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Post by CM Poor on Nov 7, 2021 10:22:48 GMT -5
If a guy needs a belt to have a meaningful run, he might not be that good.
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Post by McBlake on Nov 7, 2021 10:56:10 GMT -5
His friend Mark will be mad at him if he admits it though. More people watch WWE than all other televised wrestling combined, I would expect. WWE does about 3.5 million a week. AEW does about 1.3 million a week. I don’t think ROH did anything significant to bridge that gap, and anything else would just be little local or obscure channels? And those are just the Nielsen numbers, which are speculative at best. In terms of YouTube, WWE’s channel is a juggernaut compared to anything else in wrestling. Do you REALLY want to equate ratings with quality? Might want to see which shows the majority of the US watches lol. You asked if anyone actually watches WWE. He answered your question.
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Post by ICW on Nov 7, 2021 12:29:58 GMT -5
I don’t have a clue how anyone watches or supports their product anymore.
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Post by kinnikuman on Nov 7, 2021 12:39:02 GMT -5
Do you REALLY want to equate ratings with quality? Might want to see which shows the majority of the US watches lol. You asked if anyone actually watches WWE. He answered your question. It wasn't a serious question to begin with though.
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Post by berealnicknaro on Nov 7, 2021 13:14:43 GMT -5
I find this kinda thing funny. Not because I like the current product (I couldn't watch it if I was paid). But this feeling a lot of modern fans have that these no names deserved world title runs. Back in the day you had such stacked rosters that guys like Piper, Jake, Owen, Rude, Shamrock etc didn't get to go down as champs. Nowadays it's hotpotatoed so much that to not win the title is seen as some kind of insult. This. Kayfabe wise, I take guys like Piper, Owen, Rude, Shamrock, etc…more seriously than guys who have won world titles in the past decade. Guys like Swagger, Miz, ADR, and Kofi (I know this one will get hate) have helped to devalue world titles in the WWE (in additional to crap booking. At best, those guys were midcarders and booked like so for years before literally getting the world title out of nowhere (no big wins, no long-building story to get them to the top). Hell, I’ll even say Big E is in the same boat after being a solid midcarder for years and then hot shoted to the world title after simply winning a briefcase (yet couldn’t beat Apollo of all people just months earlier). I haven’t been watching Raw or SD for years, but of the guys released, I don’t see any as long term or legit main eventers. Guys like Kross and Lee would have simply devalued the world titles even more in my eyes like the ones I listed above. Not everyone needs to win a world title, and it’s not an insult if you don’t. If you haven’t been watching either show for years, how can you say whether or not those guys were got shotted to the title out of no where?
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Post by k5 on Nov 7, 2021 13:32:04 GMT -5
This. Kayfabe wise, I take guys like Piper, Owen, Rude, Shamrock, etc…more seriously than guys who have won world titles in the past decade. Guys like Swagger, Miz, ADR, and Kofi (I know this one will get hate) have helped to devalue world titles in the WWE (in additional to crap booking. At best, those guys were midcarders and booked like so for years before literally getting the world title out of nowhere (no big wins, no long-building story to get them to the top). Hell, I’ll even say Big E is in the same boat after being a solid midcarder for years and then hot shoted to the world title after simply winning a briefcase (yet couldn’t beat Apollo of all people just months earlier). I haven’t been watching Raw or SD for years, but of the guys released, I don’t see any as long term or legit main eventers. Guys like Kross and Lee would have simply devalued the world titles even more in my eyes like the ones I listed above. Not everyone needs to win a world title, and it’s not an insult if you don’t. If you haven’t been watching either show for years, how can you say whether or not those guys were got shotted to the title out of no where? if you’re a wrestling fan, there’s plenty of water cooler talk to go around
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 7, 2021 14:37:55 GMT -5
This. Kayfabe wise, I take guys like Piper, Owen, Rude, Shamrock, etc…more seriously than guys who have won world titles in the past decade. Guys like Swagger, Miz, ADR, and Kofi (I know this one will get hate) have helped to devalue world titles in the WWE (in additional to crap booking. At best, those guys were midcarders and booked like so for years before literally getting the world title out of nowhere (no big wins, no long-building story to get them to the top). Hell, I’ll even say Big E is in the same boat after being a solid midcarder for years and then hot shoted to the world title after simply winning a briefcase (yet couldn’t beat Apollo of all people just months earlier). I haven’t been watching Raw or SD for years, but of the guys released, I don’t see any as long term or legit main eventers. Guys like Kross and Lee would have simply devalued the world titles even more in my eyes like the ones I listed above. Not everyone needs to win a world title, and it’s not an insult if you don’t. If you haven’t been watching either show for years, how can you say whether or not those guys were got shotted to the title out of no where? I said Raw and SD…never said I didn’t watch NXT… Reading recaps is a thing too.
