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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 8, 2021 4:20:35 GMT -5
I think they will move the Doink and ring skirts down to 5k and if that still isn’t enough to get enough ppl to back this project then there just aren’t as many niche collectors as we thought. A lot of people are saying they should have went with the Smackdown fist or titan tron but those play sets are gonna be 3 times as big as this set and will be $400-$600 as Steve said on the podcast.
3 UE figures that will be very rare Stage Ring Announce desk Ring skirt
All of that for $250 is a steal.
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Post by SquashMatch on Aug 8, 2021 5:14:46 GMT -5
I think they will move the Doink and ring skirts down to 5k and if that still isn’t enough to get enough ppl to back this project then there just aren’t as many niche collectors as we thought. A lot of people are saying they should have went with the Smackdown fist or titan tron but those play sets are gonna be 3 times as big as this set and will be $400-$600 as Steve said on the podcast. 3 UE figures that will be very rare Stage Ring Announce desk Ring skirt All of that for $250 is a steal. Good value especially if we get 3 ultimates that will never be in stores.
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 8, 2021 5:32:39 GMT -5
I think they will move the Doink and ring skirts down to 5k and if that still isn’t enough to get enough ppl to back this project then there just aren’t as many niche collectors as we thought. A lot of people are saying they should have went with the Smackdown fist or titan tron but those play sets are gonna be 3 times as big as this set and will be $400-$600 as Steve said on the podcast. 3 UE figures that will be very rare Stage Ring Announce desk Ring skirt All of that for $250 is a steal. I think the post New Gen entrance stages would only be a fortune if they load it up with a bunch of stupid gimmicks. The K-Mart entrance stage was $50 at retail and was pretty big. If you double that size, you’ve got a good shot at something cool. I don’t think making an entrance stage as close to scale as possible as the real thing would be smart, though. I think that would be too big.
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Post by The Assassin on Aug 8, 2021 5:39:18 GMT -5
They've tried adding more figures, they should try adding some more actual arena pieces. i agree. i just meant from the context of what they had already shown.... but yes if i was designing this as an "ultimate arena" i would have included the ring skirts, announce table/chairs/mic, etc from the beginning. as well as "around the ring" mats and the fencing. ring bell and timekeepers table would have been cool also would have thrown in an American Flag as a nod to the Hasbro ring, and at least a Winged Eagle belt. Maybe some kind of cloth black fabric to lay down as an entrance walkway from the stage piece to the ring. basically i would have gone full ringside area and THEN started adding figures at certain thresholds Very well said, for something called the Ultimate Arena, this isn't even close to being a comprehensive or "ultimate" setup. Yet for some reason most of the debate here seems to be fixated soley on the choice of figures. Barely anyone other than me has highlighted the lack of arena pieces being a potential issue. I must say I felt quite concerned when Mattel's main idea to sweeten the deal was to add another figure. It's like they're struggling to understand what else they could do, and it hasn't even crossed their mind to try adding ringside mats, barricades, weapons, ladder, ringbell, etc. I credit the announcer table as a good choice, but it looks quite cheap and rushed, so the Macho figure still seems to be their main idea. Yes it adds value, but it doesn't add anything for the collectors still hesitating (including me) who are simply more interested in the ARENA aspect of this set, over ANY choice of figures they include. And even with people who are potentially more receptive to figures, their choice of big name Ultimates is alienating a large amount of collectors who are invested in ELITES and prefer that style. Whatever way you look at it, Elites have a bigger customer base BY FAR than Ultimates. Elite has been going since 2010 with hundreds of characters released and available. Many people have no interest in "starting again" in a new style, are quite satisfied with the Elite style, and would rather just build on their existing Elite collection. And many people will be happy with their existing Elite figures of Diesel, Doink and Macho. But again I don't want my point lost in talk of the figures aspect. My main point is that Mattel should try adding more arena pieces to scoop up the remaining lurkers.
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Post by onlymoc21 on Aug 8, 2021 7:33:18 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how this pans out at this point, I have backed it twice. It’s taking them a decent amount of time to get to 40% and it’s going to take a hell of a push to get the remaining 60% but I am hopeful . It’s a learning experience for Mattel and fans. I think Mattel went all guns blazing, and should have started with maybe the entrance and a fig to get customers use to the funding process with a lower price point. From a fan perspective, we can learn not to complain so much about things not being produced because this was and is a put up or shut up situation. Will they try this again yes, but if this does not make it, it will be a long long time before these products see the light of day if ever. They can’t set the example.
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Post by RedDevil on Aug 8, 2021 7:46:07 GMT -5
2,101 now - 42% backed
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 8, 2021 7:50:57 GMT -5
I really don't think any extra arena parts will move this in any meaningful fashion. Macho proved that it's big name/highly desirable characters that will move the needle.
If they do a "late backer" incentive following Macho closing, throw a new Gen Shawn, Bret or Warrior in there. That'd move the needle way more.
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Post by chaz on Aug 8, 2021 8:12:01 GMT -5
I can't see anything else getting added now.
If it were to happen, there's a UE Shawn coming isn't there? Would make sense to include him here and not the mainline seeing as he's one of the biggest names of the New Generation era.
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Post by mcfclee on Aug 8, 2021 8:26:11 GMT -5
Also don’t see them adding any more but as I said earlier adding access to order certain figures is an easy way for them to take our money with the promise of more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 8:45:04 GMT -5
More arena pieces aren’t going to noticeably increase the percentage of backers. Most collectors want new figures to display, not an arena with every last detail put into it. I’d bet the percentage of collectors that display figures in a case/on a shelf FAR outweighs the ones who display in an arena/do figure photography.
