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Post by theman on Jul 3, 2021 16:02:06 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you guys are aware of this but The Rock said on twitter that Hulk Hogan vs The Iron Shiek in 1984 was the most important match of all time. Corey Graves and Vic Joseph got into a dicsussion and said they agreed with The Rock but mentioned three other matches to consider.......Wrestlemania 1 Hogan/Mr. T vs Piper/Orton, Wrestlemania 3 Hogan vs Andre The Giant and Wrestlemania 6 where Hulk Hogan faced The Ultimate Warrior. What do all 4 matches have in common??? Hulk Freaking Hogan. All the smarks can talk about that guy in Japan or that flipper flopper in AEW or some other guy that can flip and jump and no sell for 60 minutes but Hulk Hogan is the greatest and most important person in the business ever.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jul 3, 2021 16:03:46 GMT -5
Hogan vs Flair.. Just kidding. Hogan Andre. I agree with everything you said accept those last few comments, why bury the current product. We can all agree Goatgan is ichiban in pro wrestlehu
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 3, 2021 16:04:26 GMT -5
Wow, I was actually gonna legit say, "Hulk Hogan vs. Iron Sheik" from MSG in January 1984.
The Rock is definitely right about that. Without Hulkamania in the WWF back then, it's hard to say what would have happened to wrestling.
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Post by Rocky Balboa on Jul 3, 2021 17:45:50 GMT -5
It's either that or Hogan v Andre WM3.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jul 3, 2021 18:11:31 GMT -5
Without a doubt it’s Hogan winning the belt from The Iron Sheik. Hulks a bastard but without him making wrestling the business it became in the mid-80s an entire generation may have never gotten into wrestling in the first place.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 3, 2021 18:49:39 GMT -5
I think Bret and Shawn at Survivor Series can be in contention. There is a case to be made that if the screw job doesn’t happen, then Austin/Vince doesn’t happen and the Wwe doesn’t exist today.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 3, 2021 18:55:34 GMT -5
I guess it depends on who you talk to. It's definitely the most important moment for the WWF/E, without that moment and later Hulk/Andre, WWF/E doesn't become the juggernaut it became. But, if you talk to others (NWA, AWA, JCP, Mid-South, WCCW, GCW, FCW, etc.) it may have been a bad thing, that was pretty much the start that led to the death nail of wrestling as we knew it. Hogan going to the WWF started the downfall of a lot of promotions that many say ruined wrestling; it took away a lot of jobs and opportunities for many people which some would say ultimately killed the industry. Not only did it take away jobs for performers from legitimate companies that could pay them a living wage, it also took away options for wrestlers who worked for the WWF previously and the WWF was done with them. Without those places, performers didn't have good paying jobs in the only industry they knew which led to a lot of them going the route of shoot interviews which broke down the 4th wall of professional wrestling, which some would say helped destroy wrestling - or at least damaged it beyond repair.
Another moment that deserves consideration is the Austin 3:16 promo which led to the rise of Steve Austin. Without that moment, WWF/E may have went under at the hands of WCW in the mid/late 90s. Hogan jumping ship to WWF in the early 80s gave them their start but it couldn't save them forever, without Austin the WWF may have been a very successful flash in the pan and may not be the company we think of today. Others could point to the Montreal Screwjob? Without that happening, there may not have been a Mr. McMahon character, and without him the Attitude Era may not have been as big. He was the perfect foil to the Austin character which catapulted WWF passed WCW at the time. It wasn't until after WM14 in 1998, after the beginning of the Austin/McMahon feud that the WWF passed WCW in the ratings for good.
It's hard to pinpoint one moment as the biggest/most important in Pro-Wrestling history, I guess it really depends on who you ask.
