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Post by theman on Jul 3, 2021 16:11:17 GMT -5
Road Warriors are number one. End of discussion.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jul 3, 2021 20:51:20 GMT -5
You can all laugh at the New Day but look at few things:
* Tag title reigns * Drawing power * Longevity and staying power * Popularity
I mean by every metric, they are one of the most successful WWE tag teams of all time.
I think Road Warriors/LOD definitely belong in the Top 5, but even putting them at No. 1 is tough for me because they just never had that crossover success in WWE.
Also, lists like this all come down to opinion at the end of the day. It's not worth getting too bent out of shape over them.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 3, 2021 21:45:50 GMT -5
You can all laugh at the New Day but look at few things: * Tag title reigns * Drawing power * Longevity and staying power * Popularity I mean by every metric, they are one of the most successful WWE tag teams of all time. I think Road Warriors/LOD definitely belong in the Top 5, but even putting them at No. 1 is tough for me because they just never had that crossover success in WWE. Also, lists like this all come down to opinion at the end of the day. It's not worth getting too bent out of shape over them. While I can agree with two of your points, Longevity/Staying Power and Popularity, the first two are meaningless. Title Reigns don't have very much meaning compared to years ago. I mean John Cena is a 16 time world champion but did he hold the titles collectively as long as Bruno did with only 2 reigns? I also believe that Austin had 6 or 7 reigns but didn't hold them for as long as Hogan did who had just as many reigns, at least in total number of days. Not that holding the titles for that many times doesn't mean anything, but to say that they held 11 and another team held 5 so that means they are better doesn't really hold water. And as for drawing power, while they are popular, wrestling in terms of viewer ratings and show attendance is at all-time lows over the last decade, kind of hard to say they have drawing power if that is the case.
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Post by theman on Jul 3, 2021 21:52:49 GMT -5
You can all laugh at the New Day but look at few things: * Tag title reigns * Drawing power * Longevity and staying power * Popularity I mean by every metric, they are one of the most successful WWE tag teams of all time. I think Road Warriors/LOD definitely belong in the Top 5, but even putting them at No. 1 is tough for me because they just never had that crossover success in WWE. Also, lists like this all come down to opinion at the end of the day. It's not worth getting too bent out of shape over them. While I can agree with two of your points, Longevity/Staying Power and Popularity, the first two are meaningless. Title Reigns don't have very much meaning compared to years ago. I mean John Cena is a 16 time world champion but did he hold the titles collectively as long as Bruno did with only 2 reigns? I also believe that Austin had 6 or 7 reigns but didn't hold them for as long as Hogan did who had just as many reigns, at least in total number of days. Not that holding the titles for that many times doesn't mean anything, but to say that they held 11 and another team held 5 so that means they are better doesn't really hold water. And as for drawing power, while they are popular, wrestling in terms of viewer ratings and show attendance is at all-time lows over the last decade, kind of hard to say they have drawing power if that is the case. Titel Reigns? It's easy to have the most title reigns when you're the only team that has stuck together the past decade or so. Drawing power?? The business has been on a downard trend for years and not one person has ever bought a ticket due to the New Day. Popularity? You are aware what they call the Road Warrior pop aren't you?? It's something the New Day has never experienced, even when Kofi beat Bryan, that pop was NOTHING compared to the Road Warriors Pop.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 4, 2021 7:48:49 GMT -5
Road Warriors are number one. End of discussion. I loved them when I was a kid too. They looked great in promo pics, their entrance music and shoulder pads were awesome, and their finisher was cool. But their run only lasted two years, had very few classic matches or moments, and when they came back five years later they were quickly exposed as embarrassing old relics of the past. Maybe they were genuinely great in the territories or Japan, but they didn’t spend long enough (or do anything great enough) in the big leagues to be number one on the list.
