walkingturtles
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Post by walkingturtles on Aug 1, 2021 16:01:39 GMT -5
I backed it right away because I know even if you aren't fully interested in this one, all future projects likely depend on this being successful. Plus if you don't want this, you will probably be able to sell the stuff you don't want after the fact for more money. Could they have done more absolutely. But this is what it is and anything else isn't happening without a good response here. The is what it is attitude to me is just as bad as those not buying it. It is what it is and it’s not worth $250 and if the future of the entire projects rest on this niche set of items then that’s on Mattel and that is what it is.
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Post by dynamitekido on Aug 1, 2021 16:04:22 GMT -5
I’m curious which would sell better: An Attitude Era ring or a New Gen Era ring? Just in a ring-to-ring competition. I firmly believe that, based solely on the size of viewership and merch sales during those time periods, Attitude Era has a larger fan base in the collector market. I don't think this is a fair comparison. Alot of fans from the Attitude Era didn't stick around. It was just a fad to them. You’re BOTH correct here. The Attitude Era would do better and the fans were more casual back then. But something like this isn’t really sold to the casuals as it is hardcore collectors. I’m somebody that as an era probably likes it better than the Attitude Era and I was a teenager during both. The Attitude Era is extremely overrated, but it DOES have a much bigger fan base.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 16:11:54 GMT -5
It won't make 5k without RSC buying several units, or another business.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Aug 1, 2021 16:26:53 GMT -5
I just don't need another wwe ring or another diesel figure. I already am gonna have to plunk down a bunch of money for the Aubrey Edwards ring set.
That set is worth it because the figure included is someone new, and i could sell the aew ring if i wanted to.
If mattel replaced diesel with a first time in the line legend figure it would have a much better chance of succeeding.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 1, 2021 18:38:42 GMT -5
I backed it, I’m a MOCer so rings aren’t normally my thing. But, I like every part of it and really am all in on Ultimates. The price tags was a bit of shock, but with shipping only being $14.95 for me as an international collector that offset it a bit. I truely believe the screw up with Sgt. Ultimate hurt this, people were and still are pissed. If Mattel did a second drop of Sgt. Limits it to 1 per customer, I’m thinking this would gain some actual momentum. The numbers remain very low, it had a little jump in the past 24-48 hours with the change of payment structure, but I doubt this thing ever sees the light of day. Sad really, first time failures with this sort of stuff and theres rarely a second go around. This is the exact reason that I will under no circumstances order this. Well...this and the Amazon Hogan together soured me on Mattel again. Not quite as badly as the Harley Race fiasco from several years ago, but enough to make me re-think if this is something that I want to continue doing again. I mean, this was two pretty big disappointments in less than 24 hours that really didn't have to happen. I truly do hope that everyone who wants it gets it, it does look cool, and even though it's not my era I might've backed (although actually the 250 right out of pocket immediately might've also soured me), but the bungles that could've easily been avoided with transparency have left me not wanting to support Mattel at all, let alone for a huge expense like this one. Good luck to you guys, I know the lack of my one order won't derail this thing, but these are my reasons and my mind will not change.
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randyrock
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Post by randyrock on Aug 1, 2021 19:06:31 GMT -5
This wasn’t something I needed. Like, at all. Didn’t need a ring. Didn’t need/want Diesel or Doink. Not a New Gen era guy. I want this to succeed for all who want it but it’s not geared towards me.
I’ve said before if this was a WMIII ring with King Harley Race (and that would’ve been a great way to reintroduce him and make great sales), I’d have backed this project. Throw in a soft goods robe and it would’ve been an instant purchase.
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Aug 1, 2021 19:17:08 GMT -5
it's the coolest thing they've ever made … that won’t get made.
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 1, 2021 19:28:12 GMT -5
I hope this gets made, but since I can’t buy it, I probably won’t be too upset if doesn’t get made. I have the Golden Age version of the ASR and Jakks ring. The ASR is 22.5” and this one is like 21.75”. I’d be more upset if it was an 18” or 20” modern ring and didn’t get made.
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Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem
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Post by Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem on Aug 1, 2021 20:37:48 GMT -5
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wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Aug 1, 2021 22:17:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't have to do anything. If anything, Mattel Creations HAS to do more to entice me to buy the project. Mark Sterling ESQ. says it best here:
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 1, 2021 22:56:14 GMT -5
I was born in 1990, and became a full time fan in 1994, so the New Gen is very nostalgic to me. However, I’m passing on this. I don’t see how the ring, Diesel, and entrance stage equate to a value of $250. For some, it does. For me, it doesn’t. I hope it gets backed for those that want this.
If Mattel wants my money, offer something that’s enticing to me. It shouldn’t be “well we need to back this in the hopes Mattel makes something we like down the road.” That’s just giving your money away for something you don’t see the value in. It’s rewarding Mattel despite offering something you don’t want. And worse yet, Mattel isn’t guaranteed to offer you something next time that you’d like.
Other lines like Marvel Legends and X-Men have no problem gaining 5k backers for their projects (yes, they have a larger “dedicated” following, but 5k is still a pretty attainable goal for any popular brand). I think the problem still stems back to Bill. It’s no secret Bill puts a lot of his “personal choices” into the line, and this seems like another example of that.
I think with the right projects, 5k backers is an attainable goal for this line. Had they given us something truly unique, like a 2003 Raw entrance stage with an ultimate edition Kane with all new, accurate sculpting, I feel like this would have sold. Or a 2003 Smackdown entrance stage with a newly tooled Kurt Angle. Or a Stone Cold with the beer truck or the zamboni. Or the 1997 Nitro entrance stage with another ultimate Hogan, or an ultimate Nash.
