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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 19, 2021 16:26:30 GMT -5
Over the past few years this has become a pattern. Fans support a wrestler, wrestler wins the title and then the fans turn. It's so confusing and unfair to the wrestler who the disloyal fans abandon.
Mcintyre getting booed last night proves that no wrestler has a loyal fanbase anymore so what are they suppose to do to keep the crowds interested? Look at Kofi 2 years ago, Kofi Mania was huge and nearly everyone was behind him, but after a few months he was getting called boring and the worst champion ever. Even Rollins was turned on for no reason and fans started souring on Bryan after WM 30.
How are today's talent suppose to secure a loyal fan base?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 16:31:10 GMT -5
Easy answer.
It is not possible in this era.
Bryan said it best during his planet's champion run about the fans.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jul 19, 2021 16:58:36 GMT -5
Voodoo mind control
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jul 19, 2021 17:00:27 GMT -5
Wrestlers can't do much, but their booking can.
A bad trend in WWE is to take someone who gets over doing their own unique thing and force them into a mold that THEY believe a top star should be. Put a few of their specialties on infinite repeat and toss away the rest. Put words in their mouth. Book them in boring, wash-rinse-repeat angles for months at a time. Then for all besides Head Cheese, lose faith in them and push them down the card. A certain portion of the audience isn't looking for bland, overproduced garbage. Let the talent be and see what develops. Those fans are gonna show their approval if Creative can keep them invested in someone.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 19, 2021 17:12:35 GMT -5
After Bryan won at Mania, he was put into a God awful feud with Kane that also involved Brie (Which nobody wanted). So if creative puts your top guy into situations of terrible feuds and stories, nobody is going to want to watch that person.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 19, 2021 17:48:10 GMT -5
How are today's talent suppose to secure a loyal fan base? A loyal fanbase among WWE haters? 1. Be BERRIED (can’t like them unless Vince hates them) 2. Be heels (can’t cheer them unless Vince wants us to boo them) 3. Never make it to the very top of the card (this is basically the same as BERRIED except it also requires there to be someone else higher up the card to boo) 4. Leave WWE (you don’t need the first three reasons if you do this one)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 17:55:50 GMT -5
Hmmm, well, during Punk’s time as a face world champ in 2011 and 2012, I’d say he was over with the Internet and non-Internet fans. So there’s probably something in that formula; Bryan probably would’ve had a similar run if his 2014 reign had been able to go on longer. I wonder if the fans would have turned on McIntyre if his time with the gold had not happened during the COVID era.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 19, 2021 18:02:50 GMT -5
Hmmm, well, during Punk’s time as a face world champ in 2011 and 2012, I’d say he was over with the Internet and non-Internet fans. So there’s probably something in that formula; Bryan probably would’ve had a similar run if his 2014 run had been able to go on longer. I wonder if the fans would have turned on McIntyre in 2020 if his run had not happened during the COVID era. Bryan was 100% going to get squashed by Lesnar instead of Cena to set up Reigns vs. Lesnar for the belt.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 19, 2021 18:06:19 GMT -5
Hmmm, well, during Punk’s time as a face world champ in 2011 and 2012, I’d say he was over with the Internet and non-Internet fans. So there’s probably something in that formula; Bryan probably would’ve had a similar run if his 2014 run had been able to go on longer. I wonder if the fans would have turned on McIntyre in 2020 if his run had not happened during the COVID era. People did start to turn on Bryan after WM30. He wasn't getting booed but I remember he was starting to get hate on the internet. As for Mcintyre, I predict he would've been booed by mid/late last year. I think around Summerslam fans were souring on him.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 19, 2021 18:09:09 GMT -5
Hmmm, well, during Punk’s time as a face world champ in 2011 and 2012, I’d say he was over with the Internet and non-Internet fans. So there’s probably something in that formula; Bryan probably would’ve had a similar run if his 2014 run had been able to go on longer. I wonder if the fans would have turned on McIntyre in 2020 if his run had not happened during the COVID era. Bryan was 100% going to get squashed by Lesnar instead of Cena to set up Reigns vs. Lesnar for the belt. If Bryan's popularity lasted to Summerslam I wonder what kind of reaction Lesnar would've received when he won.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jul 19, 2021 18:10:16 GMT -5
Fans will hate anyone who WWE tries to present as a top guy, whether they're an indy darling who hit the big time or a pet project molded in the Performance Center.
