The Coach
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Post by The Coach on Aug 1, 2021 12:41:12 GMT -5
The problem I have with all of the rhetoric I've seen about what "we" have to do so that "we" can get this project backed is that, however selfish it may come off, I don't collect for other people. I collect for me. I don't need Diesel. I don't need Doink. I don't need the entrance stage, and I have no room for a ring. There's exactly no ROI on my $250 without having to put in the legwork to turn around and flip it. That game was fun for a while at the start of the store exclusives campaign, but I simply don't have the energy to put into that sort of endeavor nowadays. I hate to tell you, but this isn't a team effort. If 5,000 can't see the value for their $250, then exactly none of that falls on me. Exactly! Not only do we not "Have to do it", the people that are being a BABA BOOEY and putting the blame on us or fellow collectors are only putting a worse taste in our mouths to future similar promotions. Agreed. I’ll never forget the blaming of collectors as to why the Legends line failed or the “it’s part of the game” responses to things selling out in minutes or less on online retailers. You create the game. Get with your online retailers and figure out how to fix it. |
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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Aug 1, 2021 13:05:10 GMT -5
Maybe a store that specializes in wrestling figures can back the remaining amount to reach the Doink level. Ive seen this response quite a bit, if ringside bought a ton of these and goal is reached, what would make them think they could sell them for above their cost/investment if people arent willing to just buy it on their own for retail. No way does ringside buy any of these at $250 and then resell them for $250. They need to profit 30-50% just like any other business. People are complaining about being charged in full now as opposed to just waiting til the end of the funding. I cant even imagine the complaints if ringside sells these for $400! |
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Post by bababooey on Aug 1, 2021 13:06:15 GMT -5
Maybe a store that specializes in wrestling figures can back the remaining amount to reach the Doink level. I see this comment a lot. If stores were gonna buy up a whole bunch of these, that completely defeats the purpose of crowdfunding. It would only serve to prove the product would work at retail. |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 1, 2021 13:06:21 GMT -5
For some reason this project feels rushed and years in the making all at once. No dimensions on the page for the ring or entrance. Diesel is inaccurate as  , no elbow pads (94 he wore two, 95 he went to one) and let's face it, if Diesel got the Ultimate Edition in the line he would come with a title and we don't get that here. Someone might come in and say "Oh well maybe Diesel isn't final yet." And I would say "Oh well for $250 you better cross your t's and dot your i's and have every single detail correct and shown." You shouldn't leave people with more questions after they see what you have to offer unless your name is Stanley Kubrick. Mattel doesn't have any feet left because they shot both off for various reasons. But...I'm still optimistic that this will get to 5,000 even with all the faults that this thing has had thus far. |
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jokerjohn
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Post by jokerjohn on Aug 1, 2021 13:12:31 GMT -5
Brian and Mark both said it wasn’t worth $250, Brian said $170-200 max…Matt also agreed before he and he said they know about production costs, also said the ring skirts aren’t value or enough of an incentive, he also said Mattel need to add more products/figures to this to make it value. Matt back tracked a little bit because he’s desperate for this to be successful to open the door to more opportunities. They just backed it anyway because they feel like they have to (Mark did it during the recording even though he said he didn’t think it was worth it) - these guys have to buy it and let’s face it, money is no issue to them. Matt bought 4 didn’t he?! Lol. If you’re a regular listener, you know when they’re hyped on something, they struggled to sell this set to the listener. They want this to get backed because they want the possibles in the future, they don’t want this product. Backing it for that reason is a gamble, what if the next one sucks? Again, it’s fine for those guys but your average collector might end up ‘needing’ to spend $1000 on products before they get the one they really want. Those guys aren’t the bible, they get loads wrong all the time for so called experts, they didn’t even realise the Undertaker UE head sucks and the others are incorrect until it was pointed out to them…but they’re entertaining and good at what they do, they couldn’t sell this item, they didn’t even sound excited, Matt was just desperate for people to spend money on this so he gets more stuff down the road. Certainly at 5k level this is not worth $250, no way. IMO it’s still not at 8K but at least with doink it feels slightly better. It’s not getting to 8K though. i havent gotten to this episode yet, but that kinda bums me out that they are so negative on it, those guys are HUGE influencers in this hobby and i feel like if anyone could have swayed more people it's them. i hope collectors realize that if this doesnt get backed, we'll most likely never see another scale ring for our WWE figures mattel execs wont see the value in producing it with no retailers on board, and walmart/target are never going to give that much shelf space to that kind of an item I've backed this since day one but I'll never tell anyone who doesn't legit want it to join for a future product they may like. If this one fails then they need to go back to the drawing board for the next one and re think thier strategy. |
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originalniceguy
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Post by originalniceguy on Aug 1, 2021 13:18:07 GMT -5
Plus I don't see why retail would purchase something on the premises it will sell, when this is already freely available to consumers and they're not purchasing.
