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Post by opdoomsday64 on Aug 6, 2021 23:55:26 GMT -5
I’ve always wondered why both of these amazing wrestlers were never in the hall of fame, they were revolutionary for what they did, and I know they both have had better careers outside of the wwe, but they could still add them in, and I wonder even more with bam bam because he was featured on a shirt that I bought from target and he got an action figure made out of him quite a few times( even tho just because you have an action figure won’t mean you go into the hof) but still very strange
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Aug 7, 2021 0:40:20 GMT -5
Couple months earlier for these threads ain’t it? I do agree though,
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 7, 2021 0:42:44 GMT -5
Vader had fought hard for induction before his death. Bam Bam should have went in a while back. I think they are trying to limit the inductees each year when it comes to those who have passed.
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Post by opdoomsday64 on Aug 7, 2021 3:05:04 GMT -5
It’s crazy to think that jushin liger went in before both of them, and he only had one match with wwe.
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Post by bababooey on Aug 7, 2021 9:30:20 GMT -5
I legit thought they were in the Hall of Fame
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Aug 7, 2021 15:11:53 GMT -5
The HOF is a gimmick. For example. somebody like Koko B Ware should not be in the Hall of Fame before somebody like The Rock. They build a Hall of Fame class like it’s a PPV card. They have a Headliner, an almost headliner, a woman, a minority, a dead wrestler and a celebrity.
They don’t base the class on the most deserving, they base it on who fits each slot and make sure they save some people for the next one.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 7, 2021 15:49:20 GMT -5
Vader should have been inducted before his death. Total disrespect by the WWE.
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 7, 2021 17:08:41 GMT -5
Bam Bam once saved kids from a burning building. If that isn't HOF Worthy. then I don't know what is.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 7, 2021 20:05:03 GMT -5
The baseball and football hall of fame are even worse. WWE is a legit HOF compared to those. Football and baseball induct guys a year after they die or a few years before they die while the inductee is seriously ill and unable to speak at their induction. They induct guys their last year of eligibility to teach them a lesson because the guy ticked off sports writers. At least with the WWE Hall of Fame you know it's Vince being OK with guys going in so you know it's based on who the McMahon's are friendly with. The baseball and football hall of famer voters are comprised of sports writers who are often bitter players snubbed them for interviews and hall of famers who decided well after the player has passed that maybe it's time to honor this person they played with and who wanted so desperately to be in the hall but was overlooked until they died or were close to death. One football player even asked for his name to be taken off the list of potential inductees he had been looked over so long and that very induction year he was inducted. WWE is legit as they come, it's the baseball and football halls that are fake. I don't follow hockey or basketball so don't know their process but anyone who thinks WWE HOF is a joke needs to research the baseball and football HOF and those are the real jokes.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Aug 7, 2021 21:34:21 GMT -5
The baseball and football hall of fame are even worse. WWE is a legit HOF compared to those. Football and baseball induct guys a year after they die or a few years before they die while the inductee is seriously ill and unable to speak at their induction. They induct guys their last year of eligibility to teach them a lesson because the guy ticked off sports writers. At least with the WWE Hall of Fame you know it's Vince being OK with guys going in so you know it's based on who the McMahon's are friendly with. The baseball and football hall of famer voters are comprised of sports writers who are often bitter players snubbed them for interviews and hall of famers who decided well after the player has passed that maybe it's time to honor this person they played with and who wanted so desperately to be in the hall but was overlooked until they died or were close to death. One football player even asked for his name to be taken off the list of potential inductees he had been looked over so long and that very induction year he was inducted. WWE is legit as they come, it's the baseball and football halls that are fake. I don't follow hockey or basketball so don't know their process but anyone who thinks WWE HOF is a joke needs to research the baseball and football HOF and those are the real jokes. I understand where you’re coming from, politics are everywhere, I totally see that. The only place I differ with my opinion is that I think FOR THE MOST PART, not 100%, but for the most part, the NFL & MLB usually put in guys worthy of a HOF induction. With the exception of Pete Rose, most everybody that SHOULD be in there, IS. The WWE on the other hand is at the point where they just throw anybody fans might remember into the HOF. I do not think Koko B Ware had a HOF career. Did he even hold a single title? I know it’s a work but a title is still an indicator of drawing power, or faith from the company. Celebrities aside, guys like Rikishi, Bushwackers, The Godfather…these guys all played their part don’t get me wrong. But Hall of Farmers are supposed to be around the same level and Rikishi is not on the level of Stone Cold, Bret Hart etc. not even close. So WWE has its issues in my opinion. I love the WWE HOF, but I legit look at it like one last show for the guys I loved to watch. Every year they gotta put in somebody and it seems like they just pick anybody fans might remember, not really people that had a legitimate Hall of Fame career. I mean, if the Great Khali is a Hall of Famer, who isn’t?
