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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 14, 2021 9:09:34 GMT -5
Anyone else wonder how WM7 would have looked had Vince not been able to move it to the LA Sports Arena two months before the event? The WWF stopped ticket sales on February 5th, 1991, after having sold less than a quarter of the available tickets for the 100,000+ seat stadium (in addition to the large security cost to insure the event following desert storm). Luckily, this was enough to fill out the LA Sports Arena the WWF typically ran at the time. It was crazy good luck on Vince’s part that the arena was even available 2 months later considering the NBA season was ongoing and other events that took place there as well.
But what if Vince couldn’t move the event? Think he would have looked to move it to another city (which would have been tough considering the 16,000 tickets already sold)? Do they stick to the coliseum, taper off more than 3/4ths of the arena, and shoot it in a way to hide this (and eat a large monetary loss)? Give out a ton of free tickets and hope more people fill the event?
Cool to think of the possibilities if Vince couldn’t move things.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 14, 2021 9:17:38 GMT -5
I’ll say this, had they been able to sell out the LA Coliseum, I think that WrestleMania would have looked as epic as I remember that time period being in my mind. I feel so robbed that we don’t have that visual of all those guys in an outdoor arena. I just picture it looking like something out of Greek mythology haha. I feel like that Mania would have been the definitive visual of WrestleMania had it happened.
Had Vince not found an arena I guess they could have just ran the show at the Coliseum but just had HEAVY tarping of the arena. I think they could have just moved everybody to the lower levels, gave away some tickets to locals and it would have looked just fine. The whole Slaughter assassination thing was WWE talk for “we didn’t sell enough tickets”. That was just a spin job on the media. I think they would have just ran the show as is and never mentioned the Slaughter thing.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 14, 2021 9:24:54 GMT -5
I’ll say this, had they been able to sell out the LA Coliseum, I think that WrestleMania would have looked as epic as I remember that time period being in my mind. I feel so robbed that we don’t have that visual of all those guys in an outdoor arena. I just picture it looking like something out of Greek mythology haha. I feel like that Mania would have been the definitive visual of WrestleMania had it happened. Had Vince not found an arena I guess they could have just ran the show at the Coliseum but just had HEAVY tarping of the arena. I think they could have just moved everybody to the lower levels, gave away some tickets to locals and it would have looked just fine. The whole Slaughter assassination thing was WWE talk for “we didn’t sell enough tickets”. That was just a spin job on the media. I think they would have just ran the show as is and never mentioned the Slaughter thing. Agreed on that visual of Hogan and company coming out to an outdoor crowd of 100,000 would have been the defining visual of that era...luckily we got it two years later, just in the parking lot of a casino and with a much smaller crowd lol.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 14, 2021 9:30:39 GMT -5
I’ll say this, had they been able to sell out the LA Coliseum, I think that WrestleMania would have looked as epic as I remember that time period being in my mind. I feel so robbed that we don’t have that visual of all those guys in an outdoor arena. I just picture it looking like something out of Greek mythology haha. I feel like that Mania would have been the definitive visual of WrestleMania had it happened. Had Vince not found an arena I guess they could have just ran the show at the Coliseum but just had HEAVY tarping of the arena. I think they could have just moved everybody to the lower levels, gave away some tickets to locals and it would have looked just fine. The whole Slaughter assassination thing was WWE talk for “we didn’t sell enough tickets”. That was just a spin job on the media. I think they would have just ran the show as is and never mentioned the Slaughter thing. Agreed on that visual of Hogan and company coming out to an outdoor crowd of 100,000 would have been the defining visual of that era...luckily we got it two years later, just in the parking lot of a casino and with a much smaller crowd lol. I was gonna say that very thing. I love WrestleMania 9 to this day, visually, it’s great. The small crowd almost matches the step down in stardom though for that time, if that makes sense haha. 7 was like everybody in their glory, the Warrior/ Savage match would have looked beyond epic in that environment. The one thing I don’t like about 7 is that it looks so regular. Even 8 looks amazing, it’s such a big arena. 7 is like in a regular arena, it looks so unimpressive. I’ll always be bitter they didn’t have that show, damn the Gulf War 😆.
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Post by The Brain on Apr 14, 2021 9:31:01 GMT -5
If he couldnt move it,I think he just sticks with the Coliseum with sections tarped off.It wouldve looked bad on em though as in the ad they were hyping over 100k fans there.
9 being outdoors was great visually so I'm sure 7 here wouldve been the same.Shame we never got it.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 14, 2021 11:56:06 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how Wrestlemania 7 didn't have enough fan base to fill a 100,000 seat stadium, yet a year later Wrestlemania 8 feels an 80,000 seat stadium and had a lesser match card than the year before.
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 14, 2021 12:03:03 GMT -5
They would've had to likely stay where they were.
