but twice |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 18:34:42 GMT -5
What is the saddest thing about this is the months leading up to them closing and being sold, they were putting out the best TV they had prodcued in years.
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Post by LA Times on Apr 4, 2021 18:38:39 GMT -5
What is the saddest thing about this is the months leading up to them closing and being sold, they were putting out the best TV they had prodcued in years. Are you talking about WCW from Jan-Mar 2001? I remember people saying the best thing about WCW back then was having Cruiserweight and Cruiserweight Tag Team championships because you were getting at least 2 good matches per show. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 18:43:04 GMT -5
What is the saddest thing about this is the months leading up to them closing and being sold, they were putting out the best TV they had prodcued in years. Are you talking about WCW from Jan-Mar 2001? I remember people saying the best thing about WCW back then was having Cruiserweight and Cruiserweight Tag Team championships because you were getting at least 2 good matches per show. The last 3-4 months were outstanding. |
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Post by jason88cubs on Apr 4, 2021 18:53:03 GMT -5
i think this sums it up perfectly
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Post by East Coast on Apr 4, 2021 19:08:38 GMT -5
also the day i quit watching wrestling until 2008 when i randomly caught a Cena vs. Lashley match.
at that point in 2001. I had already stopped watching WWE. I was watching WCW and NWA Wildside
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Post by LA Times on Apr 4, 2021 19:13:38 GMT -5
also the day i quit watching wrestling until 2008 when i randomly caught a Cena vs. Lashley match.at that point in 2001. I had already stopped watching WWE. I was watching WCW and NWA Wildside That mustve been in 2007. Lashley was released in Feb 2008 having been out of action since Aug 2007. |
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 5, 2021 9:48:22 GMT -5
Jim Cornette said that Vince McMahon couldve brought in Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, Goldberg and Eric Bischoff for the invasion angle and made millions of dollars, but instead he blew millions of dollars on a football league. Vince was never content on simply being the greatest wrestling promoter. He wanted to own a bodybuilding company, produce movies and own a football league and all failed, one even failed twice. Ted Turner has owned a baseball team, a major news network, a restaurant franchise and wrestling company among others. It looks like it is really Ted who is in the "entertainment business" and Vince who is in the wrestling business. I wouldn't doubt there was a lot of jealous by Vince towards Ted during the 1980s and 90s. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 5, 2021 12:50:40 GMT -5
What is the saddest thing about this is the months leading up to them closing and being sold, they were putting out the best TV they had prodcued in years. Agreed. January - March 2001 was the best TV WCW produced since late ‘98 IMO. Stories started to make more sense and the match quality was improving throughout the card. It’s a shame as WCW was showing potential those last few months. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 6, 2021 11:43:18 GMT -5
After watching highlights of late WCW, in early 2001, I can't say much improved.
They were still relying on the same formulae as before - cruiserweights to have exciting matches, bloated over the hill guys in the main event, heel authority figure and a big uber heel faction running over everyone....
There were still a lot of head scratching things happening and dumb moments.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 11:08:53 GMT -5
it was a very sad day for wrestling with wcw bought out.
same with mma when pridefc died and ufc bought it!
havin two big promotions made things so much better. wrestlers could rejuvenate stale careers hopping back n forth at the right times! or just be booked/used differently. its mcdonalds/burger king, coke/pepsi, etc etc. having that no.2 right on your ass is always good for bisuiness.
i wish wcw stuck around and maybe got new bookers or somehow jumped out of the rut. i too feel like at the VERY end they were figuring some crapout.
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