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Post by Old School Collector on Aug 3, 2021 20:03:39 GMT -5
$250 is a total damn rip off.
Then it’s even MORE for Doink ect ...
Mattel finally shot their greedy selves in the foot.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 3, 2021 20:11:38 GMT -5
$250 is a total damn rip off. Then it’s even MORE for Doink ect ... Mattel finally shot their greedy selves in the foot. It's 250 for the whole set, if it makes it that far. The price stays the same if it makes it to the other tiers.
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Post by rKoNomad316 on Aug 3, 2021 20:41:14 GMT -5
No thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 21:19:14 GMT -5
We collectors will get blamed for not backing this, but the real culprits are their PR/Marketing team. 7 lousy pictures, no promos, terrible offerings, high price point - forget if you like/don't like New Gen - everything seems to be terribly planned out. $100 ring + $30 figure + an entrance that's probably $40 tops?! maybe crowdfunding isn't for WWE products, but don't despair guys - guarantee you ultimate Diesel and Doink are a future Ultimate wave, and this ring will be released as an exclusive because they've tooled everything. Back or don't back, we'll get these products eventually. I 100% agree unless Mattel wants to let vengeance over their embarrassment cause them to lose money, which I don't think will happen. This whole set is $250. WHEN Mattel sells it to us, they will sell the pieces individually and I bet the total retail for all will be somewhere above $250. Honestly, that's the way it should be: buy them all together and get a discount; buy them individually and pay a bit more. EDIT: I'd rather pay $125 or a bit more for the entrance and Doink then $250 for everything.
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Post by Chip on Aug 3, 2021 21:40:38 GMT -5
i dont blame them for trying, unless a miracle happens i dont see this getting 4000 people on board within a couple weeks.
i guess im on the short list of people that actually wanted this thing and was looking forward to it. i also liked the idea and the package overall. i think there were some missteps, especially with Diesel, but i was still willing to overlook them
and the cost is absolutely justified in this day and age for what it is.
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Post by jokerjohn on Aug 3, 2021 21:53:55 GMT -5
i dont blame them for trying, unless a miracle happens i dont see this getting 4000 people on board within a couple weeks. i guess im on the short list of people that actually wanted this thing and was looking forward to it. i also liked the idea and the package overall. i think there were some missteps, especially with Diesel, but i was still willing to overlook them and the cost is absolutely justified in this day and age for what it is. If this squeaks past 5K and we don't get Doink some other way I'm going to be pissed because I don't see this getting to 7K
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 3, 2021 22:20:38 GMT -5
With the bees that the money is all of a sudden being pulled again, this thing has been doomed from the start. Time to stick to your average quality plastic display pieces and not ultra high quality ultra detailed crowdfunding projects. They could’ve easily released a normal, plastic version of this without all the cells and whistles. The electronics must be costing this thing a fortune in development. I get that people want real metal stages and stuff, but a properly executed plastic stage with good stickers is easily doable at retail. The Wreckin line proves that. Battery-powered LED lights aren’t as expensive as you think. A lot of companies give out free LED mini-flashlights as advertising chachkies. The most expensive part would probably be the switch that controls the different LED patterns on this thing. I could be wrong, but cheap Chinese electronics are super cheap based on my experience with them.
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 3, 2021 22:38:34 GMT -5
I know that Mattel is saying if this doesn’t fund then no more projects, but that’s dumb. And by Mattel, I mean corporate Mattel. The chumps in suits. You try a different project and see if that works. Like a Smackdown fist. Just a single item to test the market. Or that giant modern stage they showed off a couple years ago that everyone wanted. A single showpiece. If a second project fails, too, you give up. Who cares if a second project fails? “But it will look bad on the brand!” Nobody cares about the feelings of a corporate entity. It’s not a person. Most people won’t even know there ever was a crowdfunding project.
Marvel Legends did the Sentinel. It was a single showpiece you can tie your whole collection around. It was a 3-foot tall figure. It was successful and so Marvel Legends’ next project was the exact same thing: a 3-foot figure. They didn’t need to experiment because the first thing worked. They didn’t make the Blackbird jet. They didn’t make a Danger Room playset. They did the same thing. The next Star Wars thing will probably be another vehicle playset like the Death Star.
My point is if the first idea isn’t a success, you need to experiment one more time to see what works. New Gen ring+entrance+figure was not a hit. Back to the drawing board because we don’t know what would be a smash success yet.
