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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 17, 2021 10:07:20 GMT -5
Considering how much people complained about this ring because "they didn't need another one" maybe another package with a ring isn't the best idea. Steve said that with future projects, only swappable parts of a ring will be included, and that the actual base will be available separately. Like...swappable parts for the UE New Gen ring that just got funded? That's going to kinda tighten the market on who'd want to pony up for it. |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Aug 17, 2021 10:26:41 GMT -5
Steve said that with future projects, only swappable parts of a ring will be included, and that the actual base will be available separately. Like...swappable parts for the UE New Gen ring that just got funded? That's going to kinda tighten the market on who'd want to pony up for it. If I'm reading that guys post correctly he's saying they will start selling the UE ring by itself and then future crowd funding projects would be accessories for that base ring which if that's the case I will be a hair salty at. |
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 17, 2021 10:27:44 GMT -5
Steve said that with future projects, only swappable parts of a ring will be included, and that the actual base will be available separately. Like...swappable parts for the UE New Gen ring that just got funded? That's going to kinda tighten the market on who'd want to pony up for it. I think the thought process behind it is to offer two different options for supporting future projects that need a ring. Those who don't have the ring yet spend more and get a ring, those who don't want another ring can just back the hypothetical cage or whatever. Think of it as like a kickstarter where you can spend more and get more. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 17, 2021 11:02:57 GMT -5
Yikes. Both of those ideas sound like they would be really detrimental to future successes.
Mattel already had a hard enough time as is building the momentum needed to push this project into gear.
Selling the ring separately at a future date so as to leverage the crowdfunding avenue into an opportunity to sell add ons and accessories really diminishes the value of the just-funded project, and really calls future projects into question...why fund now when the product may be made available at a later date?
Fashioning it after the Kickstarter model of "spend more, get more" creates a tough sell when you've got to craft the tiers for maximum appeal.
Like, hypothetically, say project #2 is an Attitude Era set...we'll say ring + commentary area to keep it simple, and let's throw in a FTitL UE...say Jeff Jarrett.
So yeah, you can tier it so that $100 gets you the ring accoutrements, $150 throws in the commentary table + accessories, and $250 gets you the ring and everything beneath it.
The problem is the figure.
We've already seen how much the figures drive the push.
I don't see how you can offer any sort of desirable figure, and tier it beneath the tier of "also you need a ring to make all this other stuff matter", and expect to sell when we've demonstrated that the ring drives the budget but the figures more apparently drove the funding.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Aug 17, 2021 14:56:05 GMT -5
Yikes. Both of those ideas sound like they would be really detrimental to future successes. Mattel already had a hard enough time as is building the momentum needed to push this project into gear. Selling the ring separately at a future date so as to leverage the crowdfunding avenue into an opportunity to sell add ons and accessories really diminishes the value of the just-funded project, and really calls future projects into question...why fund now when the product may be made available at a later date? Fashioning it after the Kickstarter model of "spend more, get more" creates a tough sell when you've got to craft the tiers for maximum appeal. Like, hypothetically, say project #2 is an Attitude Era set...we'll say ring + commentary area to keep it simple, and let's throw in a FTitL UE...say Jeff Jarrett. So yeah, you can tier it so that $100 gets you the ring accoutrements, $150 throws in the commentary table + accessories, and $250 gets you the ring and everything beneath it. The problem is the figure. We've already seen how much the figures drive the push.
I don't see how you can offer any sort of desirable figure, and tier it beneath the tier of "also you need a ring to make all this other stuff matter", and expect to sell when we've demonstrated that the ring drives the budget but the figures more apparently drove the funding.
I think your last statement also calls into question future projects. Because if the one thing that drives a crowdfunded project's success is the one thing you don't need to crowdfund, we're in a weird place for WWE on this platform. Obviously everyone has their own preferences for future projects, but I'm not sure you can really get away with selling a giant ring again. Maybe they could get away with a ringless offering like an elaborate, popular entrance (Smackdown fist seems to be popular here) on its own or coupled with a backstage area. But I'm curious if they can make this more than a one-time thing.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 17, 2021 15:04:54 GMT -5
Yikes. Both of those ideas sound like they would be really detrimental to future successes. Mattel already had a hard enough time as is building the momentum needed to push this project into gear. Selling the ring separately at a future date so as to leverage the crowdfunding avenue into an opportunity to sell add ons and accessories really diminishes the value of the just-funded project, and really calls future projects into question...why fund now when the product may be made available at a later date? Fashioning it after the Kickstarter model of "spend more, get more" creates a tough sell when you've got to craft the tiers for maximum appeal. Like, hypothetically, say project #2 is an Attitude Era set...we'll say ring + commentary area to keep it simple, and let's throw in a FTitL UE...say Jeff Jarrett. So yeah, you can tier it so that $100 gets you the ring accoutrements, $150 throws in the commentary table + accessories, and $250 gets you the ring and everything beneath it. The problem is the figure. We've already seen how much the figures drive the push.
I don't see how you can offer any sort of desirable figure, and tier it beneath the tier of "also you need a ring to make all this other stuff matter", and expect to sell when we've demonstrated that the ring drives the budget but the figures more apparently drove the funding.I think your last statement also calls into question future projects. Because if the one thing that drives a crowdfunded project's success is the one thing you don't need to crowdfund, we're in a weird place for WWE on this platform. Obviously everyone has their own preferences for future projects, but I'm not sure you can really get away with selling a giant ring again. Maybe they could get away with a ringless offering like an elaborate, popular entrance (Smackdown fist seems to be popular here) on its own or coupled with a backstage area. But I'm curious if they can make this more than a one-time thing.
