natureboyfauser
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 23, 2021 8:39:24 GMT -5
I could be one of the oldest collectors here, but need your advice please. What am I missing on:
1. Butterfly shoulders? I don't think they look anywhere near as good or real. Are they more playable? Do people like the look more? What am I missing?
2. Why does Walmart, Target for example buy a line in advance from Mattel on concept ... and not leverage their on-line pre-sales to gage the wants of that product? It seems that both the retailer and Mattel are not reaching their potential on sales.
3. If it is true that Walmart and Target want 50 John Cena's, Rock's, and hot new wrestlers etc ... and not so much obscure legends (Ivan Putski, Tony Atlas, Pedro Morales, Bruiser Brody, Harley Race etc ... doesn't that perfectly fit the Mattel Creations model for them to put that out to see how the collectors respond? Maybe they will get there I hope but on-line sales opens up sooooo many possibilities for Mattel to make money.
Thanks for your input.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 23, 2021 9:13:49 GMT -5
Mattel had a model for selling Legends 10 years ago with figures of wrestlers like Andre the Giant, King Kong Bundy, the Brain Busters, Rockers, etc. Nobody bought them.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Jul 23, 2021 9:17:09 GMT -5
Opening the Legends line with NWA LoD was an idiotic move. And many other 70s/80s wrestlers. Bill still struggles with knowing his audience. Thank goodness they brought on Steve.
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Post by bababooey on Jul 23, 2021 9:26:23 GMT -5
1. It’s more of a personal taste thing. I could personally go either way on them. I don’t mind not having them, but when I’m doing photography, the extra range helps with posing
2. They buy on concept most likely because of production lead times. Retailers generally like to have their pegs and whatnot planned out months (if not a year) in advance. Ordering on concept allows for production to start, so that product comes out faster. If you look at true preorders, they usually take somewhere around a year. Places like Walmart and Target don’t want that.
3. Until Sgt Slaughter was announced I’d never actually heard of Mattel Creations, so there may be something to your point. They’d still probably limit how far back they go. Jakks did those legends, but the legends collector is of a different generation now. As more time passes, those guys tend to fall deeper into the history books. Back when Jakks was doing Classic Superstars, those were the beloved legends of the generation collecting them. The people buying legends now are looking more for very late 80s-Attitude Era more than anything
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Post by guster on Jul 23, 2021 9:33:32 GMT -5
2. Why does Walmart, Target for example buy a line in advance from Mattel on concept ... and not leverage their on-line pre-sales to gage the wants of that product? It seems that both the retailer and Mattel are not reaching their potential on sales. I think a lot of people tend to forget Target, Walmart and other retailers have thousands upon thousands of different products they sell. In the grand scheme of things, stuff like socks, underwear, soda and a bunch of everyday products make more money in a single day than action figures do in an entire month. In other words, action figures just aren't a priority. It's why when Steve says "we'll look into it with our retailers", it sometimes takes years for things to be corrected (if they even do). At the end of the day, Walmart and Target are here to make money, and if they sell through their allotment of product one way or another, there is really no incentive for them to change the way they do things just to make a very, very small segment of their customer base happy. A dollar is a dollar to them.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 23, 2021 9:48:51 GMT -5
Thank you for all of your input. I really appreciate it.
I HATE MY JOB - to your point and it is a valid one. Thank you. I did buy those but could totally understand why others didn't at the time. My thoughts then was ... If they were going to have someone as popular as Andre the Giant on line or Bundy at the early stages of Mattel's line ... I was wondering were they not doing legends? Or understood that collector ... if not that would be a deterrent to me for investing in this line. There was still a residual effect of JAKKS having the most diverse line of wrestlers ever made that had really good sculpts and was Mattel going to be able to do that? They still haven't matched the diversity however their scale and sculpts have me totally in and my jakks are in storage. Did enough people know about those figures on-line before gaining the brand loyalty of the line. So Mattel was correct in doing it but perhaps at the wrong time. I would like to think they have a far larger audience NOW that would lead to more success.
Buddyboy 101 - thank you. I actually like LOD a lot ... but I more questioned why they didn't establish Slaughter's, Snuka's and LOD's classic look to kick things off. That made me question if they knew these superstars and the new collectors to this line. I would say now the answer is yes .. but back then I questioned it.
BABABOOEY. Thank you. So when you take pictures let's say straight on does it not look more like a toy or not as realistic with that overt joint? Just not sure about the posing - perhaps I need to move them around more. I guess I wouldn't mess with Mattel's sales on how they order etc ... but certainly wished they would maximize their potential with reorders. Kind of like Target is doing now on remakes of Rogue for Marvel Legends. I sadly agree with your third point which is why it might be safer to let the collector decide if their is a market for anything 80's and earlier ... with now a larger audience and to your point Mattel Creations ... there really is no more excuses for the collector if they promote a legend and see how it does. If it fails ... the collectors spoke. If it wins - everyone wins.
Guster. Thank you. Yes you are correct soda and underwear sell without a lot of effort ... toys definitely sell but with more strategy and awareness. I have been to Toys r us and marveled how little they know their toys. To some people jobs are jobs and not passion to know. I don't know the buyers knowledge and understanding of collectors ... then the scalpers and how many others would buy. Bottom line, I think you are right .. and I feel pretty confident that Mattel knows what they are doing far more than I am suggesting ... I am just adding a voice for them to consider of my passion. Based on what I see here on this forum I am not alone .... but perhaps we are still not significant enough to financially impact them .. which is why they fight to get a legend in a line.