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 8, 2021 9:45:40 GMT -5
The baseball and football hall of fame are even worse. WWE is a legit HOF compared to those. Football and baseball induct guys a year after they die or a few years before they die while the inductee is seriously ill and unable to speak at their induction. They induct guys their last year of eligibility to teach them a lesson because the guy ticked off sports writers. At least with the WWE Hall of Fame you know it's Vince being OK with guys going in so you know it's based on who the McMahon's are friendly with. The baseball and football hall of famer voters are comprised of sports writers who are often bitter players snubbed them for interviews and hall of famers who decided well after the player has passed that maybe it's time to honor this person they played with and who wanted so desperately to be in the hall but was overlooked until they died or were close to death. One football player even asked for his name to be taken off the list of potential inductees he had been looked over so long and that very induction year he was inducted. WWE is legit as they come, it's the baseball and football halls that are fake. I don't follow hockey or basketball so don't know their process but anyone who thinks WWE HOF is a joke needs to research the baseball and football HOF and those are the real jokes. It’s horrible what MLB sports writers did to Ron Santo. Guy was campaigning for years, had the numbers to compete with any third baseman in the hall at that point, had fan backing, and was a model citizen with helping to promote the JDRF foundation…and the idiot writers waited until after his death to put him in because he refused to give someone an interview decades ago.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 8, 2021 11:17:15 GMT -5
It’s horrible what MLB sports writers did to Ron Santo. Guy was campaigning for years, had the numbers to compete with any third baseman in the hall at that point, had fan backing, and was a model citizen with helping to promote the JDRF foundation…and the idiot writers waited until after his death to put him in because he refused to give someone an interview decades ago. Ron is a major sour point for me. I know family's are proud to go to the inductions but I feel like they should refuse. A guy like Ron waited so long and it was something that would mean a lot to him and of course they induct him after his passing. I guess board members felt bad but it's too little too late. And Ken Stabler was another one inducted after death. Buck O'Neil who was a major ambassador for MLB and the Negro Leauge's is another sad one. He was a board members of the baseball hall yet not included with the dozen or more Negro Leaguers inducted in 2006. He of course stayed positive but you could tell it hurt him. I think he even missed it by like one vote. Also including guys like Koko in the hall are reasons I do feel the hall is more legit than baseball or football. Not every guy is going to be main event level, not every buy is going to hit 500 home runs or have a large amount of touchdowns or a super bowl or wrestlemania moment. You have to look at the totality of a wrestlers career.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 8, 2021 11:36:52 GMT -5
It’s horrible what MLB sports writers did to Ron Santo. Guy was campaigning for years, had the numbers to compete with any third baseman in the hall at that point, had fan backing, and was a model citizen with helping to promote the JDRF foundation…and the idiot writers waited until after his death to put him in because he refused to give someone an interview decades ago. Ron is a major sour point for me. I know family's are proud to go to the inductions but I feel like they should refuse. A guy like Ron waited so long and it was something that would mean a lot to him and of course they induct him after his passing. I guess board members felt bad but it's too little too late. And Ken Stabler was another one inducted after death. Buck O'Neil who was a major ambassador for MLB and the Negro Leauge's is another sad one. He was a board members of the baseball hall yet not included with the dozen or more Negro Leaguers inducted in 2006. He of course stayed positive but you could tell it hurt him. I think he even missed it by like one vote. Also including guys like Koko in the hall are reasons I do feel the hall is more legit than baseball or football. Not every guy is going to be main event level, not every buy is going to hit 500 home runs or have a large amount of touchdowns or a super bowl or wrestlemania moment. You have to look at the totality of a wrestlers career. Great point and I agree with guys like Koko having a place in the HOF. He was still massively over during one of the biggest boom periods in wrestling. The MLB HOF election process is just a complete joke IMO. Like you said, not everyone will hit 500 home runs or win 300 games yet that seems to be the mark set to make the hall (unless steroids come into play or writers are being petty). Two guys that come to mind for me right away are Fred Mcgriff and Mark Burhle. Two of the most consistent careers ever but writers won’t vote them in because they came shy of those marks. McGriff had as consistent of a 20 year career as you’ll find, but because he came 7 short of 500 HRs he won’t get in. Burhle has 200+ wins, a perfect game, a no-hitter, and a major piece to a championship team, yet won’t get in because he played for a small market most of his career and came short of 300 wins. The Basketball HOF is a joke for other reasons. That’s a case where too many people get in IMO. There’s a place for role players with solid careers, but when guys like Tim Hardaway and Chris Bosh get in for simply being buddies with the right guys, it gets a little over the top IMO.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 8, 2021 12:30:24 GMT -5
Vince only wants to put like one deceased person in a year since to him the WWE HOF is a show and it's all about making that money when fans were there. The past two HOF shows of course had to be different cause of the pandemic.
If Vader or Bigelow don't go in come the normal ceremony, their names will be a part of that other thing they do now at the HOF. Putting in old deceased wrestlers into a separate wing I suppose it would be. Either way, I am sure their names will be in the WWE HOF one way or another.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 8, 2021 13:17:50 GMT -5
I feel like there may have been some bad blood between Bam Bam and WWF/WWE. He left after less than a year with the company in 1988 after a Hogan friend mega push. I know he was injured but he could have returned and been over but he chose to go to JCP in late 1988.