The point is, there seemed to be alot of other options out that that would have given them a better chance to reach 5k backers than what they went with.
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Post by RanchoDagobah on Aug 1, 2021 23:32:15 GMT -5
I put in an order for 2 of them. Mattel Team said in interviews that if this doesn't happen then future WWE Mattel Creations will be highly unlikely for anything else for a very long time. So with all the negative comments about the "ring", which is way better than those crappy RAW and Smackdown rings, good luck hoping for future items like that massive stage setup seen at Wrestlemania and SDCC or anything that has been on your Mattel wish lists since 2010 because if this doesn't happen nothing will. Just purchase one and sell the ring if you don't want it. I bought 3 Sail Barges when a lot of Star Wars collectors were saying the same thing that a project like the Barge wouldn't sell YET 8800 were produced and now the market for them has gone nuts the last 2 years where they sell for no less than $1800-2000.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 1, 2021 23:36:07 GMT -5
This in a nutshell. Bill designs for his wants, not so much anything else. Time to stop enabling him. This crowdfunding blowing up in his face is a start. I doubt they make decisions on their wants. I’d bet an Ultimate Diesel they made this based on data driven decisions. Some set of data or consumer trends made them think this was the set to sell. Either new generation fans hitting a sweet spot in age to buy higher end stuff or that the new generation hasn’t had as much product. There is no way the WWE Mattel decision makers are willing to look bad or waste money on a product because they are a Diesel or Doink mark. It's very obvious they do. Bill at least for sure. He put Nakamura and Balor in not one, but two seperate premium lines each. Nakamura almost completely killed the Ultimates before it got started. I don't blame him though. If I was designing the line I'd put in as many Edge figures as possible.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Aug 2, 2021 2:05:27 GMT -5
Wait a second, its $250 for an elite scale ring and a figure that has been re-released now this would be the 4th time ?
Not just no, but hell no !!!
Mattel take diesel out, and like someone else suggested Put Harley Race into this set right now.
That is the only way to save this now, or its dead in the water.
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mrh
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Post by mrh on Aug 2, 2021 2:32:29 GMT -5
Overpriced -- I wish Mattel could re-calibrate -- but it seems impossible given their financial needs, and that $1,000 people have already paid.
They should just have the entrance and the Ultimates. But imagine their embarrassment if that didn't sell either.
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Post by SteveHulk on Aug 2, 2021 4:06:54 GMT -5
I put in an order for 2 of them. Mattel Team said in interviews that if this doesn't happen then future WWE Mattel Creations will be highly unlikely for anything else for a very long time. So with all the negative comments about the "ring", which is way better than those crappy RAW and Smackdown rings, good luck hoping for future items like that massive stage setup seen at Wrestlemania and SDCC or anything that has been on your Mattel wish lists since 2010 because if this doesn't happen nothing will. Just purchase one and sell the ring if you don't want it. I bought 3 Sail Barges when a lot of Star Wars collectors were saying the same thing that a project like the Barge wouldn't sell YET 8800 were produced and now the market for them has gone nuts the last 2 years where they sell for no less than $1800-2000. ...🤷♂️ A lot of collectors aren't particularly bothered by large playsets/stages etc. anyway though. And no way in hell am I buying one, just to sell it (or part of it) on... they should have made something more desirable in the first place.
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Post by JDSFullmetal on Aug 2, 2021 4:32:36 GMT -5
It’s a real shame that they’re marketing strategy is “buy this item that only appeals to a small group of fans, or we won’t make anything else” They could have made a play set from ANY era, and they make one from the LOWEST point in the company‘s history, And “ surprised Pikachu face” no one wants to buy it. Don’t let Mattel shift the blame on collectors.
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 2, 2021 4:36:04 GMT -5
Bill has said that the Ultimate Diesel will have special packaging to look different than all the other UE figures. With special packaging and limited to only around 5k made if Shawn Michaels and the Rock’s go for $200 then this one will go for that or more. Basically the Diesel figure if you resale it will pay for your ring and entrance stage. How are people not jumping on this ? The Doink if we get there will also have special packaging.
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Post by chaz on Aug 2, 2021 5:12:56 GMT -5
I put in an order for 2 of them. Mattel Team said in interviews that if this doesn't happen then future WWE Mattel Creations will be highly unlikely for anything else for a very long time. So with all the negative comments about the "ring", which is way better than those crappy RAW and Smackdown rings, good luck hoping for future items like that massive stage setup seen at Wrestlemania and SDCC or anything that has been on your Mattel wish lists since 2010 because if this doesn't happen nothing will. Just purchase one and sell the ring if you don't want it. I bought 3 Sail Barges when a lot of Star Wars collectors were saying the same thing that a project like the Barge wouldn't sell YET 8800 were produced and now the market for them has gone nuts the last 2 years where they sell for no less than $1800-2000. Or.... if we don't want it, we don't buy. Simple, eh?
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lefreeman991
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Post by lefreeman991 on Aug 2, 2021 5:18:42 GMT -5
Can you just stop pushing other collectors to buy something.
If the project is not backed it is Mattel fault, that's all.
You wont convince anybody of buying this set if they dont want to.
After being reluctant i backed this projet but clearly Mattel could have done better and if it is not made i wont cry.
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