Again, thanks to all of you for the exchange,
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Post by bababooey on Jul 23, 2021 11:32:44 GMT -5
Thank you for all of your input. I really appreciate it. I HATE MY JOB - to your point and it is a valid one. Thank you. I did buy those but could totally understand why others didn't at the time. My thoughts then was ... If they were going to have someone as popular as Andre the Giant on line or Bundy at the early stages of Mattel's line ... I was wondering were they not doing legends? Or understood that collector ... if not that would be a deterrent to me for investing in this line. There was still a residual effect of JAKKS having the most diverse line of wrestlers ever made that had really good sculpts and was Mattel going to be able to do that? They still haven't matched the diversity however their scale and sculpts have me totally in and my jakks are in storage. Did enough people know about those figures on-line before gaining the brand loyalty of the line. So Mattel was correct in doing it but perhaps at the wrong time. I would like to think they have a far larger audience NOW that would lead to more success. Buddyboy 101 - thank you. I actually like LOD a lot ... but I more questioned why they didn't establish Slaughter's, Snuka's and LOD's classic look to kick things off. That made me question if they knew these superstars and the new collectors to this line. I would say now the answer is yes .. but back then I questioned it. BABABOOEY. Thank you. So when you take pictures let's say straight on does it not look more like a toy or not as realistic with that overt joint? Just not sure about the posing - perhaps I need to move them around more. I guess I wouldn't mess with Mattel's sales on how they order etc ... but certainly wished they would maximize their potential with reorders. Kind of like Target is doing now on remakes of Rogue for Marvel Legends. I sadly agree with your third point which is why it might be safer to let the collector decide if their is a market for anything 80's and earlier ... with now a larger audience and to your point Mattel Creations ... there really is no more excuses for the collector if they promote a legend and see how it does. If it fails ... the collectors spoke. If it wins - everyone wins. Guster. Thank you. Yes you are correct soda and underwear sell without a lot of effort ... toys definitely sell but with more strategy and awareness. I have been to Toys r us and marveled how little they know their toys. To some people jobs are jobs and not passion to know. I don't know the buyers knowledge and understanding of collectors ... then the scalpers and how many others would buy. Bottom line, I think you are right .. and I feel pretty confident that Mattel knows what they are doing far more than I am suggesting ... I am just adding a voice for them to consider of my passion. Based on what I see here on this forum I am not alone .... but perhaps we are still not significant enough to financially impact them .. which is why they fight to get a legend in a line. Again, thanks to all of you for the exchange, I remember when Mattel first did their Legends and went with those (less iconic to most) looks the thinking was along the lines of they were still trying to convince people to continue with them after years of Jakks. So they were thinking going with looks Jakks didn’t cover was the way to go. For the butterfly shoulders, if you’re doing a straight on vanilla pose, the added articulation doesn’t really matter. It’s matters more when you’re doing action shots and having the figures grab or reach across their bodies. Fir example, you can get a better looking Stone Cold Stunner with the Ultimate figure
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Jul 23, 2021 11:37:38 GMT -5
Mattel had a model for selling Legends 10 years ago with figures of wrestlers like Andre the Giant, King Kong Bundy, the Brain Busters, Rockers, etc. Nobody bought them. I actually loved the matty collector exclusives
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Post by peterjp2 on Jul 23, 2021 11:46:17 GMT -5
Random tangent but I am surprised Mattel hasn't made an Ivan Putski figure. I have the Jakks one and would love a Mattel rendition. Hope some of the older, and to your point OP, more obscure older legends get made at some point.
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Post by warlord on Jul 23, 2021 11:53:40 GMT -5
in regards to the first question, yes. i personally prefer butterfly joints because of a better range of motion when articulating and doing certain poses for figure photography. the majority of people on here don’t like it because they only buy the figures and pop them up the shelf, stare at it, and walk away
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Jul 23, 2021 11:55:36 GMT -5
I dislike the butterfly shoulders as well. The torsos don’t look as good either.
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 25, 2021 21:26:41 GMT -5
I didn’t start collecting until CM Punk was well into his WWE Championship run, so I missed all the Legends figures and had to get them on the secondary market. By the time I heard about Matty Collector, it was already mostly defunct, but as someone with some experience in web design, that website was a piece of shit. It was impossible to find anything. Mattel Creations’ website also sucks and looks more like some garbage app than a website.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jul 25, 2021 21:31:03 GMT -5
Target sucks and this is how they run their company:
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 26, 2021 2:39:10 GMT -5
Target sucks and this is how they run their company: You have no idea! I worked in the stockroom. We had some fresh WWE Elites and Marvel Legends in the back for over a month. I waited until the inventory system told us to push them out just to see how long it would take because we had mostly empty pegs on the sales floor. I gave up and pushed them out myself. They sold through in a couple days. There was a Wrestlemania shipper that was sitting in the back. I made a manager push it out the week before Wrestlemania just so I could see what figures were in it. This was a recurring theme. Target’s inventory system is terrible.
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Post by Gorilla on Jul 26, 2021 6:47:02 GMT -5
Mattel had a model for selling Legends 10 years ago with figures of wrestlers like Andre the Giant, King Kong Bundy, the Brain Busters, Rockers, etc. Nobody bought them. It's a different world today than 10 years ago. eCommerce is much bigger. I grew up watching 80s wrestling and in the last ten years I have jumped significantly in salary by gaining experience moving into my late 30s/ early 40s.
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Post by TheGoldStandard on Jul 26, 2021 10:19:21 GMT -5
Mattel had a model for selling Legends 10 years ago with figures of wrestlers like Andre the Giant, King Kong Bundy, the Brain Busters, Rockers, etc. Nobody bought them. It's a different world today than 10 years ago. eCommerce is much bigger. I grew up watching 80s wrestling and in the last ten years I have jumped significantly in salary by gaining experience moving into my late 30s/ early 40s. Not to mention the market is huuuuugggggeeeee compared to then.
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