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Post by theman on Jul 3, 2021 19:37:35 GMT -5
I guess it depends on who you talk to. It's definitely the most important moment for the WWF/E, without that moment and later Hulk/Andre, WWF/E doesn't become the juggernaut it became. But, if you talk to others (NWA, AWA, JCP, Mid-South, WCCW, GCW, FCW, etc.) it may have been a bad thing, that was pretty much the start that led to the death nail of wrestling as we knew it. Hogan going to the WWF started the downfall of a lot of promotions that many say ruined wrestling; it took away a lot of jobs and opportunities for many people which some would say ultimately killed the industry. Not only did it take away jobs for performers from legitimate companies that could pay them a living wage, it also took away options for wrestlers who worked for the WWF previously and the WWF was done with them. Without those places, performers didn't have good paying jobs in the only industry they knew which led to a lot of them going the route of shoot interviews which broke down the 4th wall of professional wrestling, which some would say helped destroy wrestling - or at least damaged it beyond repair. Another moment that deserves consideration is the Austin 3:16 promo which led to the rise of Steve Austin. Without that moment, WWF/E may have went under at the hands of WCW in the mid/late 90s. Hogan jumping ship to WWF in the early 80s gave them their start but it couldn't save them forever, without Austin the WWF may have been a very successful flash in the pan and may not be the company we think of today. Others could point to the Montreal Screwjob? Without that happening, there may not have been a Mr. McMahon character, and without him the Attitude Era may not have been as big. He was the perfect foil to the Austin character which catapulted WWF passed WCW at the time. It wasn't until after WM14 in 1998, after the beginning of the Austin/McMahon feud that the WWF passed WCW in the ratings for good. It's hard to pinpoint one moment as the biggest/most important in Pro-Wrestling history, I guess it really depends on who you ask. It's not a matter of who you ask but a matter of using common sense. Hogan saved wrestling in the 80's and Hogan saved wrestling again in the 90's with his heel turn. Without the nWo there is no Austin 3 16.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 3, 2021 19:55:37 GMT -5
I guess it depends on who you talk to. It's definitely the most important moment for the WWF/E, without that moment and later Hulk/Andre, WWF/E doesn't become the juggernaut it became. But, if you talk to others (NWA, AWA, JCP, Mid-South, WCCW, GCW, FCW, etc.) it may have been a bad thing, that was pretty much the start that led to the death nail of wrestling as we knew it. Hogan going to the WWF started the downfall of a lot of promotions that many say ruined wrestling; it took away a lot of jobs and opportunities for many people which some would say ultimately killed the industry. Not only did it take away jobs for performers from legitimate companies that could pay them a living wage, it also took away options for wrestlers who worked for the WWF previously and the WWF was done with them. Without those places, performers didn't have good paying jobs in the only industry they knew which led to a lot of them going the route of shoot interviews which broke down the 4th wall of professional wrestling, which some would say helped destroy wrestling - or at least damaged it beyond repair. Another moment that deserves consideration is the Austin 3:16 promo which led to the rise of Steve Austin. Without that moment, WWF/E may have went under at the hands of WCW in the mid/late 90s. Hogan jumping ship to WWF in the early 80s gave them their start but it couldn't save them forever, without Austin the WWF may have been a very successful flash in the pan and may not be the company we think of today. Others could point to the Montreal Screwjob? Without that happening, there may not have been a Mr. McMahon character, and without him the Attitude Era may not have been as big. He was the perfect foil to the Austin character which catapulted WWF passed WCW at the time. It wasn't until after WM14 in 1998, after the beginning of the Austin/McMahon feud that the WWF passed WCW in the ratings for good. It's hard to pinpoint one moment as the biggest/most important in Pro-Wrestling history, I guess it really depends on who you ask. It's not a matter of who you ask but a matter of using common sense. Hogan saved wrestling in the 80's and Hogan saved wrestling again in the 90's with his heel turn. Without the nWo there is no Austin 3 16. King Of The Ring 96: June 23rd Bash At The Beach 96: July 7th LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 20:15:06 GMT -5
I mean yeah I think there's a pretty fair argument for Hogan Shiek being the most important match, but then the wacky talk starts.
Hogan still a racist piece of crap, and the whole Hulkster character is one of the most unintentionally ironic characters in wrestling.
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Post by PJ on Jul 3, 2021 20:35:18 GMT -5
Well if the Rock said it it must be true. Although I would believe your buddy who owns a shop and screws his customers over by raising the prices of his figures while it’s in a customer’s hands. But yeah I would trust his opinion more than the Rock’s. . ..Wrestlemania 1 Hogan/Mr. T vs Piper/Orton, I mean come on these people you are listening to don’t t even know the participants of WrestleMania!? It was Hogan and Mr T with Superfly in their corner vs Piper and “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff with Orton in their corner. Not Hogan/Mr T vs Piper/Orton. How can I believe anything that they say after that?!
