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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 30, 2021 22:24:04 GMT -5
I don’t think Bryan is leaving, so hopefully this is just to give him a little break to heal up and spend time with family. No way they don’t run him vs Edge at some point.
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 1, 2021 3:14:25 GMT -5
I know I'm probably getting my hopes up for nothing but hope he heads to NXT for couple months before he finishes up.
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Post by LK3 on May 1, 2021 4:46:59 GMT -5
They made it quite clear he’s barred from SmackDown, so I’m guessing he’ll show up somewhere else until his contract is up. NXT would be amazing. Have Adam Cole send him packing when his deal is ending?
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 1, 2021 7:23:35 GMT -5
I thought this "heel" turn made Roman had better matches? No, he still has to be carried. Not enjoying this crap one bit. He's still booked like Superman - only now he's a heel. I'll never accept him in this role/spot, because he's simply not - and will never be, good enough to be in it.
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Post by Yambag Jones on May 1, 2021 11:11:22 GMT -5
I know I'm probably getting my hopes up for nothing but hope he heads to NXT for couple months before he finishes up. It sounds like his deal is up in September. I’m guessing he’ll stay on SD after he somehow gets reinstated
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on May 1, 2021 11:53:43 GMT -5
I thought this "heel" turn made Roman had better matches? No, he still has to be carried. Not enjoying this crap one bit. He's still booked like Superman - only now he's a heel. I'll never accept him in this role/spot, because he's simply not - and will never be, good enough to be in it. If you judge him by WWE's standard definition of a heel (being a chickensh*t, falling down on the tier of competition, putting others over) he has failed. Still relies on gimmick matches, still goes thru his busted routines. Commentary still marks out for him. Reminding me of Triple H's Reign of Terror, only a subpar version. At least Trips worked like someone you would naturally boo. People will say "the payoff is coming and that will be worth it" but I'm skeptical. Is Big E actually gonna be built up enough for that time? Drew coming over? Hollywood Mania is two years away, a long a** time for a given moment with Dwayne. When Head Cheese is struggling in the midcard, only then will I be impressed.
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Post by Tim of thee on May 1, 2021 13:03:23 GMT -5
Really like the late 90s early 2000s vibe of Romans new theme.
Honestly Roman’s my favorite thing going in WWE right now aside from Belair.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 13:20:20 GMT -5
I thought this "heel" turn made Roman had better matches? No, he still has to be carried. Not enjoying this crap one bit. He's still booked like Superman - only now he's a heel. I'll never accept him in this role/spot, because he's simply not - and will never be, good enough to be in it. Then you guys must be blind. He is having the best matches of his career during this run.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on May 1, 2021 14:09:21 GMT -5
No, he still has to be carried. Not enjoying this crap one bit. He's still booked like Superman - only now he's a heel. I'll never accept him in this role/spot, because he's simply not - and will never be, good enough to be in it. Then you guys must be blind. He is having the best matches of his career during this run. Haters gonna hate
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on May 1, 2021 14:26:04 GMT -5
Then you guys must be blind. He is having the best matches of his career during this run. Haters gonna hate It's not easy to go against the grain. Appreciate the support 👍
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 1, 2021 19:59:17 GMT -5
Awesome show. Main event was superb, the Tribal Chief once again putting the B+ Player in his place. Cesaro’s involvement at the end was very much booking to his strengths, but his choice of crappy suits emphasises how awkward and uncool he is so I wish he’d worn something better. Still made a good showing though, giving the Head of the Table a hammering, and now has something to avenge on the way to Backlash.
I liked the emphasis they put on the main event, with predictions throughout the show. I wish they’d do that kind of thing more when they have a big match, spend a show really hyping the main. I’m looking forward to AEW doing a one match card this week for the same reason, I’ve always been curious about a wrestling show using that format.
Main event challengers for Roman are pretty thin on the ground at the moment, which is a little worrying. But he elevated Uso from being a tag wrestler to being a main event talent, so hopefully the likes of Cesaro, Nakamura etc can step up like Jey did.