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Post by LA Times on Nov 7, 2021 14:55:41 GMT -5
I find this kinda thing funny. Not because I like the current product (I couldn't watch it if I was paid). But this feeling a lot of modern fans have that these no names deserved world title runs. Back in the day you had such stacked rosters that guys like Piper, Jake, Owen, Rude, Shamrock etc didn't get to go down as champs. Nowadays it's hotpotatoed so much that to not win the title is seen as some kind of insult. This. Kayfabe wise, I take guys like Piper, Owen, Rude, Shamrock, etc…more seriously than guys who have won world titles in the past decade. Guys like Swagger, Miz, ADR, and Kofi (I know this one will get hate) have helped to devalue world titles in the WWE (in additional to crap booking. At best, those guys were midcarders and booked like so for years before literally getting the world title out of nowhere (no big wins, no long-building story to get them to the top). Hell, I’ll even say Big E is in the same boat after being a solid midcarder for years and then hot shoted to the world title after simply winning a briefcase (yet couldn’t beat Apollo of all people just months earlier). I haven’t been watching Raw or SD for years, but of the guys released, I don’t see any as long term or legit main eventers. Guys like Kross and Lee would have simply devalued the world titles even more in my eyes like the ones I listed above. Not everyone needs to win a world title, and it’s not an insult if you don’t. Winning the Royal Rumble and the world championship match at Wrestlemania was the best method of creating new stars, but since 2010 the company has been putting on these comedy Rumbles (2011, 2012, 2019) or ones where they pretty much tell the audience "We know who's going to win, you know who's going to win and we dont care whether you like it or not!" (2014, 2015, 2016) that gets nobody over. Now you have midcarders cashing in a briefcase, weaseling their way into a championship or guys like Jinder Mahal going from a total jobber getting punked by Rob Gronkowski to winning a world title in a month and a half.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 7, 2021 16:23:08 GMT -5
I just want everyone to know, that I too am officially done with watching WCW!
They haven't had a TV show since March 2001! I keep tuning into TNT every Monday at 8 pm for the past 20 years now and nothing appears. Tony Schiavone said it was their season finale in March of 2001, not series finale!
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 7, 2021 17:12:48 GMT -5
This. Kayfabe wise, I take guys like Piper, Owen, Rude, Shamrock, etc…more seriously than guys who have won world titles in the past decade. Guys like Swagger, Miz, ADR, and Kofi (I know this one will get hate) have helped to devalue world titles in the WWE (in additional to crap booking. At best, those guys were midcarders and booked like so for years before literally getting the world title out of nowhere (no big wins, no long-building story to get them to the top). Hell, I’ll even say Big E is in the same boat after being a solid midcarder for years and then hot shoted to the world title after simply winning a briefcase (yet couldn’t beat Apollo of all people just months earlier). I haven’t been watching Raw or SD for years, but of the guys released, I don’t see any as long term or legit main eventers. Guys like Kross and Lee would have simply devalued the world titles even more in my eyes like the ones I listed above. Not everyone needs to win a world title, and it’s not an insult if you don’t. Winning the Royal Rumble and the world championship match at Wrestlemania was the best method of creating new stars, but since 2010 the company has been putting on these comedy Rumbles (2011, 2012, 2019) or ones where they pretty much tell the audience "We know who's going to win, you know who's going to win and we dont care whether you like it or not!" (2014, 2015, 2016) that gets nobody over. Now you have midcarders cashing in a briefcase, weaseling their way into a championship or guys like Jinder Mahal going from a total jobber getting punked by Rob Gronkowski to winning a world title in a month and a half. Mahal is the biggest example of WWE’s poor planning/booking and hotshoting someone to the main event. Guy was a jobber for YEARS, yet in one month went from a joke for Rob Gronkowski at WM to the WWE Champion. And we even have people to this day defending that reign with crap like “the WWE finally pushes someone new, and you’re still not happy.” Well no, I prefer storytelling and stars rising through the card. Not legit jobbers getting handed the world title of the company. It can work sometimes. Sheamus debuted on ECW, dominated for a few months there, moved to Raw, and dominated there before becoming WWE Champ. There wasn’t a period of years where he was booked as a midcarder or jobber to the stars (like say a Kofi, Jinder, Miz, Big E, ect…). He was presented as a dominant star from the get-go.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 7, 2021 22:36:30 GMT -5
If you haven’t been watching either show for years, how can you say whether or not those guys were got shotted to the title out of no where? Same way we all know Vince without meeting him - we just blindly absorb all the hot takes from “journalists” who hate WWE. Vince really needs to start listening to fans of F4W recaps and Sean Ross Sapp if he wants to learn how to improve his show.