Also he often spoke out against some of the most popular wrestlers with management, the kliq and he held strong to the narrative they derailed his push and that probably hurts him with management.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Aug 8, 2021 13:21:00 GMT -5
It’s horrible what MLB sports writers did to Ron Santo. Guy was campaigning for years, had the numbers to compete with any third baseman in the hall at that point, had fan backing, and was a model citizen with helping to promote the JDRF foundation…and the idiot writers waited until after his death to put him in because he refused to give someone an interview decades ago. Ron is a major sour point for me. I know family's are proud to go to the inductions but I feel like they should refuse. A guy like Ron waited so long and it was something that would mean a lot to him and of course they induct him after his passing. I guess board members felt bad but it's too little too late. And Ken Stabler was another one inducted after death. Buck O'Neil who was a major ambassador for MLB and the Negro Leauge's is another sad one. He was a board members of the baseball hall yet not included with the dozen or more Negro Leaguers inducted in 2006. He of course stayed positive but you could tell it hurt him. I think he even missed it by like one vote. Also including guys like Koko in the hall are reasons I do feel the hall is more legit than baseball or football. Not every guy is going to be main event level, not every buy is going to hit 500 home runs or have a large amount of touchdowns or a super bowl or wrestlemania moment. You have to look at the totality of a wrestlers career. There’s a fine line though between me saying I don’t think Koko is a hall of famer and I don’t think he shouldn’t be recognized in some capacity for his accomplishments. Hall of Famer to me DOES mean hitting 500 home runs and winning Super Bowls, those are indicators of greatness. That doesn’t mean people aren’t still accomplished and good at what they do, they just aren’t the best of the best. The WWE hall of fame is a tv show, like, the Great Khali just hasn’t done anything to be worthy of HOF status. Did he contribute? Sure…everybody does. Who SHOULDN’T be in the WWE Hall of Fame though? Like, is somebody like Marty Jannetty not a hall of Famer? HOF recognition is recognizing the greatest amongst the great, it shouldn’t just be in recognition of any old accomplishment, otherwise everybody should be in it. The Bushwackers aren’t hall of famere, the Road Warriors are, the Dudley Boys are. That doesn’t mean the Bushwackers didn’t make money and entertain people, they just didn’t do it on the level of a team like the Road Warriors…or with the longevity or the success. I’ll say this though, the WWE HOF is much more entertaining because it’s basically a history of pro wrestling, it’s a true stroll down memory lane. Credibility wise though, I feel like when it’s all said and done, everybody that’s ever wrestled will eventually be inducted in this thing.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 8, 2021 18:03:46 GMT -5
Even though I don't watch 1960s, 70s WWWF matches I do highly respect the history and I do feel like the first three full classes (1994-1996) represent guys who literally helped Vince J. make WWWF what it was and what it would become. Not all were high level in ring main event stars but what they mean to wrestling means just as much as a major star in other sports and that's why those guys were picked by Vince K. in the 1990s. No one will ever convince me that the baseball or football halls are any more legit than WWE. The writers and veterans committees make mistakes year after year whether it's inducting a guy who doesn't belong decades after their career because of public pressure or inducting a guy the year after he died or a guy while he is seriously ill and about to die but still alive. All the Halls are subjective in terms of what those in power and make the ultimate decisions believe. At least Vince is pretty good with inducting guys who are alive to enjoy it. A few, like Vader have slipped through the cracks unfortunately. The biggest difference between WWE and other sports is that fans don't understand (not saying anyone on this thread) that if they think the WWE hall is a joke, than the other sports are just as big or bigger joke.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Aug 8, 2021 18:21:50 GMT -5
Even though I don't watch 1960s, 70s WWWF matches I do highly respect the history and I do feel like the first three full classes (1994-1996) represent guys who literally helped Vince J. make WWWF what it was and what it would become. Not all were high level in ring main event stars but what they mean to wrestling means just as much as a major star in other sports and that's why those guys were picked by Vince K. in the 1990s. No one will ever convince me that the baseball or football halls are any more legit than WWE. The writers and veterans committees make mistakes year after year whether it's inducting a guy who doesn't belong decades after their career because of public pressure or inducting a guy the year after he died or a guy while he is seriously ill and about to die but still alive. All the Halls are subjective in terms of what those in power and make the ultimate decisions believe. At least Vince is pretty good with inducting guys who are alive to enjoy it. A few, like Vader have slipped through the cracks unfortunately. The biggest difference between WWE and other sports is that fans don't understand (not saying anyone on this thread) that if they think the WWE hall is a joke, than the other sports are just as big or bigger joke. Well, all of them are politically charged, I never debated that.
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Post by K5 on Aug 8, 2021 20:06:33 GMT -5
Vader not going in, when the company mistreated and mishandled him and he was facing a terminal illness, is disgraceful on wwe’s part.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Aug 8, 2021 21:55:36 GMT -5
Vader not going in, when the company mistreated and mishandled him and he was facing a terminal illness, is disgraceful on wwe’s part. Knowing WWE & Vince, that’s exactly why they didn’t put him in. They didn’t want to call attention to the fact that he was dying, I swear. That’s them to a T
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