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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 15:18:05 GMT -5
Maybe not Austin/Rock level, but like, pretty big. Maybe Orton-level, but as a lifetime face. Do you think Riddle could be huge in coming years?
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Apr 27, 2021 15:25:27 GMT -5
No, WWE isn't in the business of making stars.
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Post by McBlake on Apr 27, 2021 15:29:09 GMT -5
He should be. He's been the highlight of Raw for months, is one of the best in ring workers they've had for years and he somehow makes some truly terrible writing genuinely hilarious.
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Post by King of Kings on Apr 27, 2021 15:33:30 GMT -5
It's a never say never type of thing. As much as people pretend to have thought Randy Orton and John Cena were going to be massive names their entire careers, in 2002, it wasn't the belief that they'd ever carry the company. Nobody thought Deacon Bautista would be a massive star. Nobody thought Bradshaw or Eddie were going to have world title runs. A year or two later, all of those names were main event players in WWE (Bradshaw took a little longer but the point stands).
Things can change pretty quick with the right adjustments. I think Matt Riddle has the capabilities but they need to want it to happen. I think he's kind of being kept in this niche goofy mid-card role right now which concerns me, but you can't elevate someone to the main event too rapidly either because then there's no character progression.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 27, 2021 15:42:33 GMT -5
No, WWE isn't in the business of making stars. And that's just in the past 3-5 years.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 27, 2021 15:43:54 GMT -5
at the current booking rate? Not a chance....If he was booked differently, sure....People may not want to admit it because its cool and trendy to hate WWE and everything about it but WWE has dozens of guys on their roster that if properly booked they could be huge stars....Not necessarily Hogan/Austin/Cena because those are generational talents but easily guys that will actually draw money for the company.
Right now the name of the company is drawing money for them, not the wrestlers.
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Post by Valbroski on Apr 27, 2021 15:54:39 GMT -5
I’m a fan.
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Post by k5 on Apr 27, 2021 15:54:54 GMT -5
at the current booking rate? Not a chance....If he was booked differently, sure.... People may not want to admit it because its cool and trendy to hate WWE and everything about it but WWE has dozens of guys on their roster that if properly booked they could be huge stars....Not necessarily Hogan/Austin/Cena because those are generational talents but easily guys that will actually draw money for the company. Right now the name of the company is drawing money for them, not the wrestlers. I was more of the understanding that the reason it's cool and trendy to hate on WWE is your exact point - everyone knows it has all the potential to be great wrestling and instead is badly booked into oblivion most of the time. it's gotten to the point where it's near defenceless
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Post by k5 on Apr 27, 2021 15:57:14 GMT -5
No, WWE isn't in the business of making stars. And that's just in the past 3-5 years. if that's the ceiling for stardom level in wwe, that just reemphasizes his point. and that's not a diss on the talent. no one who doesn't watch wrestling knows who any of those people are except *maybe* Roman. and that's a big maybe.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 27, 2021 16:17:23 GMT -5
if that's the ceiling for stardom level in wwe, that just reemphasizes his point. and that's not a diss on the talent. no one who doesn't watch wrestling knows who any of those people are except *maybe* Roman. and that's a big maybe. Well, when you're no longer broadcasting a chimera of South Park, Springer and softcore porn on primetime TV, obviously your audience is going to become far, far more niche. Wrestling as a whole, not just WWE, is very much dead from a "watercooler discussion" standpoint. We're in a bubble now, and those are some of the biggest stars in said bubble. Unless 90% of sports and entertainment mediums suddenly fall off the face of the planet, obviously nobody is going to reach that Austin/Rock level ever again.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Apr 27, 2021 17:01:21 GMT -5
Issa no from me, but I don’t mind being proven wrong by any means 🤷🏽♂️
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 27, 2021 17:15:24 GMT -5
I doubt it but you never know
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Post by k5 on Apr 27, 2021 17:20:54 GMT -5
if that's the ceiling for stardom level in wwe, that just reemphasizes his point. and that's not a diss on the talent. no one who doesn't watch wrestling knows who any of those people are except *maybe* Roman. and that's a big maybe. Well, when you're no longer broadcasting a chimera of South Park, Springer and softcore porn on primetime TV, obviously your audience is going to become far, far more niche. Wrestling as a whole, not just WWE, is very much dead from a "watercooler discussion" standpoint. We're in a bubble now, and those are some of the biggest stars in said bubble. Unless 90% of sports and entertainment mediums suddenly fall off the face of the planet, obviously nobody is going to reach that Austin/Rock level ever again. wrestling has been popular many times outside the attitude era. saying wrestlers, and wrestling itself, will never reach those levels of popularity again is as much a baseless presumption as a fan during the attitude era believing that era would never peak out and decline. the wwe are not making mainstream stars. you can say times have change or whatever argument you want, but the fact remains.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 27, 2021 18:08:59 GMT -5
