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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 21:30:44 GMT -5
Man WWE is losing their stars, but at the same time they aren't making any so how does that work out lol. I love how WWE has successfully made exactly two stars in the past 6 years and in both cases it took something out of Vince's control to make it manifest. Let's never forget stone cold Steve Austin could have been chilly Mcfreeze.
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Post by LK3 on Sept 8, 2021 21:48:52 GMT -5
Man WWE is losing their stars, but at the same time they aren't making any so how does that work out lol. It doesn't lol.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Sept 8, 2021 22:33:24 GMT -5
I love how WWE has successfully made exactly two stars in the past 6 years and in both cases it took something out of Vince's control to make it manifest. Let's never forget stone cold Steve Austin could have been chilly Mcfreeze. Honestly? Chilly McFreeze is awful. But my immediate thought upon reading this is "Chilly McFreeze would have still been a better booking decision than Vince's desire to make himself the father of Steph's child"
My brain has thoughts like that and I wonder how the hell this company still exists.
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Post by sonstuds on Sept 8, 2021 22:37:20 GMT -5
WWE's gonna troll everyone by releasing Kevin Owens a week before his contract expires so AEW fans have to wait an extra 90 days.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 9, 2021 0:55:56 GMT -5
Man WWE is really willfully letting go of top talent and giving AEW so much ammunition. I remember about a year or so the roster being so bloated with main event talent. But now, how many full time “big” stars do they have,
Roman Lashley Rollins Bálor McIntyre AJ Styles Orton Becky
Those are literally the only stars I can think of. AEW’s roster is stacked in comparison IMO.
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Post by GBGav on Sept 9, 2021 6:09:57 GMT -5
Man WWE is really willfully letting go of top talent and giving AEW so much ammunition. I remember about a year or so the roster being so bloated with main event talent. But now, how many full time “big” stars do they have, Roman Lashley Rollins Bálor McIntyre AJ Styles Orton Becky Those are literally the only stars I can think of. AEW’s roster is stacked in comparison IMO. Usually when WWE have competition they're supposed to up their game and respond by being better. But this is just bizarre. At this rate they are going to lose even more people such as Owens, Balor, Sami and Styles. Not to mention the best of NXT. There's not much about WWE that makes me want to keep watching. As a wrestling fan it'd be great if both WWE and AEW were on fire so I could enjoy it all. But right now only AEW and NXT are worth watching for me. And who knows how long NXT will keep that up with their forthcoming changes.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 9, 2021 7:11:36 GMT -5
WWE's gonna troll everyone by releasing Kevin Owens a week before his contract expires so AEW fans have to wait an extra 90 days. The fact that this is a possibility speaks to how far off the mark VKM is.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 10, 2021 17:21:47 GMT -5
If AEW made Rampage a 2 hour show (probs on a different day or night) and grabbed Balor, AJ, K.O, Sami, Bray, Braun, Murphy... they’d really hit the jackpot tbh.
I don’t know why WWE has released so many top talent and potential top talent. At least other companies can sign these guys but the E really needs to maintain their roster.
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Post by McBlake on Sept 10, 2021 17:35:35 GMT -5
WWE's gonna troll everyone by releasing Kevin Owens a week before his contract expires so AEW fans have to wait an extra 90 days. The fact that this is a possibility speaks to how far off the mark VKM is. Pretty sure it's not possible. Non-compete surely can't be enforceable after contract expiry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 17:57:48 GMT -5
The fact that this is a possibility speaks to how far off the mark VKM is. Pretty sure it's not possible. Non-compete surely can't be enforceable after contract expiry. You're correct I believe. From what I understand these 90 day clauses are "we're releasing you in 90 days" not "you're released, here's a 90 day no compete". Actual no compete clauses work different, but I believe these 90 days are just a 90 day layoff notice rather than a non compete.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 11, 2021 14:57:26 GMT -5
I remember about a year or so the roster being so bloated with main event talent. But now, how many full time “big” stars do they have, Roman Lashley Rollins Bálor McIntyre AJ Styles Orton Becky Those are literally the only stars I can think of. Belair and Flair are on the same level as Styles and Balor, at least. Sasha Banks is a bigger star than probably everyone there other than Roman, although she never seems to be around long anymore. I’m not sure why you think the main event pool was a lot bigger a year ago though? Bryan is a loss since then, Braun and Bray too I guess, but this time last year, they didn’t have Becky or Balor on the main roster, and Lashley and Belair hadn’t ascended yet. Although they did have Bayley, Sasha and Asuka going strong. Eh, the only AEW wrestlers that would be worthy additions to that list are Punk and Bryan, and neither of them are anywhere near Lashley or Roman’s level in 2021. Jericho and Ambrose too, actually. I didn’t consider them at first because of the rough shape they’re in these days, but then it’s not like Punk is in great condition atm either and I definitely would put him on the stars list. I don’t think those four are a more impressive list than the eight you had originally though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 15:12:25 GMT -5
Outside of Becky and MAYBE Alexa, Sasha is the biggest female star WWE has on their roster and her stock is growing exponentially with her venture into Hollywood (The Mandalorian series). But given WWE's track record of severely mismanaging her character and overall pissing her off, would not at all be surprised to see her bounce by 2022, either for a fulltime career in acting or to AEW.