I'm interested to see which direction they go in next if they choose to go for a follow-up. The WWE really is a unique product where the things you could feasibly get away with asking for such a large sum of money for upfront are far, few between, and somewhat limited in appeal (though everyone's mileage may vary). There's breathing room for properties like Star Wars or Marvel, but WWE doesn't have massive sail barges or interstellar devourers of worlds. The stages make sense, but then they're a bit lacking without the ring. The ring exists, but it's got a blue frame, which is going to detract from its flexibility. I'm eager to be surprised, though. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Aug 17, 2021 19:04:18 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been suggested, but what about a Lex Express?
The minimum tier to fund would include the bus and a SummerSlam 1993 Lex (a removable pair of USA Zubaz would be appreciated) with the stretch goal being manager Fuji or possibly Cornette and a set of SummerSlam ring skirts.
If the super stretch goal was a UE Ludvig Borga I'll let it be known now I'm grabbing at least a dozen. How about a denim-clad Aaron Neville?
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Post by casanova on Aug 18, 2021 3:30:12 GMT -5
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 18, 2021 3:54:14 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been suggested, but what about a Lex Express? The minimum tier to fund would include the bus and a SummerSlam 1993 Lex (a removable pair of USA Zubaz would be appreciated) with the stretch goal being manager Fuji or possibly Cornette and a set of SummerSlam ring skirts. If the super stretch goal was a UE Ludvig Borga I'll let it be known now I'm grabbing at least a dozen. How about a denim-clad Aaron Neville? That would be great! Since Fuji and Cornette aren't under deals, I'd say an Ultimate Yoko could be a stretch goal. The other could be a number of different guys...Undertaker from SVS '93, Bret from Rumble '94, Mr. Perfect (with removable referee outfit) from WM X, Tatanka from Summerslam '94, Davey Boy Smith from '95, etc. |
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Post by dg95 on Aug 18, 2021 4:37:57 GMT -5
Id want an Ultimate collection of Hulk Hogan's.
Every distinctive attire (WWE,WWF,NJPW,AWA,WCW) along with each title his won especially big green.
Not sure on tier ideas ill leave that to the professionals.
Ultimania Brother!
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 18, 2021 4:44:08 GMT -5
Considering how much people complained about this ring because "they didn't need another one" maybe another package with a ring isn't the best idea. Steve said that with future projects, only swappable parts of a ring will be included, and that the actual base will be available separately. He did not say that. He said they don’t want to include a rimg with every campaign and then speculated about doing something like including different colored posts snd ropes snd the like. He didn’t say they were goimg to do that. He was spitballing possibilities. |
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 18, 2021 4:47:11 GMT -5
Havent we already seen at least parts of the next crowd funding project? What do you mean? |
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 18, 2021 5:49:28 GMT -5
Steve said that with future projects, only swappable parts of a ring will be included, and that the actual base will be available separately. He did not say that. He said they don’t want to include a rimg with every campaign and then speculated about doing something like including different colored posts snd ropes snd the like. He didn’t say they were goimg to do that. He was spitballing possibilities. Yes of course he's not totally sure what they'll do...I didn't mean to say he was. But that was the direction he was thinking they would go in for future projects. |
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Post by originaloutsider on Aug 18, 2021 7:18:56 GMT -5
Honestly, if they do it again then please no more playsets! lol
UE 4PK. I believe a majority would be willing to pay a price point of 250 if it was legends with unique attires with multiple accessories.
I'm bummed I had to cancel my order but if I wasn't going to display the ring, the what's the point?
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Post by casanova on Aug 18, 2021 8:57:14 GMT -5
Havent we already seen at least parts of the next crowd funding project? What do you mean? The crowd backdrop |
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Post by guster on Aug 18, 2021 9:03:35 GMT -5
Summerslam 1988 Ultimate 6-pack.
Hogan, Macho, Liz (I know they already made the Elite), Andre, DiBiase, Virgil. I'm pretty sure all 6 have some kind of deal with WWE presently.
If they could somehow get Ventura, you could even make it a giant 7-pack with really cool packaging.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 18, 2021 9:16:16 GMT -5
Summerslam 1988 Ultimate 6-pack. Hogan, Macho, Liz (I know they already made the Elite), Andre, DiBiase, Virgil. I'm pretty sure all 6 have some kind of deal with WWE presently. If they could somehow get Ventura, you could even make it a giant 7-pack with really cool packaging. Themed Ultimate packs would be really appealing to me. Jack up the price per figure (say a base tier of 4 for $200), throw in a couple of figures and accessories above for stretch goals, and base it all around some notable PPVs and/or events. I'd also pay money yesterday for a Lechmere Canal playset with an Ultimate Edition soaking wet Vince McMahon and Steve Austin in his New England Patriots 3:16 jersey.  |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 18, 2021 16:31:00 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been suggested, but what about a Lex Express? The minimum tier to fund would include the bus and a SummerSlam 1993 Lex (a removable pair of USA Zubaz would be appreciated) with the stretch goal being manager Fuji or possibly Cornette and a set of SummerSlam ring skirts. If the super stretch goal was a UE Ludvig Borga I'll let it be known now I'm grabbing at least a dozen. How about a denim-clad Aaron Neville? Maybe they should do a 1:10 scale USS Intrepid with Yokozuna. Stretch goal would be Lex Luger in T-shirt and jeans and Master Fuji.  |
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Post by cableV on Aug 18, 2021 17:41:14 GMT -5
Here's a link to the podcast interview Steve did after the Arena hit it's target. Instead of reading out of context or misleading blurbs about the New Gen project and possible future plans, just listen to the actual interview (44 minutes) podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fig-cave/id1546574494 |
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I dont know good luck 