Big E vs Apollo was good, I enjoyed Owens and Zayn getting involved as well. Sami is a highlight every week, he’s so obnoxious and weasely.
I don’t really care for either of the tag title feuds but both of them were well done on this episode. Aleister Black’s vignettes are alright, but pointless if he comes back and he’s still the same bland wrestler.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on May 2, 2021 1:46:05 GMT -5
I’m looking forward to AEW doing a one match card this week for the same reason, I’ve always been curious about a wrestling show using that format. TNA done that back in 2007. Angle vs Christian vs Rhino went the entire episode of Impact.
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Post by FLUX '97 on May 2, 2021 8:39:39 GMT -5
People are STILL salty that Roman Reigns was picked over Daniel Bryan as "The Guy" huh? Bryan was too injury prone, it's the same reason Finn didn't sniff the world title for ages after he got hurt with the belt. It's been six goddamn years since then and the Roman Reigns you see now is thousands of nautical miles better than the guy who was smiling like a doof while the whole world booed him out of the building. Imagine thinking he needs to be "carried" when he's the one who made everyone fall in love with objectively mid Braun Strowman for six months by carrying him to the best work of his career. Y'all cry and complain that WWE brass molds everyone into being "The Guy", but the guys they've molded for that spot have all more than delivered.
Y'all can keep crying on top of your 2005 ROH DVDs, but Roman is "The Guy" going forward and more than deserves his spot. Acknowledge him.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 2, 2021 9:16:20 GMT -5
I’m looking forward to AEW doing a one match card this week for the same reason, I’ve always been curious about a wrestling show using that format. TNA done that back in 2007. Angle vs Christian vs Rhino went the entire episode of Impact. I don’t mean a match that lasts the whole show, I mean one where (for example) the first hour is just building up to it, in some kind of compelling/interesting way - the WWE pre-shows are dull and lifeless so it’d have to be something different to that... but then like the entrances would happen at the top of the second hour. Then the match takes up the rest of the show, with interviews afterwards and maybe an angle ending the show on a cliffhanger.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on May 2, 2021 11:47:37 GMT -5
People are STILL salty that Roman Reigns was picked over Daniel Bryan as "The Guy" huh? Bryan was too injury prone, it's the same reason Finn didn't sniff the world title for ages after he got hurt with the belt. It's been six goddamn years since then and the Roman Reigns you see now is thousands of nautical miles better than the guy who was smiling like a doof while the whole world booed him out of the building. Imagine thinking he needs to be "carried" when he's the one who made everyone fall in love with objectively mid Braun Strowman for six months by carrying him to the best work of his career. Y'all cry and complain that WWE brass molds everyone into being "The Guy", but the guys they've molded for that spot have all more than delivered. Y'all can keep crying on top of your 2005 ROH DVDs, but Roman is "The Guy" going forward and more than deserves his spot. Acknowledge him. Dat Dude never earned it, and thus never deserved it. Handpicked from the start by management. Anointed as the next top guy before he even broke out of the Shield. He was imbued with characteristics WWE believed made a top babyface and fell flat on his d*mn face. Bloodline royalty discredited in every facet of society besides wrestling, it seems. Has nothing to do with any buzzwords like "workrate". Man showed up in a rookie class and with VERY little accomplishments or demonstration of skill and declared more worthy than any of his peers for a massive