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Post by personagamer on Nov 8, 2021 14:09:25 GMT -5
Winning the Royal Rumble and the world championship match at Wrestlemania was the best method of creating new stars, but since 2010 the company has been putting on these comedy Rumbles (2011, 2012, 2019) or ones where they pretty much tell the audience "We know who's going to win, you know who's going to win and we dont care whether you like it or not!" (2014, 2015, 2016) that gets nobody over. Now you have midcarders cashing in a briefcase, weaseling their way into a championship or guys like Jinder Mahal going from a total jobber getting punked by Rob Gronkowski to winning a world title in a month and a half. Mahal is the biggest example of WWE’s poor planning/booking and hotshoting someone to the main event. Guy was a jobber for YEARS, yet in one month went from a joke for Rob Gronkowski at WM to the WWE Champion. And we even have people to this day defending that reign with crap like “the WWE finally pushes someone new, and you’re still not happy.” Well no, I prefer storytelling and stars rising through the card. Not legit jobbers getting handed the world title of the company. It can work sometimes. Sheamus debuted on ECW, dominated for a few months there, moved to Raw, and dominated there before becoming WWE Champ. There wasn’t a period of years where he was booked as a midcarder or jobber to the stars (like say a Kofi, Jinder, Miz, Big E, ect…). He was presented as a dominant star from the get-go. plus what has Jinder done since losing the champion he went back to job status
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Post by Nick Papagiorgio on Nov 9, 2021 14:29:43 GMT -5
If you haven’t been watching either show for years, how can you say whether or not those guys were got shotted to the title out of no where? Same way we all know Vince without meeting him - we just blindly absorb all the hot takes from “journalists” who hate WWE. Vince really needs to start listening to fans of F4W recaps and Sean Ross Sapp if he wants to learn how to improve his show. Sean Ross Sapp is a snowflake, he blocks people with or without interaction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 11:05:48 GMT -5
If you haven’t been watching either show for years, how can you say whether or not those guys were got shotted to the title out of no where? Same way we all know Vince without meeting him - we just blindly absorb all the hot takes from “journalists” who hate WWE. Vince really needs to start listening to fans of F4W recaps and Sean Ross Sapp if he wants to learn how to improve his show. Listening to Sapp will really turn things around...
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Post by personagamer on Nov 10, 2021 21:19:42 GMT -5
Same way we all know Vince without meeting him - we just blindly absorb all the hot takes from “journalists” who hate WWE. Vince really needs to start listening to fans of F4W recaps and Sean Ross Sapp if he wants to learn how to improve his show. Listening to Sapp will really turn things around... thing is there really is no way to turn things around unless Vince and Prichard step down
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 10, 2021 22:32:06 GMT -5
Same way we all know Vince without meeting him - we just blindly absorb all the hot takes from “journalists” who hate WWE. Vince really needs to start listening to fans of F4W recaps and Sean Ross Sapp if he wants to learn how to improve his show. Sean Ross Sapp is a snowflake, he blocks people with or without interaction. Sapp visited a fairly popular wrestling figure store. I made a comment about I was still the #1 customer..He blocked me LOL
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Nov 13, 2021 6:24:21 GMT -5
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Nov 13, 2021 6:28:50 GMT -5
Nearly all of those releases will do better in other companies. WWE will be fine without em.
On that note WWE does have a lot of good talent right now and many potential big stars. The product overall is a lil meh and could be a lot better but give it til next year then it should get a lot better.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 13, 2021 10:22:29 GMT -5
“Devalue the world titles” like Andre didn’t win the WWF championship and then immediately try to sell it or Kane winning it and losing it within 24hours. Like Slaughter wasn’t hot shotted into the main event because the Iraqi war. Like Sheik wasn’t made champ because they needed to get the belt from Backlund to Hogan. Like Wrestlemania 9 didn’t happen.
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Post by fishhook36 on Nov 13, 2021 10:28:24 GMT -5
“Devalue the world titles” like Andre didn’t win the WWF championship and then immediately try to sell it or Kane winning it and losing it within 24hours. Like Slaughter wasn’t hot shotted into the main event because the Iraqi war. Like Sheik wasn’t made champ because they needed to get the belt from Backlund to Hogan. Like Wrestlemania 9 didn’t happen. Ok whatever you say E drone.
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