Vince papered Mania 3, he would've papered this. All paying ticket holders to the lower levels, whatever giveaway tickets would've all been seated facing the hard camera. And the rest would've been empty and never shown on camera
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 14, 2021 12:13:22 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how Wrestlemania 7 didn't have enough fan base to fill a 100,000 seat stadium, yet a year later Wrestlemania 8 feels an 80,000 seat stadium and had a lesser match card than the year before. It was a down year for all businesses as I understand it. Bruce Prichard always goes into it on his podcast but I think had it been a normal year, all evidence would suggest if they filled the stadiums for 6 and 8, 8 having an inferior card like you stated, I would imagine they would have packed the house for 7 too which had all the same stars 6 had. 8 is the one that would have concerned me looking at them on paper.
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Post by The Brain on Apr 14, 2021 20:41:39 GMT -5
On the topic of WM VII, Here's a pic of Sarge putting the immortal slime in the camel clutch
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 15, 2021 7:10:31 GMT -5
On the topic of WM VII, Here's a pic of Sarge putting the immortal slime in the camel clutch Ugh, you just had to post a picture of that 2 faced, backstabbing, crooked traitor ...and also in the picture is Sarge & Hulk
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 15, 2021 10:01:51 GMT -5
Ugh, you just had to post a picture of that 2 faced, backstabbing, crooked traitor ...and also in the picture is Sarge & Hulk LOL, Earl is the most innocent of the three. He lied about one thing, the other two had a full time career in lying and a part time job in wrestling. I would have loved to seen that WM in the stadium. I bet at some point someone can do some great audio visual and compile a show with that crowd and the matches. And as mentioned it is crazy that WM 8 got such a big crowd but 7 could not.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 15, 2021 10:18:32 GMT -5
Ugh, you just had to post a picture of that 2 faced, backstabbing, crooked traitor ...and also in the picture is Sarge & Hulk LOL, Earl is the most innocent of the three. He lied about one thing, the other two had a full time career in lying and a part time job in wrestling. I would have loved to seen that WM in the stadium. I bet at some point someone can do some great audio visual and compile a show with that crowd and the matches. And as mentioned it is crazy that WM 8 got such a big crowd but 7 could not. I chalk it up to a combo of the war having just ended and LA sports in general having trouble consistently drawing in fans (outside of the Lakers and Dodgers). Due to Desert Storm at the time, security was tight everywhere and made travel more difficult. This no doubt hindered a lot of the domestic and international travel that would have benefited WM. Throw in the fact that the 16,000 tickets they sold is what they normally drew when in LA at the time and we can see outside of their “regular” fans in the area that nobody else wanted to travel or attend it at the time. A year later when things calmed down and I can see why attendance jumped back up. I agree though that we missed out on a really cool visual of the “Golden Era” coming out to an outdoor stadium full of 100,000 fans. It’s also a shame a lot of the blame seems to be pointed at the Hogan/Slaughter feud when that thing was red hot at the time (even after the war ended). While not great in the ring, heel Slaughter oozed heat and those old promos of him burning the Hogan poster and shirt are gold (as well as the doctored photos of him hanging with Saddam Hussein).
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 15, 2021 10:23:56 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how Wrestlemania 7 didn't have enough fan base to fill a 100,000 seat stadium, yet a year later Wrestlemania 8 feels an 80,000 seat stadium and had a lesser match card than the year before. I dunno about that, I think 8 had a much better card.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 15, 2021 10:47:09 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how Wrestlemania 7 didn't have enough fan base to fill a 100,000 seat stadium, yet a year later Wrestlemania 8 feels an 80,000 seat stadium and had a lesser match card than the year before. I dunno about that, I think 8 had a much better card.
Lesser as in less numbers of matches compared to the year before. I believe 7 had 14 matches on the card, and 8 had around 8 or 9 matches.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Apr 15, 2021 11:16:52 GMT -5
I was at Mania 8 and I think they had about 60,000 people in the Hoosier Dome. The upper upper levels had nobody in them.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 15, 2021 11:26:19 GMT -5
It's kind of funny how Wrestlemania 7 didn't have enough fan base to fill a 100,000 seat stadium, yet a year later Wrestlemania 8 feels an 80,000 seat stadium and had a lesser match card than the year before. I dunno about that, I think 8 had a much better card. Looking back on it now I totally agree, 8 was a great card. If you put yourself in THAT time though, like Shawn was just half of the Rockers, Bret was half of the Hart Foundation, they weren’t draws yet. Hogan was winding down big time, Warrior was unadvertised. Savage was winding down. I agree with you though that I do like 8 better, it’s one of my favorite Manias. I can see how at that time though it wasn’t as grand as 7, WM7 had all the stars in peak form. 8 was a bit of a transition into what would become the hallmark stars of Manias going forward, but maybe not fully appreciated yet at that time.