push. Like a group of interns showing up for work and on day one ish, one was singles out to become CEO in the next 24 months, no matter what. Serving as a good compliment for another to make that person look as good as possible is different from having so much go-away heat that your opponent gets a rub from destroying your a**. Reigns-Strowman was no Bret-Austin. One takes talent, one takes all the skill of a crash test dummy. Not to mention Braun was meant to be treated as mere monster fodder on Roman's journey back to his redemption against Brock Lesnar, where he also obtained a win over the great John Cena (without dude ever insisting on getting that win back) and becoming the only other guy to beat Taker at WrestleMania. The other: Brock Lesnar. Can't say his current "Tribal Chief" thing is even a meter better than his "The Guy" run. Roman Reigns would best be treated as the heel corporate champion, with an entire production to talk for him, build him up with praise, and shield him from any real challenges. It's always said the best characters are the ones closest to the real you, after all. That is the way you could build a top face in this situation, where the new guy eventually shatters the illusion. He's currently his own corporate champion. Calling his own shots, sidelining Paul Heyman, swinging his d*ck around at "Officially" Adam Pearce. Reigns in this role still isn't believable because NO ONE is above WWE. Worst of all, the aura of him being the best right now isn't being challenged, not by his competition, not by authority figures, not by the stories in his matches, not even by commentary. The run with Kevin Owens was the closest, but that led to nothing for KO and we've moved well passed him caring about it anymore. Why I have always maintained this run is to win over fans, and is not a true heel turn. Not crying. Just stating facts.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 12:25:46 GMT -5
People are STILL salty that Roman Reigns was picked over Daniel Bryan as "The Guy" huh? Bryan was too injury prone, it's the same reason Finn didn't sniff the world title for ages after he got hurt with the belt. It's been six goddamn years since then and the Roman Reigns you see now is thousands of nautical miles better than the guy who was smiling like a doof while the whole world booed him out of the building. Imagine thinking he needs to be "carried" when he's the one who made everyone fall in love with objectively mid Braun Strowman for six months by carrying him to the best work of his career. Y'all cry and complain that WWE brass molds everyone into being "The Guy", but the guys they've molded for that spot have all more than delivered. Y'all can keep crying on top of your 2005 ROH DVDs, but Roman is "The Guy" going forward and more than deserves his spot. Acknowledge him. Since when is Finn injury prone? I can find exactly 3 serious injuries in Finn's entire career. A knee injury in Japan in 2007, the 2016 injury where he vacated, and his recent broken jaw against KOR. For a guy that worked in Japan for almost 8 years, that's pretty damn bulletproof. That bold statement is bold lol. Braun's best work still isn't a damn thing to write home about. I don't know who this 'everyone' who fell in love with Braun was, but it def' ain't me. Talk about go away heat, and Braun is the first person that comes to mind. If we're gonna talk about carrying someone to their best work, Daniel Bryan got a good in ring match out of the freaking Fiend. I really enjoyed the early Funhouse segments, etc, but let's be real. In ring has and will never be the strength of Bray Wyatt. It doesn't need to be, just saying if we're talking about carrying someone. I actually really like this whole Roman tribal chief thing. It's the best work of his career imo. The only crappy part with it to me is the huge botch on the Kevin Owens match where the ref just stopped counting, but that was not Roman's fault at all.
