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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 4, 2021 17:52:20 GMT -5
CM Punk has been out of the game for 7 years and is 43 years old. He doesn't exactly have the time to waste to wrestle 3 times a year, nor does he WANT to be a "Brock Lesnar" type attraction. CM Punk wants to wrestle. He wants to have great matches, and he wants to give back to the business and help out younger talent. And AEW has stayed away from that "attraction" type strategy that WWE uses, and I think it has served AEW well. AEW has a much more well rounded roster where almost EVERYONE can can be taken seriously or jump into a major feud at any time without having to have a significant amount of build up and story telling. WWE, on the other hand, has like 3 guys on their roster that they book around, and then an entire roster full of wrestlers who never get any attention. That's why WWE constantly has to keep going back to guys like Cena, Lesnar, and GOLDBERG of all people in 2021 almost 2022. Because WWE has no potential "dream matches" on their roster. They've done the same matches between the same people over and over and over and over to death. Lesnar vs Lashley is basically the only BIG match they could do, but they seem to be doing everything they can to avoid it,....and probably the inevitable Rock coming back to put over Reigns. AEW has like dozens of dream matches and first time matchups that we've never seen. I think their strategy is much more entertaining than WWE's where the entire company revolves around 3-4 guys constantly. AEW is also still new. They don't have 60 years of brand recognition built up, so they also are more inclined to either want to or HAVE to give a little bit more away on free tv in order to draw in new fans. People who haven't seen AEW yet and who maybe don't know who Omega, Darby, the Bucks, Sammy.....if they see a commercial that Punk, Danielson, Sting, etc are wrestling on Dynamite/Rampage....they've got a higher probability that those first time/causal fans will tune in for free. You can't really be like "hey, you don't know what AEW is, but please buy our PPV bc Punk"....you gotta showcase first. True but if Punk wants to wrestle his matches should mean something, Exhibition matches against the likes of Sydal mean absolutely nothing. You can't sign Punk and make him an exhibition guy who fights random names picked out of a hat. I understand that AEW is still finding it's feet, but this is CM Punk and he should feel like a star. Put him in feuds that will result in big money matches that will draw in fans.
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Post by bWo on Nov 4, 2021 18:23:29 GMT -5
I like it in theory. But not in practice. Its especially harder to swallow watching Punk struggle against low-mid carders, when guys like Edge/Christian have returned from much longer hiatuses and they are in the best shape of their lives and wrestling at a level maybe even better than they were before they left. The buildup to Darby/Punk was good. And Punk made Darby for sure, just on the mic. but that was the problem. They didn't even need to have the match. The job was done before they even got in the ring. And since that match both are in a worse position than they were beforehand. AEW hasn't capitalized on any juice they had from that match. And since then Punk has done nothing to raise his opponents. None of them are in a better spot for having gotten the rub from Punk. Eddie might get something. Since he's also coming off the Daniel Bryan rub. And he's a veteran who's a little smarter to the business. But so far the Punk thing is a huge win for ppl that just wanted some throwaway matches against ppl you never thought you would see him face. And a big L for Punks return being a big deal. in WWE Punk would be feuding with Roman Reigns. Or Seth Rollins.he wouldn't be having weekly matches vs. Lince Dorado and Riddick Moss. He would be back to being a megastar. Of course i realize this is what Punk most likely wants or is happy with at the moment. It just sucks when you know in the other company he could be facing Brock Lesnar in main events right now if he wanted. AEW is a new company who has invested plenty of time in their wrestlers. CM Punk doesn't have to show up and kick all that work to the curb, and I don't think he'd want to. He hated HHH for the way he politic'd his way through people. Why would Punk want to show up in AEW and use his status to push everyone out of his way? That would be him behaving like HHH. I don't think he'd walk in and crap on the locker room like that. He'll get his chance, and it will be huge when he does. Adam Page - Kenny Omega has been hovering around for over a year. That match is a bigger deal than having Punk walk in and challenge/beat Omega for no reason other than he's CM Punk. His time is in the cards. There's no need to rush anything.
