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Post by SteveHulk on Aug 3, 2021 3:59:00 GMT -5
I'm starting to see more and more YouTubers make videos about how we as collectors NEED to back this even if we don't care about it because there might be something we will want to back in a future crowd funding attempt, and it's starting to get on my nerves. Yeah, no thanks. I'm not going to spend money on something just so that I can have the privilege of spending money on something I actually want later on. What happens if I back this, and the next project is still something I don't want? Do I have to back that too in hopes of the third time being the charm? Go pound sand. /Rant I know, it seems crazy to me too - "spend $250 on something you don't want or there probably won't be any future items (that you might not want)". Thanks - but no.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Aug 3, 2021 4:48:38 GMT -5
No this is wrong. While all three of your reasons above are the primary reasons I am not interested in the project, I am also actively participating in the conspiracy of cynically celebrating this project's failure. Also the WW logos are atrocious. The WW logos are atrocious. I understand the world wildlife fund owning the WWF trademark and having the website domain but surely having the letters WWF on a toy isn't a sueable issue. I always thought the WWE was overly cautious blurring the F. Oh and I'm so evil, I want the project to succeed so we can see if there really is any resale value. BWAHAHAHA. I don’t know if Steve would/could answer this question but for me, I’d be surprised if it’s about the court ruling….unfortunately I think they probably could legally use the Logo but wouldn’t be surprised if WWE didn’t want Mattel to use the WWF logo as they want to keep ‘on brand’ and keep the wwE theme out there 😩
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 3, 2021 4:58:59 GMT -5
They can't legally use the WWF logo on any new merchandise...Only archived video footage.
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Post by The Coach on Aug 3, 2021 5:57:05 GMT -5
Although it pissed me off they went back on what they said they were doing, I haven't canceled my payment yet. Even though I have no faith this gets made I'm going to do my part. That’s the sad part. That really hurts consumer trust to say one thing then completely do another. It’s even worse when it involves a $250 payment thy said you wouldn’t be charged for.
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Post by The Coach on Aug 3, 2021 5:58:36 GMT -5
I'm starting to see more and more YouTubers make videos about how we as collectors NEED to back this even if we don't care about it because there might be something we will want to back in a future crowd funding attempt, and it's starting to get on my nerves. Yeah, no thanks. I'm not going to spend money on something just so that I can have the privilege of spending money on something I actually want later on. What happens if I back this, and the next project is still something I don't want? Do I have to back that too in hopes of the third time being the charm? Go pound sand. /Rant I know, it seems crazy to me too - "spend $250 on something you don't want or there probably won't be any future items (that you might not want)". Thanks - but no. Yeah that mentality is really pissing me off. They also constantly say that scalpers are just part of the game. Where are the scalpers now? Lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 7:06:02 GMT -5
I'm starting to see more and more YouTubers make videos about how we as collectors NEED to back this even if we don't care about it because there might be something we will want to back in a future crowd funding attempt, and it's starting to get on my nerves. Yeah, no thanks. I'm not going to spend money on something just so that I can have the privilege of spending money on something I actually want later on. What happens if I back this, and the next project is still something I don't want? Do I have to back that too in hopes of the third time being the charm? Go pound sand. /Rant I know, it seems crazy to me too - "spend $250 on something you don't want or there probably won't be any future items (that you might not want)". Thanks - but no. I know some others may have insinuated that, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that that’s what I’m going for. I said in my video that I was mainly focusing on the people who were on the fence. I did make a pitch to those who don’t want it at all, but that’s all it was just a pitch. Poor communication on my part. I should have emphasized that if you just don’t want this thing that’s fine. But I do believe for those who do want it to some degree should be enticed by future possibilities. There is a difference there and I should’ve addressed that more clearly. I love you.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Aug 3, 2021 8:29:11 GMT -5
Funny thing about all this is…if Mattel said they were making this set including doink and the skirts and they simply said…we’re only making 8,000 of these, that’s it. Limited edition…they’d have probably sold out in an hour. Such is the psychology of collecting, even if it’s something you don’t LOVE, the idea that you’re one of only 8,000 in the world who have this and who will ever have it, would pull people in.
Technically, that would probably end up being the case here but they’ve not framed it that way…also, if 100,000 people bought this they’d make that many so it’s not really a limited item.
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Post by peterjp2 on Aug 3, 2021 8:46:35 GMT -5
Funny thing about all this is…if Mattel said they were making this set including doink and the skirts and they simply said…we’re only making 8,000 of these, that’s it. Limited edition…they’d have probably sold out in an hour Completely agree. With all the items selling out recently that we all think are mass produced in giant quantities, you would think something announced as limited to 8,000 and available to everyone in the world for shipping would have sold out very quickly. But unfortunately here we are. Jakks made a few superstar themed rings back in the day (Mick, Piper, etc.), I would be into something like that this time around. Instead of the new Legends Piper or RSC Cactus Jack I would have bought both if they were part of a ring theme/set for this Creations project and I say that as someone who does not require any more rings.
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Post by Old Zeke on Aug 3, 2021 9:22:40 GMT -5
Oof, it's dropped from 1,074 to 1,065 now.
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 3, 2021 9:28:58 GMT -5
Oof, it's dropped from 1,074 to 1,065 now. Guessing they'll be getting to the cancellations that resulted from them lying to fans about when theyll take payment. Still waiting on my cancellation, 3 days after I contacted them. So it's gonna drop more yet.