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Post by FLUX '97 on May 2, 2021 12:53:22 GMT -5
People are STILL salty that Roman Reigns was picked over Daniel Bryan as "The Guy" huh? Bryan was too injury prone, it's the same reason Finn didn't sniff the world title for ages after he got hurt with the belt. It's been six goddamn years since then and the Roman Reigns you see now is thousands of nautical miles better than the guy who was smiling like a doof while the whole world booed him out of the building. Imagine thinking he needs to be "carried" when he's the one who made everyone fall in love with objectively mid Braun Strowman for six months by carrying him to the best work of his career. Y'all cry and complain that WWE brass molds everyone into being "The Guy", but the guys they've molded for that spot have all more than delivered. Y'all can keep crying on top of your 2005 ROH DVDs, but Roman is "The Guy" going forward and more than deserves his spot. Acknowledge him. Dat Dude never earned it, and thus never deserved it. Handpicked from the start by management. Anointed as the next top guy before he even broke out of the Shield. He was imbued with characteristics WWE believed made a top babyface and fell flat on his d*mn face. Bloodline royalty discredited in every facet of society besides wrestling, it seems. Has nothing to do with any buzzwords like "workrate". Man showed up in a rookie class and with VERY little accomplishments or demonstration of skill and declared more worthy than any of his peers for a massive push. Like a group of interns showing up for work and on day one ish, one was singles out to become CEO in the next 24 months, no matter what. Serving as a good compliment for another to make that person look as good as possible is different from having so much go-away heat that your opponent gets a rub from destroying your a**. Reigns-Strowman was no Bret-Austin. One takes talent, one takes all the skill of a crash test dummy. Not to mention Braun was meant to be treated as mere monster fodder on Roman's journey back to his redemption against Brock Lesnar, where he also obtained a win over the great John Cena (without dude ever insisting on getting that win back) and becoming the only other guy to beat Taker at WrestleMania. The other: Brock Lesnar. Can't say his current "Tribal Chief" thing is even a meter better than his "The Guy" run. Roman Reigns would best be treated as the heel corporate champion, with an entire production to talk for him, build him up with praise, and shield him from any real challenges. It's always said the best characters are the ones closest to the real you, after all. That is the way you could build a top face in this situation, where the new guy eventually shatters the illusion. He's currently his own corporate champion. Calling his own shots, sidelining Paul Heyman, swinging his d*ck around at "Officially" Adam Pearce. Reigns in this role still isn't believable because NO ONE is above WWE. Worst of all, the aura of him being the best right now isn't being challenged, not by his competition, not by authority figures, not by the stories in his matches, not even by commentary. The run with Kevin Owens was the closest, but that led to nothing for KO and we've moved well passed him caring about it anymore. Why I have always maintained this run is to win over fans, and is not a true heel turn. Not crying. Just stating facts. The fact that you don't think that a guy who has worked his ass off to be a ring general and locker room leader "doesn't deserve it" or "hasn't earned it" tells me all I need to know. Roman could've retired outright when he was diagnosed with leukemia for the second time and been set for life, but he kicked cancer's crap in and came back to prove that he cares about WWE and the wrestling business and he did just that. Now he's having the best run of his entire career and y'all are STILL drinking that six year old Haterade because Vince was deadset on him being a main eventer and you don't like it. Turns out...Roman makes for a pretty good goddamn main eventer. I'm not denying it took him a couple years to get to that point, but to still keep those rose-tinted glasses on and still see that smiling doofus talking about tater tots and succotash when you see The Tribal Chief is just you trying your best to hate the dude at this point. When you want to talk about preferential treatment, Roman came in to an NXT that was being main evented by...