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 4, 2021 18:35:51 GMT -5
CM Punk is mainly just practicing and working with the young guys first instead of jumping straight to the main event scene, something that WWE usually always does when they bring someone back. Plus he's been out for a long time, so he's gotta take off the ring rust first.
I say in a few months he'll have a major feud with someone in AEW.
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Post by bWo on Nov 4, 2021 18:42:37 GMT -5
CM Punk has been out of the game for 7 years and is 43 years old. He doesn't exactly have the time to waste to wrestle 3 times a year, nor does he WANT to be a "Brock Lesnar" type attraction. CM Punk wants to wrestle. He wants to have great matches, and he wants to give back to the business and help out younger talent. And AEW has stayed away from that "attraction" type strategy that WWE uses, and I think it has served AEW well. AEW has a much more well rounded roster where almost EVERYONE can can be taken seriously or jump into a major feud at any time without having to have a significant amount of build up and story telling. WWE, on the other hand, has like 3 guys on their roster that they book around, and then an entire roster full of wrestlers who never get any attention. That's why WWE constantly has to keep going back to guys like Cena, Lesnar, and GOLDBERG of all people in 2021 almost 2022. Because WWE has no potential "dream matches" on their roster. They've done the same matches between the same people over and over and over and over to death. Lesnar vs Lashley is basically the only BIG match they could do, but they seem to be doing everything they can to avoid it,....and probably the inevitable Rock coming back to put over Reigns. AEW has like dozens of dream matches and first time matchups that we've never seen. I think their strategy is much more entertaining than WWE's where the entire company revolves around 3-4 guys constantly. AEW is also still new. They don't have 60 years of brand recognition built up, so they also are more inclined to either want to or HAVE to give a little bit more away on free tv in order to draw in new fans. People who haven't seen AEW yet and who maybe don't know who Omega, Darby, the Bucks, Sammy.....if they see a commercial that Punk, Danielson, Sting, etc are wrestling on Dynamite/Rampage....they've got a higher probability that those first time/causal fans will tune in for free. You can't really be like "hey, you don't know what AEW is, but please buy our PPV bc Punk"....you gotta showcase first. True but if Punk wants to wrestle his matches should mean something, Exhibition matches against the likes of Sydal mean absolutely nothing. You can't sign Punk and make him an exhibition guy who fights random names picked out of a hat. I understand that AEW is still finding it's feet, but this is CM Punk and he should feel like a star. Put him in feuds that will result in big money matches that will draw in fans. I'd like to see him take on some better opponents, or at the very least not have to take as long as he does to be the guys he does wrestle. I don't think he'll ever look weak though. If they gave him a match against Omega next Wednesday you would 100% know he's capable of winning. Alternatively, if Omega was taking on Shawn Spears in a title match next week you'd know Spears is losing. Punk has that shine and I don't think he'll lose it. I think he's just getting back into the swing if things. His timing isn't 100%. He's not in the shape he can/will be in. I think he'd rather be there when he has those big money matches. It'll happen in time. He's 43, but I doubt there's much of a difference in a 43 year old CM Punk and a 44 or 45 year Old CM Punk.
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Post by bWo on Nov 4, 2021 18:43:48 GMT -5
CM Punk is mainly just practicing and working with the young guys first instead of jumping straight to the main event scene, something that WWE usually always does when they bring someone back. Plus he's been out for a long time, so he's gotta take off the ring rust first. I say in a few months he'll have a major feud with someone in AEW. Yessir.
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Post by Evil Abed on Nov 4, 2021 20:19:43 GMT -5
Selfishly I'd love to see a heel turn. Heel Punk is the best version of himself.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Nov 5, 2021 11:10:59 GMT -5
I'm SORRY but the CM Punk I KNOW has long hair and makes fans talk into invisible microphones.