It's not the wrestler's faults, it's the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 22:02:06 GMT -5
Hmmm, well, during Punk’s time as a face world champ in 2011 and 2012, I’d say he was over with the Internet and non-Internet fans. So there’s probably something in that formula; Bryan probably would’ve had a similar run if his 2014 run had been able to go on longer. I wonder if the fans would have turned on McIntyre in 2020 if his run had not happened during the COVID era. Bryan was 100% going to get squashed by Lesnar instead of Cena to set up Reigns vs. Lesnar for the belt. Agreed, but as far as how he connected with the fans, he seemed to be able to win over a majority of the sub-groups.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 23:04:38 GMT -5
I remember just before Drew got the big one or right after a thread was made called "why will you turn on drew McIntyre?". I kinda wanna go find it in the archives and see the responses.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jul 19, 2021 23:08:45 GMT -5
magic spells
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Post by Weemanv1 on Jul 19, 2021 23:39:38 GMT -5
I remember just before Drew got the big one or right after a thread was made called "why will you turn on drew McIntyre?". I kinda wanna go find it in the archives and see the responses. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/362210/why-turn-on-drew-mcintyreIt would have been more interesting if it wasn't a troll thread. It's by that guy who only knows how to talk down to people. Honestly, this idea that the fans are a collective is really narrow-minded thinking by a lot of people. What happens is often the haters just become louder rather than people turning on them. I haven't seen anyone turn on Drew here for example, but I have seen the people who always hated him become more vocal. It's just easier for the gaslighters to use that to spin their narrative of the fans always turning on something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 23:56:44 GMT -5
I remember just before Drew got the big one or right after a thread was made called "why will you turn on drew McIntyre?". I kinda wanna go find it in the archives and see the responses. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/362210/why-turn-on-drew-mcintyreIt would have been more interesting if it wasn't a troll thread. It's by that guy who only knows how to talk down to people. Honestly, this idea that the fans are a collective is really narrow-minded thinking by a lot of people. What happens is often the haters just become louder rather than people turning on them. I haven't seen anyone turn on Drew here for example, but I have seen the people who always hated him become more vocal. It's just easier for the gaslighters to use that to spin their narrative of the fans always turning on something. Ah yeah, I forgot who had made it, that's disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 0:03:27 GMT -5
For as much as I hear this narrative (accurate or not) within the WWE, I don't really hear it anywhere else.
Yeah there are a subset of people who are really vocal about disliking the Elite having the belts in AEW, but they're guys that weren't fans of the Elite anyways. I can't think of anyone who turned on them, Moxley or Jericho during their runs, etc.
Likewise I can't really think of a single example of this in recent Impact, MLW, NJPW, etc. People who hated Evil in NJPW hated him more with the belt, but the people who 'turned' on him turned because he betrayed LIJ and joined Bullet Club. I.e. he made a heel turn and got booed for it. Likewise no one turned on Okada, Ibushi, etc. Maybe Ospreay, but he is wrestling a very different style than a few years ago, so that would be a bit of an exception.
Which kinda leads me to only a couple possible conclusions.
1) Like Weeman suggested, it's not actually happening, it's just more vocal behaviour from people that aren't fans of the champ
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2) it's something WWE is doing with their top faces that keeps making it happen.
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3) it's something to do with fans that only watch WWE
or some combination of the above 3 options.
I don't know what the answer is, since I haven't really watched weekly WWE since AEW started, I just read the recaps so I know whats up come PPV time. I just know I'm not really hearing this narrative pop up in any other companies.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jul 20, 2021 1:52:48 GMT -5
After Bryan won at Mania, he was put into a God awful feud with Kane that also involved Brie (Which nobody wanted). So if creative puts your top guy into situations of terrible feuds and stories, nobody is going to want to watch that person. After Seth Rollins was hot the year before, his Mania build was so lacklusterly awful with Lesnar that they literally replayed the thing for SummerSlam, and in between hung him with GF Becks against Lacey Evans and Baron Corbin. Then with his good graces hanging by a thread, put him with the hottest act the 'E had going. After KofiMania, his first opponent was Dolph hugging Ziggler. Then hotshotted a promising thing with Kevin Owens. He beat Samoa Joe in a random matchup then a decent but a little overbooked feud with Orton that may have went over fans' heads who weren't watching a decade ago. That got us to the Squash Heard 'Round the World. AJ Styles entered the 2016 Royal Rumble with a bang, and got the right to challenge new WWE Champ after Mania. With Roman's popularity already in the tank, Styles was largely outpopping Da Big Dawg and running circles around him on the mic and in the ring. But instead of capitalizing, they instantly shifted direction. They took the mic outta his hands, aligned him with heel Good Brothers who always got involved, made him look like the d-bag, and had commentary constantly throw shade on him. Instead of a quick turn, they strung crap out for two months. Then instead of getting a little program with him "joining" Cena against Gallows and Anderson for one short tag match to get to SummerSlam, he went heel right outta the gate.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jul 20, 2021 2:32:41 GMT -5
Fans will hate anyone who WWE tries to present as a top guy, whether they're an indy darling who hit the big time or a pet project molded in the Performance Center. It's not the wrestler's faults, it's the fans. #BecauseoftheFans
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jul 20, 2021 2:33:08 GMT -5
Soyboy internet fan boys hijacked this HEY! I eat soy all the time!!
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