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Post by k5 on Jul 4, 2021 11:20:33 GMT -5
Road Warriors are number one. End of discussion. I loved them when I was a kid too. They looked great in promo pics, their entrance music and shoulder pads were awesome, and their finisher was cool. But their run only lasted two years, had very few classic matches or moments, and when they came back five years later they were quickly exposed as embarrassing old relics of the past. Maybe they were genuinely great in the territories or Japan, but they didn’t spend long enough (or do anything great enough) in the big leagues to be number one on the list. Japan in the late 80s/early 90s was absolutely the big leagues. there's a reason talent would negotiate to tour while in American contracts and why people like the bulldogs didn't have a problem saying Vince and going to Baba for a deal.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 4, 2021 12:22:14 GMT -5
I loved them when I was a kid too. They looked great in promo pics, their entrance music and shoulder pads were awesome, and their finisher was cool. But their run only lasted two years, had very few classic matches or moments, and when they came back five years later they were quickly exposed as embarrassing old relics of the past. Maybe they were genuinely great in the territories or Japan, but they didn’t spend long enough (or do anything great enough) in the big leagues to be number one on the list. Japan in the late 80s/early 90s was absolutely the big leagues. there's a reason talent would negotiate to tour while in American contracts and why people like the bulldogs didn't have a problem saying Vince and going to Baba for a deal. What was the LOD’s best Japanese match?
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Post by k5 on Jul 4, 2021 13:10:58 GMT -5
Japan in the late 80s/early 90s was absolutely the big leagues. there's a reason talent would negotiate to tour while in American contracts and why people like the bulldogs didn't have a problem saying Vince and going to Baba for a deal. What was the LOD’s best Japanese match? I'm not really a big Road Warriors guy outside of their appearances in NWA when they just clobbered people, so I'm not the best answer to that guys like Bam Bam, Vader, Hansen, Bulldogs, Furnas and Kroffat, Steiners, and the list goes on had several good to great matches in Japan in that time frame.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jul 5, 2021 1:04:07 GMT -5
You can all laugh at the New Day but look at few things: * Tag title reigns * Drawing power * Longevity and staying power * Popularity I mean by every metric, they are one of the most successful WWE tag teams of all time. I think Road Warriors/LOD definitely belong in the Top 5, but even putting them at No. 1 is tough for me because they just never had that crossover success in WWE. Also, lists like this all come down to opinion at the end of the day. It's not worth getting too bent out of shape over them. While I can agree with two of your points, Longevity/Staying Power and Popularity, the first two are meaningless. Title Reigns don't have very much meaning compared to years ago. I mean John Cena is a 16 time world champion but did he hold the titles collectively as long as Bruno did with only 2 reigns? I also believe that Austin had 6 or 7 reigns but didn't hold them for as long as Hogan did who had just as many reigns, at least in total number of days. Not that holding the titles for that many times doesn't mean anything, but to say that they held 11 and another team held 5 so that means they are better doesn't really hold water. And as for drawing power, while they are popular, wrestling in terms of viewer ratings and show attendance is at all-time lows over the last decade, kind of hard to say they have drawing power if that is the case. New Day held the Raw tag titles for 483 days, well over a year at one point. A rare feat for any tag team in this era. That doesn't count for anything? You can say attendance and ratings are at their lowest, while WWE is making record profits, so how is that? Clearly, New Day are top merchandise sellers as well. That also counts for something, does it not?
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 5, 2021 3:01:10 GMT -5
While I can agree with two of your points, Longevity/Staying Power and Popularity, the first two are meaningless. Title Reigns don't have very much meaning compared to years ago. I mean John Cena is a 16 time world champion but did he hold the titles collectively as long as Bruno did with only 2 reigns? I also believe that Austin had 6 or 7 reigns but didn't hold them for as long as Hogan did who had just as many reigns, at least in total number of days. Not that holding the titles for that many times doesn't mean anything, but to say that they held 11 and another team held 5 so that means they are better doesn't really hold water. And as for drawing power, while they are popular, wrestling in terms of viewer ratings and show attendance is at all-time lows over the last decade, kind of hard to say they have drawing power if that is the case. New Day held the Raw tag titles for 483 days, well over a year at one point. A rare feat for any tag team in this era. That doesn't count for anything? You can say attendance and ratings are at their lowest, while WWE is making record profits, so how is that? Clearly, New Day are top merchandise sellers as well. That also counts for something, does it not? No. Not really. It is somewhat impressive that they did hold it for that long, but, the tag team division was, and is terrible, there really is no competition for them. You could tell at the end of the run that they were forcing them to break the record of holding the tag titles for that long. As was evident that they dropped the titles not long after surpassing the old record. It seemed like the whole point was for them to break the record. And if the record was that important then Demolition would be number 2 on the list as they were the ones who held the previous record for longest title reign. The record profits seem to be coming from other entities, most notably the selling of the WWE library to NBC. I also believe the record profits over the last year or so have been in part because of the pandemic. They were not having the costs they use to because they did not have to travel around the country, pay arena costs, state taxes, and employee salaries (not just that of wrestlers). They got to keep the TV deal money and didn't have to pay a lot of expenses for house shows. Not to mention, they did release a bunch of talent during that time which reduced the amount of money they paid out to talent which helped raise profits. I also believe the McMahon's sold a bunch of stocks during this time as well. All that has helped with the increase in profits. But, I guess we will just agree to disagree.