*checks notes* Bo Dallas, Leo Kruger, The Ascension, Pre-Maharaja and even Pre-3MB Jinder Mahal and Richie Steamboat. He also barely even did anything and was gone from NXT in a month. Plenty of others have either bullrushed through NXT or skipped it entirely and flopped (Paging Mike Kanellis and for the most part, Braun Strowman and Apollo Crews). We really going to bat for those scrubs, half of those not even being active in wrestling right now, and saying they deserve the world while Roman doesn't deserve squat? I don't think so. Before that, he was in FCW teaming with perennial WWE afterthought Tanga Loa before he even became Tanga Loa and current NXT afterthought Tyler Breeze before he even became Tyler Breeze. Real preferential treatment there, I'm sure. The thing is with The Shield, all three of them were made stars, not just Roman. All three guys are multi-time World Champions and PPV headliners. Yes, Roman faced guys like Undertaker and Brock, but Roman beat an old, hobbled, crippled Undertaker it also took Roman 3 full years to beat Brock...at SummerSlam and not even at Mania. Meanwhile, Seth Rollins beat Brock twice in the matter of six months. And then they used Brock again to make Drew McIntyre a star. Where's the complaining about the fact that Drew was suddenly pushed to the moon (not even going into detail about the failed push in 2010-11)? Is it just because he worked the indies for years and Roman didn't? Also, the fact that you're whining about Roman "being handed the role as top guy" but praising Cena (who yes, is also very great, I don't disagree with you on that) is very delicious irony.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on May 2, 2021 15:29:10 GMT -5
Dat Dude never earned it, and thus never deserved it. Handpicked from the start by management. Anointed as the next top guy before he even broke out of the Shield. He was imbued with characteristics WWE believed made a top babyface and fell flat on his d*mn face. Bloodline royalty discredited in every facet of society besides wrestling, it seems. Has nothing to do with any buzzwords like "workrate". Man showed up in a rookie class and with VERY little accomplishments or demonstration of skill and declared more worthy than any of his peers for a massive push. Like a group of interns showing up for work and on day one ish, one was singles out to become CEO in the next 24 months, no matter what. Serving as a good compliment for another to make that person look as good as possible is different from having so much go-away heat that your opponent gets a rub from destroying your a**. Reigns-Strowman was no Bret-Austin. One takes talent, one takes all the skill of a crash test dummy. Not to mention Braun was meant to be treated as mere monster fodder on Roman's journey back to his redemption against Brock Lesnar, where he also obtained a win over the great John Cena (without dude ever insisting on getting that win back) and becoming the only other guy to beat Taker at WrestleMania. The other: Brock Lesnar. Can't say his current "Tribal Chief" thing is even a meter better than his "The Guy" run. Roman Reigns would best be treated as the heel corporate champion, with an entire production to talk for him, build him up with praise, and shield him from any real challenges. It's always said the best characters are the ones closest to the real you, after all. That is the way you could build a top face in this situation, where the new guy eventually shatters the illusion. He's currently his own corporate champion. Calling his own shots, sidelining Paul Heyman, swinging his d*ck around at "Officially" Adam Pearce. Reigns in this role still isn't believable because NO ONE is above WWE. Worst of all, the aura of him being the best right now isn't being challenged, not by his competition, not by authority figures, not by the stories in his matches, not even by commentary. The run with Kevin Owens was the closest, but that led to nothing for KO and we've moved well passed him caring about it anymore. Why I have always maintained this run is to win over fans, and is not a true heel turn. Not crying. Just stating facts. The fact that you don't think that a guy who has worked his ass off to be a ring general and locker room leader "doesn't deserve it" or "hasn't earned it" tells me all I need to know. Roman could've retired outright when he was diagnosed with leukemia for the second time and been set for life, but he kicked cancer's crap in and came back to prove that he cares about WWE and the wrestling business and he did just that. Now he's having the best run of his entire career and y'all are STILL drinking that six year old Haterade because Vince was deadset on him being a main eventer and you don't like it. Turns out...Roman makes for a pretty good goddamn main eventer. I'm not denying it took him a couple years to get to that point, but to still keep those rose-tinted glasses on and still see that smiling doofus talking about tater tots and succotash when you see The Tribal Chief is just you trying your best to hate the dude at this point. When you want to talk about preferential treatment, Roman came in to an NXT that was being main evented by...