Flashback Harley Race is only sought after because of its very short time at retail. A re-released figure would hurt this far more than helping it.
Clearly there’s major money to be many with Ultimates, hence why they went with them for this campaign. Elites wouldn’t have made a difference.
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Post by Chip on Aug 8, 2021 9:09:10 GMT -5
More arena pieces aren’t going to noticeably increase the percentage of backers. Most collectors want new figures to display, not an arena with every last detail put into it. I’d bet the percentage of collectors that display figures in a case/on a shelf FAR outweighs the ones who display in an arena/do figure photography. Flashback Harley Race is only sought after because of its very short time at retail. A re-released figure would hurt this far more than helping it. Clearly there’s major money to be many with Ultimates, hence why they went with them for this campaign. Elites wouldn’t have made a difference. i love the Ultimate line, but I would have preferred Elites with this setup to be honest
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Aug 8, 2021 9:09:43 GMT -5
They’re going to have to move Doink and the skirts down to 5K to get this made I think….especially as it’s looks pretty certain they won’t reach 5k by the Macho deadline.
It must be cost effective for them to do this surely? And if they do it early enough, they’ll probably get closer to 6/7K backers in the end with the added doink at 5k…so would ironically end up at closer to maximum backers.
I think if they announce they’ll drop doink in at 5k BEFORE the macho deadline, they’ll get a rush of backers and you’ll also get people buying more than one as the potential to flip is far greater with Doink than without.
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Post by bababooey on Aug 8, 2021 9:13:57 GMT -5
Being limited to Visa or MasterCard doesn’t help the situation. After all this time, I was finally sold on this. Unfortunately, I only have Amex. So I’m now finding myself in the position where I do actually want it, and literally can’t back it. I can’t be the only one in this position, so there’s a number of potential backers just shut out from this. I assume that also means I’m shut out from future potential projects. If Mattel is successful with crowdfunding, and I want any of the products, I’m stuck going to the secondary market. Hasbro has no issues with Amex. Kickstarter has no issues with Amex. How many potential backers are just blocked from this because they don’t have Visa or MasterCard? Against using one of those prepaid gift cards you can find most anywhere? Load it up at the register with enough to cover the cost and an activation fee and the site treats it as a typical credit card. Yeah. If I bought one of those to put down for this and this doesn’t fund, I’m still stuck paying for the card. Can’t see why Mattel just can’t seem to make this as simple as literally every other crowdfunding project from other companies. They’re just making it harder on themselves.
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Post by bababooey on Aug 8, 2021 9:15:23 GMT -5
Against using one of those prepaid gift cards you can find most anywhere? Load it up at the register with enough to cover the cost and an activation fee and the site treats it as a typical credit card. Also, if it’s an option, getting a new credit card is generally easy and it’s always good to have a few options (this being a good example). For 20 years, I’ve been fine with just 1 credit card. I’m not gonna open up a new card just for this
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Post by zen411 on Aug 8, 2021 9:29:42 GMT -5
They’re going to have to move Doink and the skirts down to 5K to get this made I think….especially as it’s looks pretty certain they won’t reach 5k by the Macho deadline. It must be cost effective for them to do this surely? And if they do it early enough, they’ll probably get closer to 6/7K backers in the end with the added doink at 5k…so would ironically end up at closer to maximum backers. I think if they announce they’ll drop doink in at 5k BEFORE the macho deadline, they’ll get a rush of backers and you’ll also get people buying more than one as the potential to flip is far greater with Doink than without. I really think this is the best option. More than adding new stuff just make it clear that we get to 5000 and everyone gets Doink. He is too much a part of the presentation and conversation to potentially not happen. It's got to be better for mattel to at least make this happen then hold doink back and never get made.
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Post by walkingturtles on Aug 8, 2021 9:40:21 GMT -5
I think they will move the Doink and ring skirts down to 5k and if that still isn’t enough to get enough ppl to back this project then there just aren’t as many niche collectors as we thought. A lot of people are saying they should have went with the Smackdown fist or titan tron but those play sets are gonna be 3 times as big as this set and will be $400-$600 as Steve said on the podcast. 3 UE figures that will be very rare Stage Ring Announce desk Ring skirt All of that for $250 is a steal. The thing is you don’t need the ring! I would have personally backed this had it been the Nitro set with the big WCW letters in steel and the Luger and then maybe another nWo Macho Man. One of those big entrance stages would work to, just forego a ring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 9:47:06 GMT -5
Putting Harley Race in this set would move the needle even more. Lots of people still want that figure re-released. We have already gotten diesel and doink multiple times. If you want people to pay $250 for a ring and figure set it needs to be something special. Its great they added a macho man announcers pack, but i don't know if that will be enough. Replace diesel with harley and watch the numbers jump like wildfire. no harley wouldn’t have moved the needle stop He absolutely would have.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 8, 2021 9:50:22 GMT -5
Why in God's name are people bringing up Harley Race? Wrong era and he's not under contract...The fantasy booking for this set has reached an all new level of ridiculous.
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Post by The Assassin on Aug 8, 2021 9:57:05 GMT -5
For me the ring is the piece I'm most interested in. While I would have preferred a WCW scale ring (i.e. 18 x 18) and themed pieces, it's still the most accurate ring design ever seen, I love the truss/scaffolding under the skirts.
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 8, 2021 9:58:45 GMT -5
no harley wouldn’t have moved the needle stop He absolutely would have. Sticking an obscure guy who’s run was 20 years before this set is based on would have killed it immediately. We’d have had 0 chance of it succeeding.
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