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Post by Old School Collector on Aug 3, 2021 23:01:43 GMT -5
$250 is a total damn rip off. Then it’s even MORE for Doink ect ... Mattel finally shot their greedy selves in the foot. It's 250 for the whole set, if it makes it that far. The price stays the same if it makes it to the other tiers. I highly doubt it even makes it enough for backing, but I can guarantee you they already know this. The thing that gives away that they know this, is that they’ve went from asking that you pay up front (which you should), to allowing anyone that’s window shopping to go ahead and take the plunge ... only to later realize “I don’t have the money, sorry”. I’ve never backed anything with the mindset of paying later ... I always paid right then and can already count that as a purchase. To many wishful thinking backers, for this, that this will cause it to never make goal. However, IF by some miracle that this does make the goal and goes into production, there’s a super high chance that it baaarreerlllyyy misses the tier that included Doink and whatever else, so that they can make even more money .... only to release those other items fown the road anyways. Mattel is blatantly over charging here, but blind hype isn’t going to work once crunch time hits and the serious backers start to see the disappointment due to the window shoppers backing out. I’m not trying to down the hopes of anyone that really wants this, but I’ll be highly surprised if this even comes remotely close to the default goal. $250 is asinine, for a ring and bland figure. The entrance board/walkway or whatever is sick, but nothing else is remotely going to justify that price point. Mattel was at bat on a full count ... swung and hit a can of corn into far right field. Don’t worry though, they’ll release all of this individually a few years down the road, so hopefully everybody don’t get all emotional when it doesn’t make goal 💯
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 12:08:54 GMT -5
Who draws the biggest numbers these days in WWE? Just have that person in a segment backstage "practicing" moves they are going to do to make there opponent look like a Clown like Doink. Boom! If that person plays with it, it must be cool! Drop your $250. Any promotion on Raw whatsoever would be more than they have done so far. I love you.
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Post by Don't Go Down on Aug 4, 2021 14:45:35 GMT -5
It's depressingly close to an abuse victim's language to blame yourself for this failure when the company didn't give the masses what they wanted. If they had their finger on the pulse of what fans have been begging for this would be funded already. 5000 and $250 are really small numbers- there's just no demand or excitement. Hasbro cruised right past 10k backers @ $400 for Galactus- this is what demand and meeting the needs of your consumers looks like. I grew up in this era of wrestling and would love this arena but there's just nothing compelling me to back this product and a veiled threat of "you better pay for the b-list stuff first if you want us to give you what you really want" is how the original Mattel WWE Legends line went down as an abysmal failure.
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Post by theaxehennig on Aug 4, 2021 14:56:39 GMT -5
It's depressingly close to an abuse victim's language to blame yourself for this failure when the company didn't give the masses what they wanted. If they had their finger on the pulse of what fans have been begging for this would be funded already. 5000 and $250 are really small numbers- there's just no demand or excitement. Hasbro cruised right past 10k backers @ $400 for Galactus- this is what demand and meeting the needs of your consumers looks like. I grew up in this era of wrestling and would love this arena but there's just nothing compelling me to back this product and a veiled threat of "you better pay for the b-list stuff first if you want us to give you what you really want" is how the original Mattel WWE Legends line went down as an abysmal failure. This post is 100% accurate. I never saw it from this perspective, but you’re right. This is exactly what happened to the Legends line, tag team Legends, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 15:36:14 GMT -5
At this point there are 3 options imo…
1) Let it run its course and fail and find a way to release parts of it in the future (probably what they will do)
2) Announce that all tiers will be included at 5K… even then it’s a tall order to hit 5K.
3) Scrap it altogether and come back with something surefire like an Attitude Era Ring with Hell in a Cell and suited AE era Vince or a Smackdown Fist Stage and ring.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Aug 4, 2021 15:55:24 GMT -5
I find it *very* hard to believe that personal interest isn't responsible for this flop. No way Mattel's design team thought THIS was the best choice for the first crowdfunded project. Just seems ridiculous to me that this was the first step instead of a fist stage or some other attitude era set piece or a Hell in a Cell or an Elimination Chamber. Hell, even a UE Doink for $45 that needs 5k backers to get made.
Seeing this set everyday just gets me so frustrated. Dropping the ball this hard grinds my gears because its the last chance we're going to get.