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 15, 2021 11:51:19 GMT -5
I dunno about that, I think 8 had a much better card. Looking back on it now I totally agree, 8 was a great card. If you put yourself in THAT time though, like Shawn was just half of the Rockers, Bret was half of the Hart Foundation, they weren’t draws yet. Hogan was winding down big time, Warrior was unadvertised. Savage was winding down. I agree with you though that I do like 8 better, it’s one of my favorite Manias. I can see how at that time though it wasn’t as grand as 7, WM7 had all the stars in peak form. 8 was a bit of a transition into what would become the hallmark stars of Manias going forward, but maybe not fully appreciated yet at that time. At that time Bret was 1 year removed from his last televised Hart Foundation match and he'd put on a belter with Mr Perfect at SS91 and had been an IC champ. I think Bret/Piper was a definite draw even at that time. Plus Sid was over as hell during that time, way moreso than Sarge during Mania 7. It did lack Warrior from the year before, but it had Flair who was a major star too.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 15, 2021 11:58:02 GMT -5
Looking back on it now I totally agree, 8 was a great card. If you put yourself in THAT time though, like Shawn was just half of the Rockers, Bret was half of the Hart Foundation, they weren’t draws yet. Hogan was winding down big time, Warrior was unadvertised. Savage was winding down. I agree with you though that I do like 8 better, it’s one of my favorite Manias. I can see how at that time though it wasn’t as grand as 7, WM7 had all the stars in peak form. 8 was a bit of a transition into what would become the hallmark stars of Manias going forward, but maybe not fully appreciated yet at that time. At that time Bret was 1 year removed from his last televised Hart Foundation match and he'd put on a belter with Mr Perfect at SS91 and had been an IC champ. I think Bret/Piper was a definite draw even at that time. Plus Sid was over as hell during that time, way moreso than Sarge during Mania 7. It did lack Warrior from the year before, but it had Flair who was a major star too. I think 8 just had a more intriguing card. I love heel Slaughter but he never came off to me as on the level of typical Hogan heels. Slaughter was a midcarder before his title run and was one not long after it ended. Sid came off as a main eventer regardless of being a face or heel so to me that matchup had a “bigger” feel to it. Add Flair to the mix, as well as both Bret and Taker who had been elevated greatly between WM7 and WM8, and to me WM8 just comes off as a bigger event despite Hulkamania not being at the peak it once was.
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 15, 2021 12:17:13 GMT -5
At that time Bret was 1 year removed from his last televised Hart Foundation match and he'd put on a belter with Mr Perfect at SS91 and had been an IC champ. I think Bret/Piper was a definite draw even at that time. Plus Sid was over as hell during that time, way moreso than Sarge during Mania 7. It did lack Warrior from the year before, but it had Flair who was a major star too. I think 8 just had a more intriguing card. I love heel Slaughter but he never came off to me as on the level of typical Hogan heels. Slaughter was a midcarder before his title run and was one not long after it ended. Sid came off as a main eventer regardless of being a face or heel so to me that matchup had a “bigger” feel to it. Add Flair to the mix, as well as both Bret and Taker who had been elevated greatly between WM7 and WM8, and to me WM8 just comes off as a bigger event despite Hulkamania not being at the peak it once was. I think having Hogan/Quake, Hogan/Perfect or honestly even Hogan/Warrior rematch at Mania 7 would have been better than Slaughter.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 15, 2021 12:39:10 GMT -5
I think 8 just had a more intriguing card. I love heel Slaughter but he never came off to me as on the level of typical Hogan heels. Slaughter was a midcarder before his title run and was one not long after it ended. Sid came off as a main eventer regardless of being a face or heel so to me that matchup had a “bigger” feel to it. Add Flair to the mix, as well as both Bret and Taker who had been elevated greatly between WM7 and WM8, and to me WM8 just comes off as a bigger event despite Hulkamania not being at the peak it once was. I think having Hogan/Quake, Hogan/Perfect or honestly even Hogan/Warrior rematch at Mania 7 would have been better than Slaughter. Agreed. While I like heel Slaughter, I think WM7 should have been the Hogan/Warrior rematch. Rather than rely on a real war to draw for their event (which is funny considering Desert Storm ended over a month before WM7), Hogan/Warrior had a ton of potential. Would Warrior be able to knock off Hogan a 2nd time, or would Hogan prove the previous year was a fluke? The story writes itself. I love Quake but by WM7 Hogan had bested him at SummerSlam, Survivor Series, and at the Rumble. I think that feud had run its course by then. Perfect would have been great against Hogan but I don’t think it had the drawing power of a Hogan/Warrior rematch. Outside of a straight up rematch from WM6, I think the other huge matchup they could have built was Hogan/Warrior/Savage. No they weren’t doing triple threats back then but you have the three biggest stars of the last 4 years finally going at it all at once.
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