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 3, 2021 9:30:45 GMT -5
Funny thing about all this is…if Mattel said they were making this set including doink and the skirts and they simply said…we’re only making 8,000 of these, that’s it. Limited edition…they’d have probably sold out in an hour. Such is the psychology of collecting, even if it’s something you don’t LOVE, the idea that you’re one of only 8,000 in the world who have this and who will ever have it, would pull people in. Technically, that would probably end up being the case here but they’ve not framed it that way…also, if 100,000 people bought this they’d make that many so it’s not really a limited item. Said this exact thing a couple pages back. Problem with this is the mentality that you can only get it by relying on other people, and given that they took payment immediately it turned everyone off and Mattel killed it out of the gate. Absolute morons.
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Post by The One Who Collects on Aug 3, 2021 10:21:09 GMT -5
To me, just my personal opinion, there is no wow factor to this. A crowd funded project needs to be something that you'd likely never, ever get, unless it was crowd funded. I backed the sail barge and the Razor Crest as those are amazing collectibles. I have 4 rings displayed and 2 stored away. The figures aren't anything special as well. Imagine Mattel putting in FTITL figures. I think they shouldn't have done a ring. It should have been an entire stage or historic backstage set.
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Post by Wrestling Figure Database on Aug 3, 2021 12:04:57 GMT -5
Like many, I am disappointed with Mattel's first offer--but over the last few weeks, I've consistently said "I will be backing it."
To be honest, as the days go by, the likelihood of that dwindles.
While I love what Mattel has done for the WWE line, they created something that few people really want at an inflated price, bundled with unexciting items we'd be likely to get at retail eventually. If this were just the ring or just the entrance stage at a lower cost, this would likely be funded by now. I've heard the following arguments for why Mattel structured the deal this way:
-Crowdfunding supports projects that are not cheap. -Mattel wouldn’t waste their time with small items they can just throw on places like Ringside. -$100 doesn’t need crowdfunding.
If that's the case, this is the wrong project fundamentally: If Mattel could have sold the ring or the entrance at online retailers at lower price points, they should have. If both of these items would get online retailer or physical shelf space, why are we crowdfunding them?
It's then logical to ask myself, "Well, maybe there was demand for a New Generation bundle that definitely couldn't/wouldn't be sold elsewhere." And then I realize what I said and my brain explodes because all arguments don't make any sense anymore because no one wanted this over the litany of other items this could be.
I'm all about community, but I also wonder when I'm doing a thing just to do a thing, even if that thing feels inherently wrong and like I'm enabling bad precedents.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 12:17:07 GMT -5
I’m more than a little concerned about Mattel’s silence atm, especially after the 180 on the payment policy change. I’m actually surprised there isn’t more outrage about that.
Overall this is just becoming a worse and worse look for Mattel. Ugh. Hopefully they pull a hail mary of some kind.
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Post by jokerjohn on Aug 3, 2021 12:25:05 GMT -5
I think their best bet right now would be to just include everything at 5K backers and take the hit on their profit margin and next time do a better job.
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Post by newgenandy on Aug 3, 2021 13:15:31 GMT -5
I think their best bet right now would be to just include everything at 5K backers and take the hit on their profit margin and next time do a better job. Honestly I see this as the only way it could get even close and then it’s not a guarantee. Could they pull it early if they’re 4K down a week out say?
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Post by PJ on Aug 3, 2021 13:41:00 GMT -5
I think their best bet right now would be to just include everything at 5K backers and take the hit on their profit margin and next time do a better job. No their best bet is to scrap it. And never do a crowdfunding again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 13:48:23 GMT -5
I think their best bet right now would be to just include everything at 5K backers and take the hit on their profit margin and next time do a better job. No their best bet is to scrap it. And never do a crowdfunding again. I disagree with the latter. A Raw Is War ring and real scale Cell with an Attitude era Suited Vince would have sold methinks. Ditto with an SD Fist Stage and ring. Anyways, I don’t think they should give up altogether. But holy sh*t do they need to rework their strategy and offering next time. I love you.
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Post by theaxehennig on Aug 3, 2021 13:50:29 GMT -5
Just FYI, this is just my opinion, it's OK if you don't agree. I'd say in the next week or two, Mattel needs to try one last ditch effort to really push for this. And by doing so, they need to sweeten this release with something really big and enticing that will really nail the collector fanbase and make them want to buy this. The problem is right now people are still on the fence on this. I feel they need one really big additional reveal here, like a hail mary pass to try and push this over the edge. Could be wrong on that, but we'll see how this campaign finishes out. I completely agree with you. Nothing we’ve seen has that home run factor. I still stand by this lineup: 5,000: Ring, Entrance and Kona Crush 7,000: Doink (as shown) 8,000: Dink (to match Doink) 10,000: Evil Crush with Japanese flag and swappable “crushing” hands Kona Crush gives that star power from the New Gen and uniqueness a project like this needs. Doink goes with Crush from this period. Dink is a nice add-on after 1,000 additional backers (subsequent to Doink). I also stand by Evil Crush being the figure that puts this over the top. With the New Gen being the end of the Hasbro era, there are some uncaptured characters out there that would make sense in a set like this.
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Post by theaxehennig on Aug 3, 2021 13:54:56 GMT -5
At this point, scrap Diesel and give me a neon Mabel or a Smoking Gunns Billy.
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