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Post by pickle on Aug 4, 2021 16:03:54 GMT -5
I never saw it from this perspective, but you’re right. This is exactly what happened to the Legends line, tag team Legends, etc. Their early legends strategy was "Let's focus on the guys/attires Jakks never made" to convince the many people saying they would never start a Mattel collection to switch over. Problem was Jakks and Mattel figs look like crapside-by-side so the strategy didn't work. (Plus I'm sure the $10 price hike didn't help). Here I think the strategy is more "the early 90s revival is huge right now (ie. Tmnt, xmen, gargoyles and beast wars) because that generation of kids has hit that sweet spot of nostalgia+money" and "this relatively simple set at $250 might be a better market test than a smackdown fist/titantron/real scale HIAC that we plan on charging $400+ for" The main issue with this project is nobody wants a dang ring. I'd pay 150 for the entrance, diesel and Doink, but a ring adds way to much cost for something I can't even display.
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Post by wwejunior on Aug 4, 2021 16:14:52 GMT -5
I just want them to give those that really want this the chance to pay more to actually get this if it fails. I've wanted a ring like this since I was a kid, reminds me of the Bend Ems ring that never came to fruition. If it doesn't happen now, likely never will and that sucks for those that REALLY want it. The stage also is something I've wanted for a while. It's agony just watching it barely progress each day...and knowing something I'd love to own is becoming less of a reality. Oh well...I'm hopeful they decide to do something imminently to try and get it backed like others have suggested.
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Post by jokerjohn on Aug 4, 2021 16:16:28 GMT -5
I never saw it from this perspective, but you’re right. This is exactly what happened to the Legends line, tag team Legends, etc. Their early legends strategy was "Let's focus on the guys/attires Jakks never made" to convince the many people saying they would never start a Mattel collection to switch over. Problem was Jakks and Mattel figs look like crap side-by-side so the strategy didn't work. (Plus I'm sure the $10 price hike didn't help). Here I think the strategy is more "the early 90s revival is huge right now (ie. Tmnt, xmen, gargoyles and beast wars) because that generation of kids has hit that sweet spot of nostalgia+money" and "this relatively simple set at $250 might be a better market test than a smackdown fist/titantron/real scale HIAC that we plan on charging $400+ for" The main issue with this project is nobody wants a dang ring. I'd pay 150 for the entrance, diesel and Doink, but a ring adds way to much cost for something I can't even display. Some good points but for me personally I hate Jakks figures and think Mattel look way better. Also it seems like the Smackdown stage is and was the more requested item so my question would be what would everyone be willing to pay for a scale fist stage and a figure.
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Post by onlymoc21 on Aug 4, 2021 17:02:25 GMT -5
Hey guys new to the topic but wanted to offer another viewpoint and would be cool to hear thoughts. For me one of the biggest mistakes was the handling of the SDCC exclusive 24 hours before Mattel Creations launched. Fans came away from that feeling totally unsupported, influencers received the product early and free, not enough product to meet with demand and frankly no follow to address the issue they themselves caused, then 24 hours later wanting fans to spend money to support something they want to get off the ground, even with the tagline “No 3 minute sellout”. I feel this is a factor, and this situation I hope will humble Mattel, sadly with the success of a number of lines I feel they got to a point of almost taking the paying customer for granted. For clarity I have backed it, but it took a day or two for me to process and consider following the SDCC issue.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 4, 2021 17:05:01 GMT -5
Well I can say this...As a Legends collector I buy guys from Attitude/Ruthless aggression eras all the time in hopes of seeing what I truly want come out (80s) if this doesnt get backed, Ill be damned if Im dropping money on a stupid silver fist or giant red letters for an entrance.
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Post by PJ on Aug 4, 2021 17:52:32 GMT -5
It’s been brought up a few times now and I still don’t understand how one ties to the other. Slaughter was a SDCC exclusive it was always going to go fast, because it was a SDCC exclusive which is produced in such a limited amount. There was never going to be enough to go around for everyone. Hell, the only reason it was even available to purchase online during the con was because there was no actual comic con. If there was then the exclusive wouldn’t have been on the website until a few weeks after the comic con. That’s if they had any left just like every other SDCC exclusive they released pre pandemic. But with no physical comic con they were always going to sell out in minutes because everyone was going to be trying to get it at the same time. Did I want one? Yes I did, but I knew it was going to be near impossible to get one because there was no physical comic con. So yes I was on line when it was up but it sold out before I could finish my transaction. That’s life. That should have no impact on people backing this or not.
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