Well, when you're no longer broadcasting a chimera of South Park, Springer and softcore porn on primetime TV, obviously your audience is going to become far, far more niche. Wrestling as a whole, not just WWE, is very much dead from a "watercooler discussion" standpoint. We're in a bubble now, and those are some of the biggest stars in said bubble. Unless 90% of sports and entertainment mediums suddenly fall off the face of the planet, obviously nobody is going to reach that Austin/Rock level ever again. wrestling has been popular many times outside the attitude era. saying wrestlers, and wrestling itself, will never reach those levels of popularity again is as much a baseless presumption as a fan during the attitude era believing that era would never peak out and decline. the wwe are not making mainstream stars. you can say times have change or whatever argument you want, but the fact remains. Wrestling was popular for two very small windows and wrestling had huge crashes after both of those booms. Arguably, the more recent of the two was far more successful for the company than the other. Obviously WWE isn't making mainstream stars, but neither is anybody else for that matter. Wrestling will most likely never hit the mainstream again, especially given the fact that the biggest company in the world has had ratings declining further and further, and the second-biggest company is barely even averaging a million, and its primetime TV show has also gotten pushed aside to other nights multiple times due to various sports playoff games. (Not to mention when it followed an NBA game, a lot of social media thought it was just a knockoff version of WWE.) It's been twenty years since wrestling petered out of the mainstream, and the product WWE presented during that last big boom that made wrestling mainstream has aged horribly these past twenty years especially with the sponsors and various partnerships such as Special Olympics, Make-A-Wish, etc that they have now, so they ain't ever bringing that product back. Wrestling's going to remain a product catered to a very niche audience unless something drastically changes, and I just don't see that happening. You can wait as long as you want for Dad to come back with the milk. But at some point, you have to realize he ain't coming back with that milk.
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 27, 2021 18:26:48 GMT -5
Nah. He will bite himself in the as switch his actions. Give him time.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Apr 27, 2021 18:48:56 GMT -5
He could, unless Randy Orton tries to ruin him with his fake injury. Trying to bury him like he did with Mr. Kennedy
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Post by k5 on Apr 27, 2021 19:44:34 GMT -5
wrestling has been popular many times outside the attitude era. saying wrestlers, and wrestling itself, will never reach those levels of popularity again is as much a baseless presumption as a fan during the attitude era believing that era would never peak out and decline. the wwe are not making mainstream stars. you can say times have change or whatever argument you want, but the fact remains. Wrestling was popular for two very small windows and wrestling had huge crashes after both of those booms. Arguably, the more recent of the two was far more successful for the company than the other. Obviously WWE isn't making mainstream stars, but neither is anybody else for that matter. Wrestling will most likely never hit the mainstream again, especially given the fact that the biggest company in the world has had ratings declining further and further, and the second-biggest company is barely even averaging a million, and its primetime TV show has also gotten pushed aside to other nights multiple times due to various sports playoff games. (Not to mention when it followed an NBA game, a lot of social media thought it was just a knockoff version of WWE.) It's been twenty years since wrestling petered out of the mainstream, and the product WWE presented during that last big boom that made wrestling mainstream has aged horribly these past twenty years especially with the sponsors and various partnerships such as Special Olympics, Make-A-Wish, etc that they have now, so they ain't ever bringing that product back. Wrestling's going to remain a product catered to a very niche audience unless something drastically changes, and I just don't see that happening. You can wait as long as you want for Dad to come back with the milk. But at some point, you have to realize he ain't coming back with that milk. firstly, that is a wwe narrative that wrestling has had two wrestling booms. wrestling boomed in the 50s, 60s, 70s and pre Hogan 80s. the Dumont network's national wrestling was huge, creating stars that went on to be the foundation of the modern territories. after hogan, in the early mid 90s, people thought the horse had left the barn and the general consensus was similar to yours now - then we got the attitude era, which you love to criticize, and not inaccurately, but forget that the reason it connected was because of it's cultural relevance at the time. UFC is not the attitude era and yet still creates stars. wrestling? does not. so while I think you could potentially be right that the days of wrestling being mainstream may be history, I also equally believe in the potential that you'll be proven completely wrong.
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Post by slappy on Apr 27, 2021 20:14:53 GMT -5
No especially given his personal issues which should have cost him his job.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Apr 27, 2021 20:20:01 GMT -5
No especially given his personal issues which should have cost him his job. Has it been proven that he actually assaulted someone? The last I heard her story wasn't lining up. I haven't been paying attention to the situation.
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Post by slappy on Apr 27, 2021 20:42:22 GMT -5
No especially given his personal issues which should have cost him his job. Has it been proven that he actually assaulted someone? The last I heard her story wasn't lining up. I haven't been paying attention to the situation. She is still suing him. Her booking was definitely pulled because of him. It's hard to truly prove a rape/sexual assault unless there is physical evidence. It's a lot of he said she said. Plus it's a bit strange that if the story wasn't true why WWE would drop his first name so people wouldn't see the lawsuit if they searched him. He's also said if it wasn't for weed he'd beat his wife and kids so it definitely seems he has the aggression in him.
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