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Post by theman on Jul 17, 2021 14:44:01 GMT -5
I'm only good with this if Goldberg wins the title and loses the title the same night to the Money in the Bank winner.
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Post by Dan on Jul 17, 2021 16:06:40 GMT -5
It's a shame we're not getting Lashley vs Lesnar, especially since we didn't get it at Wrestlemania, but I guess they're booked into a corner with it from the off. I think now we see Goldberg win, and finally add that WWE Championship to his list, only for Drew McIntyre to then cash in and send the fans home happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 17:59:55 GMT -5
I’ve always thought it may eat at Lesnar a bit that his record is 1-2 against Goldberg as far as grand total. What if Goldberg wins the strap here and drops it to Lesnar at Survivor Series ‘21, the five-year anniversary of the huge match everyone remembers? Tie the record up and put the strap on Brock, who everyone knows Vince is absolutely obsessed with. Would be interesting to see.
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Post by k5 on Jul 17, 2021 22:10:42 GMT -5
I’ve always thought it may eat at Lesnar a bit that his record is 1-2 against Goldberg as far as grand total. What if Goldberg wins the strap here and drops it to Lesnar at Survivor Series ‘21, the five-year anniversary of the huge match everyone remembers? Tie the record up and put the strap on Brock, who everyone knows Vince is absolutely obsessed with. Would be interesting to see. i don't think lesnar gives an absolute crap about his win loss record in pro wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 22:28:31 GMT -5
I’ve always thought it may eat at Lesnar a bit that his record is 1-2 against Goldberg as far as grand total. What if Goldberg wins the strap here and drops it to Lesnar at Survivor Series ‘21, the five-year anniversary of the huge match everyone remembers? Tie the record up and put the strap on Brock, who everyone knows Vince is absolutely obsessed with. Would be interesting to see. i don't think lesnar gives an absolute crap about his win loss record in pro wrestling. In many ways no, like I don’t think he minded putting over Roman or Seth. But, Bill is sort of a shooter (trained in MMA and announced it; obviously he’s not a master or anything, but he’s “of that world” to some degree) so there could be a bit of a rivalry there, plus he’s got Heyman in his head who loves to blow that stuff up to be bigger than it should be. I do legitimately think he got some satisfaction from "getting his win back" against Cain Velasquez too, as silly as that might sound.
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Post by k5 on Jul 17, 2021 22:36:51 GMT -5
i don't think lesnar gives an absolute crap about his win loss record in pro wrestling. In many ways no, like I don’t think he minded putting over Roman or Seth. But, Bill is sort of a shooter (trained in MMA and announced it; obviously he’s not master or anything, but he’s “of that world” to some degree) so there could be a bit of a rivalry there, plus he’s got Heyman in his head who loves to blow that stuff up to be bigger than it should be. I do legitimately think he got some satisfaction from "getting his win back" against Cain Velasquez too, as silly as that might sound. with all due respect to your perspective: i think lesnar thinks wrestling is a joke, which it largely is, and while he will give respect to people like undertaker and such, his only agenda is $$$. now, if you were to discuss ufc, i'm sure his record means something to him to some degree.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 17, 2021 22:39:22 GMT -5
Yea I mean I don’t think Lesner really cares about getting beat if the money is right. He has done several jobs, as well as going out of his way to make sure Daniel Bryan and Aj looked like stars in defeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 22:43:51 GMT -5
In many ways no, like I don’t think he minded putting over Roman or Seth. But, Bill is sort of a shooter (trained in MMA and announced it; obviously he’s not master or anything, but he’s “of that world” to some degree) so there could be a bit of a rivalry there, plus he’s got Heyman in his head who loves to blow that stuff up to be bigger than it should be. I do legitimately think he got some satisfaction from "getting his win back" against Cain Velasquez too, as silly as that might sound. with all due respect to your perspective: i think lesnar thinks wrestling is a joke, which it largely is, and while he will give respect to people like undertaker and such, his only agenda is $$$. now, if you were to discuss ufc, i'm sure his record means something to him to some degree. I see where you’re coming from too. We’ll just have to agree to disagree, unless one of us is given the privilege of meeting him one day and being able to ask him, lol.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 18, 2021 15:11:25 GMT -5
Based on what guys who worked with him in the last few years have said, Brock does enjoy the business and you can tell he’s having a good time most the time. I mean unless you pitch a bunch of dumb sh** he doesn’t want to do like Mox did. He just is smart about it and also cares for money. Apparently he pitched for Goldberg to beat him because he knew they shock value and knew the rematch after that could draw. He’s given a lot to guys he respects like AJ, Bryan, Seth, Roma. and Joe. He just also doesn’t like working full time and I can’t say I blame him. Brock matches have become an attraction. Outside the multiple matches against Braun or Roman, I think they deliver too. There’s a reason so many guys want to work Brock. Would love to see him work with Lashley.
Goldberg putting over Lashley would be fine. It just doesn’t have the appeal of a monster vs monster clash like a match with Brock would.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jul 18, 2021 21:07:27 GMT -5
I don’t mind Goldberg because I’m not a fan of the current product. For me it basically draws me in to watch one of the biggest stars of the 90s. My only gripe is that he’s not facing Lashley is not facing Lesnar. We’ve been asking for this for a while. Also, the formula for Goldberg matches have been trash. I think they should at least let Goldberg do a couple of different moves besides spamming the spear and jackhammer. If they change it up a bit, it could have potential to be a decent match.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 20, 2021 7:08:09 GMT -5
January: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion drew McIntyre, Goldberg returns to get a title shot.