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judas
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Post by judas on Aug 1, 2021 13:22:15 GMT -5
I’d be more tempted if I knew what the future plans they have for this kind of thing are? I’m not interested in this one but I may be interested in future sets.
I’m not paying the money until I know something I’d be interested in is in this lines future plans but if we ‘need’ this particular set to succeed without knowing what is in store in the future then I’m out.
Im not interested in repeatedly paying $250 a time for sets I may not want in the hope I do get something I like eventually, what if they never do a set I like.
Plus if Diesel had a bit more to him and a more interesting attire that would be a start. Too similar to the HoF release.
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jeffro2000
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Post by jeffro2000 on Aug 1, 2021 13:40:31 GMT -5
Like a lot of others, I wanted to support this but I just have little interest in it.
I was 11-12 in 1994, New Generation is right at the height of my fandom, but it was a bad period for WWF/E.
I can't display and have no use for a ring especially that size. I probably wouldn't buy that Diesel @$30 as I have the other elites.
The entrance way is okay and I would probably buy Doink at retail. The only reason I would ever buy this is to just fund it for the heck of it and re-sell it, but I don't see it being worth doing that because demand is so low for this.
If I see it getting close to 5K, I may pull the trigger, but I doubt it because I have no interest in keeping it.
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Post by underoos on Aug 1, 2021 13:59:45 GMT -5
Easy pass, I already funded the sentinel and Galactus already
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Post by LA Times on Aug 1, 2021 14:03:46 GMT -5
I doubt they make decisions on their wants. I’d bet an Ultimate Diesel they made this based on data driven decisions. Some set of data or consumer trends made them think this was the set to sell. Either new generation fans hitting a sweet spot in age to buy higher end stuff or that the new generation hasn’t had as much product. There is no way the WWE Mattel decision makers are willing to look bad or waste money on a product because they are a Diesel or Doink mark. Speaking as someone who grew up in the New Gen era and is almost 35, I would agree that they're looking at demos of their collector audience and deciding my age is the sweet spot between money and nostalgia, yeah. I think they're probably better off looking at the Attitude Era, but I get it. Especially because Raw honestly doesn't look that much different visually in 2021 than it did in 1999. The New Gen is at least distinct on that level.
One of the things that surprises me is that they've said New Gen figures sell well. Which...what New Gen figures are we talking about? Bret, Shawn, Diesel, Razor, Luger, Taker, HHH, X-Pac? All legitimate legends with heavy influence in multiple eras. Do their New Gen looks sell notably better than their other eras? I would expect most of their sales are pretty even across their different figures. At that point, what New Gen midcarders have they released? Alundra, Mabel, and Tatanka (and the previous Doink releases) come to mind. Were they really good sellers? I don't know, they've got the sales data. But just given the popularity of the era in its time, I'd be surprised if the products were that much more successful than other eras.
Also, I think the New Gen kinda stands out for how many figures they haven't been able to release. Most of the midcard is missing, really. I can't imagine that helps.
Must be the red and black ring. Their entrance ramps and production blows away what they had in the Attitude Era. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Aug 1, 2021 14:25:57 GMT -5
I truly have no use or space for an elite scale ring, even a classic era version. Entrance is nice but again, I have no use for it. Diesel, I already have 2 Elites of him and this would be the overall 5th release. Truly the only thing I’d want out of it was Doink. And I can’t help but feel if this fails we’ll get Diesel and Doink somewhere else down the line. So I get the sentiments, I get the idea we won’t get anything else if this fails, but I have no interest in finding something I truly don’t want.
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The Coach
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Post by The Coach on Aug 1, 2021 14:33:48 GMT -5
With the bees that the money is all of a sudden being pulled again, this thing has been doomed from the start. Time to stick to your average quality plastic display pieces and not ultra high quality ultra detailed crowdfunding projects. They could’ve easily released a normal, plastic version of this without all the cells and whistles. The electronics must be costing this thing a fortune in development. I get that people want real metal stages and stuff, but a properly executed plastic stage with good stickers is easily doable at retail. The Wreckin line proves that.