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Post by henrywwemattel on Sept 11, 2021 21:53:48 GMT -5
If AEW made Rampage a 2 hour show (probs on a different day or night) and grabbed Balor, AJ, K.O, Sami, Bray, Braun, Murphy... they’d really hit the jackpot tbh. I don’t know why WWE has released so many top talent and potential top talent. At least other companies can sign these guys but the E really needs to maintain their roster. I doubt WWE wants to be actively releasing its talent. The magnitude of the financial hit of the pandemic for WWE must have been absolutely unreal. Payroll is likely WWE's largest expense being an entertainment company. While this is great current news for AEW, as a sense of normalcy comes back, so will WWE's profitability. I predict tons of new acquisitions over the next 2-3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 22:24:56 GMT -5
If AEW made Rampage a 2 hour show (probs on a different day or night) and grabbed Balor, AJ, K.O, Sami, Bray, Braun, Murphy... they’d really hit the jackpot tbh. I don’t know why WWE has released so many top talent and potential top talent. At least other companies can sign these guys but the E really needs to maintain their roster. I doubt WWE wants to be actively releasing its talent. The magnitude of the financial hit of the pandemic for WWE must have been absolutely unreal. . Uhhh, negative on that one. WWE had it's most profitable year in history in 2020. The released talent had like a 1% impact on profits
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Sept 12, 2021 4:17:37 GMT -5
WWE doesn't care who they're release since it's the brand name that brings the money and viewers. The talent these days doesn't sell the WWE brand so whoever gets released isn't that big to Nick Khan and Vince McMahon imo.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 12, 2021 7:18:00 GMT -5
I doubt WWE wants to be actively releasing its talent. The magnitude of the financial hit of the pandemic for WWE must have been absolutely unreal. . Uhhh, negative on that one. WWE had it's most profitable year in history in 2020. The released talent had like a 1% impact on profits That’s a bingo
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 12, 2021 10:43:38 GMT -5
WWE doesn't care who they're release since it's the brand name that brings the money and viewers. The talent these days doesn't sell the WWE brand so whoever gets released isn't that big to Nick Khan and Vince McMahon imo. This 100% You dont go to Disney on Ice to specifically see Daffy Duck. You dont go to the Ringling Bros to specifically see one artist...You go for the show. Its why Vince doesnt want stars bigger than his company because his company IS the star. This is where WWE has positioned themselves as an entertainment group.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Sept 12, 2021 11:44:12 GMT -5
WWE doesn't care who they're release since it's the brand name that brings the money and viewers. The talent these days doesn't sell the WWE brand so whoever gets released isn't that big to Nick Khan and Vince McMahon imo. This 100% You dont go to Disney on Ice to specifically see Daffy Duck. You dont go to the Ringling Bros to specifically see one artist...You go for the show. Its why Vince doesnt want stars bigger than his company because his company IS the star. This is where WWE has positioned themselves as an entertainment group.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Sept 12, 2021 11:48:18 GMT -5
WWE doesn't care who they're release since it's the brand name that brings the money and viewers. The talent these days doesn't sell the WWE brand so whoever gets released isn't that big to Nick Khan and Vince McMahon imo. This 100% You dont go to Disney on Ice to specifically see Daffy Duck. You dont go to the Ringling Bros to specifically see one artist...You go for the show. Its why Vince doesnt want stars bigger than his company because his company IS the star. This is where WWE has positioned themselves as an entertainment group. Someone is definitely gonna be disappointed if they go to Disney on Ice and expect to see Daffy Duck… … on the other hand, they’d also be an idiot.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 12, 2021 12:18:45 GMT -5
I remember about a year or so the roster being so bloated with main event talent. But now, how many full time “big” stars do they have, Roman Lashley Rollins Bálor McIntyre AJ Styles Orton Becky Those are literally the only stars I can think of. Belair and Flair are on the same level as Styles and Balor, at least. Sasha Banks is a bigger star than probably everyone there other than Roman, although she never seems to be around long anymore. I’m not sure why you think the main event pool was a lot bigger a year ago though? Bryan is a loss since then, Braun and Bray too I guess, but this time last year, they didn’t have Becky or Balor on the main roster, and Lashley and Belair hadn’t ascended yet. Although they did have Bayley, Sasha and Asuka going strong. Eh, the only AEW wrestlers that would be worthy additions to that list are Punk and Bryan, and neither of them are anywhere near Lashley or Roman’s level in 2021. Jericho and Ambrose too, actually. I didn’t consider them at first because of the rough shape they’re in these days, but then it’s not like Punk is in great condition atm either and I definitely would put him on the stars list. I don’t think those four are a more impressive list than the eight you had originally though. By stacked I mean there’s more than 5 guys you can plug into the main event scene and it would be believable. Nobody would bat an eye if someone other than established main eventer getting a title shot: MJF Sammy Guevara Jungle Boy Darby Allin Orange Cassidy Hangman Page PAC Eddie Kingston None of those guys are established Main eventers, yet all of those guys are waiting in the wings to get a shot and it would be believable. That’s a testament to how well AEW has been building talent. On the men’s side for WWE, other than the handful of guys I named, how many of them can you drop into the main event scene and it would be believable? Not a lot at all. Either they’ve been jobbed into oblivion or have been overexposed to the point where the audience isn’t engaged anymore. You named some female talent like Sasha, Bianca, and Flair which is good and I think the women arguably has more star power than the men’s side. BTW, to compare Lashley to Bryan or Punk is far fetched. Roman you can make the comparison because he’s been the only watchable part of the product. Not sure what you mean by Ambrose being in rough shape either. The guy is like 36..
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