July: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion Bobby lashley, Goldberg returns to get a title shot.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 20, 2021 8:19:32 GMT -5
January: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion drew McIntyre, Goldberg returns to get a title shot. July: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion Bobby lashley, Goldberg returns to get a title shot. Sounds like its about time for Lee to go do flips in Jacksonville.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jul 20, 2021 11:52:12 GMT -5
This match really should’ve been against Brock, as that’s far more like an even match. Lashley with MVP vs Brock with Heyman is an exciting prospect. Goldberg…I could do without. The first two or three times they brought back Goldberg it was ok. The bloom has been off the rose since that abortion of a match with the Undertaker. Ever since then he just looks like a really old guy. For whatever reason the matches with Lesnar kind of worked. Against Drew however he looked washed up, and against Lashley he shouldn’t stand a chance. Is this a match that anyone cares about? I’m not a Keith Lee fan, but even Lashley/Lee would’ve been a more attractive Summerfest match considering the mystery surrounding Lee for the past 6 months than Goldberg who has been gone about as long, but who certainly doesn’t need any kind of rub, and (in my opinion) no longer really fits the marquee tier the way that Brock, Cena, Rock, Hogan, and Austin could if they were brought back for a match like this. Lashley should really destroy Goldberg inside of two minutes, and that should be the last we ever see of Goldberg wrestling.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 20, 2021 12:21:24 GMT -5
How many times does Goldberg need to loose to the latest champ before the appeal wears off for the general audience? I love Goldberg but he’s taken his fair share of losses the past few years that even if Lashley beats him, does it mean much? Not to mention the typical match-formula for Goldberg is beyond stale (similar to Lesnar).
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 20, 2021 12:31:51 GMT -5
January: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion drew McIntyre, Goldberg returns to get a title shot. July: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion Bobby lashley, Goldberg returns to get a title shot. Keith Lee is the harbinger of Goldberg. I’m interested in seeing how the SummerSlam match turns out. I don’t think Goldberg is in condition to get thrown around tons by Lashley, and he’s here for a good time rather than a long time, so I’m expecting a sprint similar to the Rumble match against Drew. A couple of finishers, a big spot on the outside, and a full nelson finish, coming in at between 5-10 minutes. I’m good with that. My favourite thing about Lesnar and Goldberg matches is that they don’t try to be half-hour epics. I’d love it if SummerSlam was mostly short, impactful matches, with just one or two (maybe Belair vs Banks) going much over ten minutes.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 20, 2021 13:10:40 GMT -5
January: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion drew McIntyre, Goldberg returns to get a title shot. July: Keith Lee loses a world title match against champion Bobby lashley, Goldberg returns to get a title shot. Keith Lee is the harbinger of Goldberg. I’m interested in seeing how the SummerSlam match turns out. I don’t think Goldberg is in condition to get thrown around tons by Lashley, and he’s here for a good time rather than a long time, so I’m expecting a sprint similar to the Rumble match against Drew. A couple of finishers, a big spot on the outside, and a full nelson finish, coming in at between 5-10 minutes. I’m good with that. My favourite thing about Lesnar and Goldberg matches is that they don’t try to be half-hour epics. I’d love it if SummerSlam was mostly short, impactful matches, with just one or two (maybe Belair vs Banks) going much over ten minutes. Shorter matches are my favorite, I don't want to sit for 4 hours trying to watch a show.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 20, 2021 13:40:26 GMT -5
Keith Lee is the harbinger of Goldberg. I’m interested in seeing how the SummerSlam match turns out. I don’t think Goldberg is in condition to get thrown around tons by Lashley, and he’s here for a good time rather than a long time, so I’m expecting a sprint similar to the Rumble match against Drew. A couple of finishers, a big spot on the outside, and a full nelson finish, coming in at between 5-10 minutes. I’m good with that. My favourite thing about Lesnar and Goldberg matches is that they don’t try to be half-hour epics. I’d love it if SummerSlam was mostly short, impactful matches, with just one or two (maybe Belair vs Banks) going much over ten minutes. Shorter matches are my favorite, I don't want to sit for 4 hours trying to watch a show. I read somewhere that SummerSlam has a hard limit of 3 hours this year, so that people have time to attend the real fights after it ends. I hope that’s true.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 22, 2021 18:31:28 GMT -5
How many times does Goldberg need to loose to the latest champ before the appeal wears off for the general audience? I love Goldberg but he’s taken his fair share of losses the past few years that even if Lashley beats him, does it mean much? Not to mention the typical match-formula for Goldberg is beyond stale (similar to Lesnar). I understand Goldberg jobbing to Braun Strowman since they had to take the belt off him and he was supposed to lose to Roman Reigns anyway. But the Royal Rumble match against Drew McIntyre was pointless, didnt draw ratings and was in front of 0 fans. I guess since theyre not doing the Saudi Arabia shows, they had to use him on a PPV.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 22, 2021 18:50:09 GMT -5
Goldberg is on a two match a year deal. So they are using him in what they think are high profile matches. Not saying they are good or needed, but he can still work a Goldberg match. And despite how a lot of people feel, nostalgia is a hell of a drug and draws.
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