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 1, 2021 14:43:30 GMT -5
Maybe a store that specializes in wrestling figures can back the remaining amount to reach the Doink level. Ive seen this response quite a bit, if ringside bought a ton of these and goal is reached, what would make them think they could sell them for above their cost/investment if people arent willing to just buy it on their own for retail. No way does ringside buy any of these at $250 and then resell them for $250. They need to profit 30-50% just like any other business. People are complaining about being charged in full now as opposed to just waiting til the end of the funding. I cant even imagine the complaints if ringside sells these for $400! RSC would sell them separately as 3 different items. Entrance Stage $149 Ring $189 Diesel $125 Rsc also has an eBay store do they could sell on there as well. If only 5k of these get made they will be extremely rare and the price will skyrocket. |
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 1, 2021 14:53:39 GMT -5
I’m curious which would sell better: An Attitude Era ring or a New Gen Era ring? Just in a ring-to-ring competition. I firmly believe that, based solely on the size of viewership and merch sales during those time periods, Attitude Era has a larger fan base in the collector market.
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sandeep
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Post by sandeep on Aug 1, 2021 15:01:34 GMT -5
OK not spoken on this crowd funding project but to me the best choice was either RA era Raw with Kane figure with new torso mold and new heads with RVD ultimates and tag team championship would have been an easy buy for me , Or SmackDown fist stage with ultimates of either Eddie Guerrero and Batista would have been my instant buy with price tag of 200 dollars.
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Post by Vamp55 on Aug 1, 2021 15:02:29 GMT -5
I backed it, I’m a MOCer so rings aren’t normally my thing. But, I like every part of it and really am all in on Ultimates. The price tags was a bit of shock, but with shipping only being $14.95 for me as an international collector that offset it a bit. I truely believe the screw up with Sgt. Ultimate hurt this, people were and still are pissed. If Mattel did a second drop of Sgt. Limits it to 1 per customer, I’m thinking this would gain some actual momentum.
The numbers remain very low, it had a little jump in the past 24-48 hours with the change of payment structure, but I doubt this thing ever sees the light of day. Sad really, first time failures with this sort of stuff and theres rarely a second go around.
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secondwhiteline
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Post by secondwhiteline on Aug 1, 2021 15:08:52 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who grew up in the New Gen era and is almost 35, I would agree that they're looking at demos of their collector audience and deciding my age is the sweet spot between money and nostalgia, yeah. I think they're probably better off looking at the Attitude Era, but I get it. Especially because Raw honestly doesn't look that much different visually in 2021 than it did in 1999. The New Gen is at least distinct on that level.
One of the things that surprises me is that they've said New Gen figures sell well. Which...what New Gen figures are we talking about? Bret, Shawn, Diesel, Razor, Luger, Taker, HHH, X-Pac? All legitimate legends with heavy influence in multiple eras. Do their New Gen looks sell notably better than their other eras? I would expect most of their sales are pretty even across their different figures. At that point, what New Gen midcarders have they released? Alundra, Mabel, and Tatanka (and the previous Doink releases) come to mind. Were they really good sellers? I don't know, they've got the sales data. But just given the popularity of the era in its time, I'd be surprised if the products were that much more successful than other eras.
Also, I think the New Gen kinda stands out for how many figures they haven't been able to release. Most of the midcard is missing, really. I can't imagine that helps.
Must be the red and black ring. Their entrance ramps and production blows away what they had in the Attitude Era.
Yeah, I meant in terms of theming/aesthetic, not in production value. Like, if tomorrow someone turned on Raw for the first time in 10-15 years, they'd still recognize it as visually Monday Night Raw. Obviously they've always been ahead of the game in terms of production value, even if you can take issue with creative choices like the frenetic editing style.
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Aug 1, 2021 15:23:29 GMT -5
Whole thing is rather a disgusting insult if you ask me. But then isn’t that on brand for WWE at the moment.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Aug 1, 2021 15:29:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the more people are asked to back it, the more their resolve to not back it is strengthened.
I hope it's backed, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 1, 2021 15:48:11 GMT -5
I’m curious which would sell better: An Attitude Era ring or a New Gen Era ring? Just in a ring-to-ring competition. I firmly believe that, based solely on the size of viewership and merch sales during those time periods, Attitude Era has a larger fan base in the collector market. I don't think this is a fair comparison. Alot of fans from the Attitude Era didn't stick around. It was just a fad to them. |
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