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 5, 2021 3:52:10 GMT -5
You can all laugh at the New Day but look at few things: * Tag title reigns * Drawing power * Longevity and staying power * Popularity I mean by every metric, they are one of the most successful WWE tag teams of all time. I think Road Warriors/LOD definitely belong in the Top 5, but even putting them at No. 1 is tough for me because they just never had that crossover success in WWE. Also, lists like this all come down to opinion at the end of the day. It's not worth getting too bent out of shape over them. If you're looking at drawing power and popularity they'd have to be among the worst teams ever. There's almost never been fewer eyes on the product as there is right now, and it's been getting progressively lower for their entire run. These lists always lean heavy on the current product to try and get the current stuff over. It's silly to get bent out of shape over it, but let's not lie to ourselves about the state of the current product. WWE making more money now than ever is not impressive when it's coming from fewer fans. It's not sustainable.
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Post by walkingturtles on Jul 7, 2021 12:02:55 GMT -5
List is a joke, designed to get New Day over to help the current tag division. New Day couldn’t draw anywhere near the business the great teams of the 80s could. They sell merchandise to kids and have more eyes on their YouTube show than wrestling.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jul 7, 2021 12:38:20 GMT -5
Way too many people are stuck in the 80s.
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Post by k5 on Jul 7, 2021 13:19:45 GMT -5
Way too many people are stuck in the 80s. I didn't even grow up in the 80s but if you can't see that the bulldogs and the hart foundation outmatch anything new day has done then I'd say you're stuck in the present. that said, let wwe have their silly list. people who know it's silly won't be influenced by this. lol
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 7, 2021 22:28:07 GMT -5
Way too many people are stuck in the 80s. I didn't even grow up in the 80s but if you can't see that the bulldogs and the hart foundation outmatch anything new day has done then I'd say you're stuck in the present. that said, let wwe have their silly list. people who know it's silly won't be influenced by this. lol The list isn’t about who had the best matches. It’s about accomplishments within the company. It’s a kayfabe list.
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Post by k5 on Jul 8, 2021 0:18:30 GMT -5
I didn't even grow up in the 80s but if you can't see that the bulldogs and the hart foundation outmatch anything new day has done then I'd say you're stuck in the present. that said, let wwe have their silly list. people who know it's silly won't be influenced by this. lol The list isn’t about who had the best matches. It’s about accomplishments within the company. It’s a kayfabe list. I'm with you there.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jul 9, 2021 18:38:48 GMT -5
You can all laugh at the New Day but look at few things: * Tag title reigns * Drawing power * Longevity and staying power * Popularity I mean by every metric, they are one of the most successful WWE tag teams of all time. I think Road Warriors/LOD definitely belong in the Top 5, but even putting them at No. 1 is tough for me because they just never had that crossover success in WWE. Also, lists like this all come down to opinion at the end of the day. It's not worth getting too bent out of shape over them. If you're looking at drawing power and popularity they'd have to be among the worst teams ever. There's almost never been fewer eyes on the product as there is right now, and it's been getting progressively lower for their entire run. These lists always lean heavy on the current product to try and get the current stuff over. It's silly to get bent out of shape over it, but let's not lie to ourselves about the state of the current product. WWE making more money now than ever is not impressive when it's coming from fewer fans. It's not sustainable. Yet the company is making bigger record profits than ever before.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jul 10, 2021 6:08:18 GMT -5
Fire & Ice are up there for me. Shame their run was so short. Also can't forget Jim Powers & Hardwork Bobby Walker
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 10, 2021 19:24:27 GMT -5
Way too many people are stuck in the 80s. I mean………have you seen today’s product? lmao
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jul 10, 2021 19:49:13 GMT -5
#1 Too Cool
Then everybody else 😁
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