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Post by K5 on Jul 3, 2021 20:35:22 GMT -5
I gotta admit, I get a kick out of middle aged dudes still marking out hard over Hogan and preaching the word of Hulkamania
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Post by rkmo: Just a Fact of Life on Jul 3, 2021 20:37:29 GMT -5
This reminds me of the M**lah thread that remains open in the Sports board lulz
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jul 3, 2021 20:40:29 GMT -5
Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1997.
Just saying, documentaries and books are NOT written about Hogan vs. Iron Sheik at MSG.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 3, 2021 21:36:28 GMT -5
I guess it depends on who you talk to. It's definitely the most important moment for the WWF/E, without that moment and later Hulk/Andre, WWF/E doesn't become the juggernaut it became. But, if you talk to others (NWA, AWA, JCP, Mid-South, WCCW, GCW, FCW, etc.) it may have been a bad thing, that was pretty much the start that led to the death nail of wrestling as we knew it. Hogan going to the WWF started the downfall of a lot of promotions that many say ruined wrestling; it took away a lot of jobs and opportunities for many people which some would say ultimately killed the industry. Not only did it take away jobs for performers from legitimate companies that could pay them a living wage, it also took away options for wrestlers who worked for the WWF previously and the WWF was done with them. Without those places, performers didn't have good paying jobs in the only industry they knew which led to a lot of them going the route of shoot interviews which broke down the 4th wall of professional wrestling, which some would say helped destroy wrestling - or at least damaged it beyond repair. Another moment that deserves consideration is the Austin 3:16 promo which led to the rise of Steve Austin. Without that moment, WWF/E may have went under at the hands of WCW in the mid/late 90s. Hogan jumping ship to WWF in the early 80s gave them their start but it couldn't save them forever, without Austin the WWF may have been a very successful flash in the pan and may not be the company we think of today. Others could point to the Montreal Screwjob? Without that happening, there may not have been a Mr. McMahon character, and without him the Attitude Era may not have been as big. He was the perfect foil to the Austin character which catapulted WWF passed WCW at the time. It wasn't until after WM14 in 1998, after the beginning of the Austin/McMahon feud that the WWF passed WCW in the ratings for good. It's hard to pinpoint one moment as the biggest/most important in Pro-Wrestling history, I guess it really depends on who you ask. It's not a matter of who you ask but a matter of using common sense. Hogan saved wrestling in the 80's and Hogan saved wrestling again in the 90's with his heel turn. Without the nWo there is no Austin 3 16. Hogan didn't save wrestling in the 80s, wrestling was doing fine in a lot of different territories. What he did was make it global. Wrestling would be going today if Hogan never joined the WWF, though, the look of professional wrestling would be different. The territories would still be around, maybe not as many, as there probably would have been some merging, but wrestling was not dead and Hogan saved it by joining the WWF.
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Post by theman on Jul 3, 2021 21:55:47 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is STILL the most ICONIC character of all time today. There is a reason he still has millions and millions and millions of fans. I honestly think anyone trying to argue this point is just being foolish, I don't know how many books or shows they made about Hogan vs Shiek but I do know that one man built a world wide company and that man is Hulk Freaking Hogan. Period.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 3, 2021 22:00:36 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is STILL the most ICONIC character of all time today. There is a reason he still has millions and millions and millions of fans. I honestly think anyone trying to argue this point is just being foolish, I don't know how many books or shows they made about Hogan vs Shiek but I do know that one man built a world wide company and that man is Hulk Freaking Hogan. Period. Vince McMahon built a world wide company. Your obsession with Hogan is kind of creepy, my dude.
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Post by theman on Jul 3, 2021 22:07:06 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is STILL the most ICONIC character of all time today. There is a reason he still has millions and millions and millions of fans. I honestly think anyone trying to argue this point is just being foolish, I don't know how many books or shows they made about Hogan vs Shiek but I do know that one man built a world wide company and that man is Hulk Freaking Hogan. Period. Vince McMahon built a world wide company. Your obsession with Hogan is kind of creepy, my dude. Vince is a genius but he would have not sold arenas all around the world without Hogan. I'm not being creepy I'm just stating fact. The most important matches in WWE's history all involved one man. One man charged the boom period in the 80's with Hulkamania and the 90's with the greatest heel turn ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 22:10:25 GMT -5
I can't fathom trying to rant about people no-selling and using Hogan as the counter-argument.
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Post by theman on Jul 3, 2021 22:16:32 GMT -5
I can't fathom trying to rant about people no-selling and using Hogan as the counter-argument. Hogan sold plenty until he hulked up which was part of the character and story.
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