*checks notes* Bo Dallas, Leo Kruger, The Ascension, Pre-Maharaja and even Pre-3MB Jinder Mahal and Richie Steamboat. He also barely even did anything and was gone from NXT in a month. Plenty of others have either bullrushed through NXT or skipped it entirely and flopped (Paging Mike Kanellis and for the most part, Braun Strowman and Apollo Crews). We really going to bat for those scrubs, half of those not even being active in wrestling right now, and saying they deserve the world while Roman doesn't deserve squat? I don't think so. Before that, he was in FCW teaming with perennial WWE afterthought Tanga Loa before he even became Tanga Loa and current NXT afterthought Tyler Breeze before he even became Tyler Breeze. Real preferential treatment there, I'm sure. The thing is with The Shield, all three of them were made stars, not just Roman. All three guys are multi-time World Champions and PPV headliners. Yes, Roman faced guys like Undertaker and Brock, but Roman beat an old, hobbled, crippled Undertaker it also took Roman 3 full years to beat Brock...at SummerSlam and not even at Mania. Meanwhile, Seth Rollins beat Brock twice in the matter of six months. And then they used Brock again to make Drew McIntyre a star. Where's the complaining about the fact that Drew was suddenly pushed to the moon (not even going into detail about the failed push in 2010-11)? Is it just because he worked the indies for years and Roman didn't? Also, the fact that you're whining about Roman "being handed the role as top guy" but praising Cena (who yes, is also very great, I don't disagree with you on that) is very delicious irony. Last line claiming that I praised Cena is enough to let me know not to bother LMAO
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Post by Thunder Chunky on May 3, 2021 21:27:38 GMT -5
People are STILL salty that Roman Reigns was picked over Daniel Bryan as "The Guy" huh? Bryan was too injury prone, it's the same reason Finn didn't sniff the world title for ages after he got hurt with the belt. It's been six goddamn years since then and the Roman Reigns you see now is thousands of nautical miles better than the guy who was smiling like a doof while the whole world booed him out of the building. Imagine thinking he needs to be "carried" when he's the one who made everyone fall in love with objectively mid Braun Strowman for six months by carrying him to the best work of his career. Y'all cry and complain that WWE brass molds everyone into being "The Guy", but the guys they've molded for that spot have all more than delivered. Y'all can keep crying on top of your 2005 ROH DVDs, but Roman is "The Guy" going forward and more than deserves his spot. Acknowledge him. Dat Dude never earned it, and thus never deserved it. Handpicked from the start by management. Anointed as the next top guy before he even broke out of the Shield. He was imbued with characteristics WWE believed made a top babyface and fell flat on his d*mn face. Bloodline royalty discredited in every facet of society besides wrestling, it seems. Has nothing to do with any buzzwords like "workrate". Man showed up in a rookie class and with VERY little accomplishments or demonstration of skill and declared more worthy than any of his peers for a massive push. Like a group of interns showing up for work and on day one ish, one was singles out to become CEO in the next 24 months, no matter what. Serving as a good compliment for another to make that person look as good as possible is different from having so much go-away heat that your opponent gets a rub from destroying your a**. Reigns-Strowman was no Bret-Austin. One takes talent, one takes all the skill of a crash test dummy. Not to mention Braun was meant to be treated as mere monster fodder on Roman's journey back to his redemption against Brock Lesnar, where he also obtained a win over the great John Cena (without dude ever insisting on getting that win back) and becoming the only other guy to beat Taker at WrestleMania. The other: Brock Lesnar. Can't say his current "Tribal Chief" thing is even a meter better than his "The Guy" run. Roman Reigns would best be treated as the heel corporate champion, with an entire production to talk for him, build him up with praise, and shield him from any real challenges. It's always said the best characters are the ones closest to the real you, after all. That is the way you could build a top face in this situation, where the new guy eventually shatters the illusion. He's currently his own corporate champion. Calling his own shots, sidelining Paul Heyman, swinging his d*ck around at "Officially" Adam Pearce. Reigns in this role still isn't believable because NO ONE is above WWE. Worst of all, the aura of him being the best right now isn't being challenged, not by his competition, not by authority figures, not by the stories in his matches, not even by commentary. The run with Kevin Owens was the closest, but that led to nothing for KO and we've moved well passed him caring about it anymore. Why I have always maintained this run is to win over fans, and is not a true heel turn. Not crying. Just stating facts. What, in your opinion, would have made Reigns "earn" his spot?
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on May 4, 2021 1:26:10 GMT -5
What, in your opinion, would have made Reigns earn his spot? Just speaking for myself and not all the blind neckbeard haters out there in the nebulous hate-filled void of anti-Vince hatery. But I would say a constant progression of improvement from being low on the card to the top, if he had showcased the ability, like every other person is expected to do in every other facet of society. If he had done well for himself in the midcard, you move him up the ranks. If some aspect of his character fails or doesn't connect with the audience, go back to the drawing board and try something else. This isn't rocket science, for hug's sake.
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