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Post by kinnikuman on Nov 5, 2021 12:53:04 GMT -5
Other than saying well wishes to Mox, his "don't interrupt me" BS in concerns to Eddie might be the start of heel Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 13:08:25 GMT -5
Other than saying well wishes to Mox, his "don't interrupt me" BS in concerns to Eddie might be the start of heel Punk. Eddie is turning if anyone. He declined to shake Bryan’s hand and acted like an ass towards Punk for no reason
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Post by K5 on Nov 5, 2021 13:46:44 GMT -5
turning punk this early would not work. people want to cheer him still, his return tour hasn’t wrapped up yet.
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Post by Angusdacat on Nov 6, 2021 4:01:54 GMT -5
A feud with Eddie Kingston: $$$$ A rushed feud with Kingston over an apology: $
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 8:13:00 GMT -5
No. No it hasn't.
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Post by kinnikuman on Nov 6, 2021 10:14:24 GMT -5
He and Eddie were great last night. Eddie came off as more of the face.
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Post by Crane on Nov 9, 2021 4:06:07 GMT -5
Quick side note: just rewatched his return and I still get goosebumps. Being able to see his return match in person at All Out is a moment that will live with me forever. I've never understood when commentators say you can feel the electricity in an arena, but that night made be understand.
Back to the subject, I feel like it's been ok so far. I wish he did wrestle more sporadically, because if he's used every single week, that aforementioned electricity will eventually fade out, but his opponents I have absolutely no problems with so far. I've personally enjoyed every match so far. That being said, this Eddie Kingston feud is incredible so far, being that there's only like 2 weeks to build it.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Nov 30, 2021 15:21:33 GMT -5
I don’t mean this as a knock but I truly believe some fans have lost the ability to watch something unfold over time. I just think it’s been so long that wrestling has had long term booking that a lot of you guys just don’t understand it or don’t want to wait. It’s so much easier with the network to watch great moments and angles that are deemed from the start, “greatness”. We know how it all plays out from the start so we can go back and appreciate the little things.
With Punk, we’re experiencing the build up right now. IMO, the story he’s telling is one about him coming in and saying oh yay this is great, this is fun, and little by little it’s becoming less fun. He’s gonna eventually get pushed to the point where he’s gonna be forced to be CM Punk again, not this happy to be here guy he’s been. There’s a story being told, we just don’t know the outcome yet but watching AEW play out feels very much how watching 90’s wrestling was. I didn’t tune into WWF in ‘99 and just think, “here comes another great show!” It just was what it was, it was entertaining week to week….but at THAT time I was also watching WCW for the guys that I deemed the true stars. Hogan, Savage, etc.
Honestly it was years later that you realize in comparison just how great it was at the time but in the moment it’s just new. Point is, let the stuff play out. Wrestling is always being compared to what came before and it’s NEVER as good in the moment. As long as it has your interest, it’s doing its job. But if you think CM Punk won’t be contending for the title in AEW and he’s only here to put matches together with young guys, I think you’re not paying attention to what’s in front of you. Punk is purposefully sitting over at the kids table keeping the expectations of him to a minimum. But the big boys are knocking and they’re gonna want to spoil his fun. That’s a piece of the story they’re telling IMO.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Dec 2, 2021 11:59:27 GMT -5
Punk's first loss needs to be to MJF.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 2, 2021 16:39:09 GMT -5
Punk's first loss needs to be to MJF. I think it’s a certainty, or MJF will cost him a match but I think MJF will beat him with shenanigans for sure.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 3, 2021 23:09:40 GMT -5
I feel like they're finally going in a direction with Punk but I still dont feel like he's as big of a star as people (and AEW) liked to think he was...at least not after sitting out for 7 years.
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Post by Valbroski on Dec 4, 2021 0:45:20 GMT -5
Punk's first loss needs to be to MJF. I wouldn't be mad at this.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 4, 2021 9:05:09 GMT -5
If Punk doesn’t lose to MJF than that will be his unofficial Wfigs heel turn. Bust out the golden shovel 😆
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