berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Nov 13, 2021 11:12:25 GMT -5
“Devalue the world titles” like Andre didn’t win the WWF championship and then immediately try to sell it or Kane winning it and losing it within 24hours. Like Slaughter wasn’t hot shotted into the main event because the Iraqi war. Like Sheik wasn’t made champ because they needed to get the belt from Backlund to Hogan. Like Wrestlemania 9 didn’t happen. Ok whatever you say E drone. He’s right though.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Nov 13, 2021 12:04:35 GMT -5
I will say the E could have at least used these guys in NXT again or at least as jobbers/ lower card / mid card guys. I’ve always been a fan of undercard storylines/segments which is why I still like the 24/7 Title.
Since the pandemic started I’ve seen a few decent talent released and it sucks but most of em are in other companies so it’s all good.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 13, 2021 12:07:41 GMT -5
“Devalue the world titles” like Andre didn’t win the WWF championship and then immediately try to sell it or Kane winning it and losing it within 24hours. Like Slaughter wasn’t hot shotted into the main event because the Iraqi war. Like Sheik wasn’t made champ because they needed to get the belt from Backlund to Hogan. Like Wrestlemania 9 didn’t happen. Ok whatever you say E drone. Must have a sad life to spend it non stop talking about something you don’t like and trying to get people to fight with you about it online. Stay mad cupcake.
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Post by ICW on Nov 13, 2021 12:10:30 GMT -5
“Devalue the world titles” like Andre didn’t win the WWF championship and then immediately try to sell it or Kane winning it and losing it within 24hours. Like Slaughter wasn’t hot shotted into the main event because the Iraqi war. Like Sheik wasn’t made champ because they needed to get the belt from Backlund to Hogan. Like Wrestlemania 9 didn’t happen. Ok whatever you say E drone. Amazing realization that WWE has kinda always sucked/Vince is a poor booker. Just because something happened in the past doesn’t justify the present, either. I find WWE diehards to be a frustrating bunch. It’s sincerely odd to me
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 13, 2021 13:03:02 GMT -5
Ok whatever you say E drone. Amazing realization that WWE has kinda always sucked/Vince is a poor booker. Just because something happened in the past doesn’t justify the present, either. I find WWE diehards to be a frustrating bunch. It’s sincerely odd to me Not a diehard, but I imagine it’s probably as odd as people who constantly talk about stuff they don’t like or even watch.
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Post by ICW on Nov 13, 2021 13:50:49 GMT -5
Amazing realization that WWE has kinda always sucked/Vince is a poor booker. Just because something happened in the past doesn’t justify the present, either. I find WWE diehards to be a frustrating bunch. It’s sincerely odd to me Not a diehard, but I imagine it’s probably as odd as people who constantly talk about stuff they don’t like or even watch. I think you have somewhat of a point but a lot of people listen to/read recaps of shows. It's not difficult to make the judgment that the product is complete crap based off recaps
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berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Nov 13, 2021 14:05:51 GMT -5
Not a diehard, but I imagine it’s probably as odd as people who constantly talk about stuff they don’t like or even watch. I think you have somewhat of a point but a lot of people listen to/read recaps of shows. It's not difficult to make the judgment that the product is complete crap based off recaps It’s not even close to the same though, the same way you won’t necessarily get A’s just by reading sparknotes of books. I like both WWE and AEW, but they both have their problems.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 13, 2021 14:06:40 GMT -5
Not a diehard, but I imagine it’s probably as odd as people who constantly talk about stuff they don’t like or even watch. I think you have somewhat of a point but a lot of people listen to/read recaps of shows. It's not difficult to make the judgment that the product is complete crap based off recaps But in instances like Kofi and Big E, where both were presented as strong champions, it might translate as well just reading recaps. Kofi was a great champion, until the unfortunate match with Brock. So I fail to see how he’d be an example of devaluing the championship. Especially given how the belt has been presented in the past. Which was my original point.
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Post by ICW on Nov 13, 2021 14:11:10 GMT -5
I think you have somewhat of a point but a lot of people listen to/read recaps of shows. It's not difficult to make the judgment that the product is complete crap based off recaps But in instances like Kofi and Big E, where both were presented as strong champions, it might translate as well just reading recaps. Kofi was a great champion, until the unfortunate match with Brock. So I fail to see how he’d be an example of devaluing the championship. Especially given how the belt has been presented in the past. Which was my original point. I'm in the camp that the WWE title is so meaningless that it doesn't really do much for me if someone has a strong run for it but I'm also just really detached from the product.
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Post by ICW on Nov 13, 2021 14:12:33 GMT -5
I think you have somewhat of a point but a lot of people listen to/read recaps of shows. It's not difficult to make the judgment that the product is complete crap based off recaps It’s not even close to the same though, the same way you won’t necessarily get A’s just by reading sparknotes of books. I like both WWE and AEW, but they both have their problems. I don't agree with this take in the slightest and it's one of my biggest pet peeves: the problems AEW may have are nowhere near the level of WWE's. I don't understand how anyone could watch both products and come away with, "Well, they both have their issues." They're not comparable in the slightest.
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Post by McBlake on Nov 13, 2021 14:13:00 GMT -5
😂 If you don't watch something your input means nothing.
I've never watched Game of Thrones because it doesn't seem like something I'd be into but I don't go about telling everyone how much it sucks because I listened to my mates discuss plot point.
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Post by k5 on Nov 13, 2021 14:18:39 GMT -5
I think you have somewhat of a point but a lot of people listen to/read recaps of shows. It's not difficult to make the judgment that the product is complete crap based off recaps It’s not even close to the same though, the same way you won’t necessarily get A’s just by reading sparknotes of books. I like both WWE and AEW, but they both have their problems. that is true. I feel the difference is that AEW listens and respects it’s audience and the industry enough to listen and change, while the WWE doubles down on stuff people just aren’t inclined towards, with their ‘we know better than the fans’ approach.
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Post by ICW on Nov 13, 2021 14:22:48 GMT -5
😂 If you don't watch something your input means nothing. I've never watched Game of Thrones because it doesn't seem like something I'd be into but I don't go about telling everyone how much it sucks because I listened to my mates discuss plot point. This isn't a 1:1 comparison. I would be into watching WWE programming because I absolutely love professional wrestling and they have one of the best rosters in their long history; however, they offer me next to nothing because their programming is bizarre, nonsensical, and they couldn't care less what their audience actually wants. I would watch their programming weekly if I consistently heard or read how great it is
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berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Nov 13, 2021 14:54:24 GMT -5
It’s not even close to the same though, the same way you won’t necessarily get A’s just by reading sparknotes of books. I like both WWE and AEW, but they both have their problems. I don't agree with this take in the slightest and it's one of my biggest pet peeves: the problems AEW may have are nowhere near the level of WWE's. I don't understand how anyone could watch both products and come away with, "Well, they both have their issues." They're not comparable in the slightest. They are, though. Again, I really like AEW, but apparently nobody on the booking team thinks to say “do we need several huge brawls and runs ins every week?” Its a lot. And they’re already suffering from the same problem of having really talented people, especially people who were there from the start, ending up buried on the youtube shows that hardly get watched. That problem is only going to get worse as people leave WWE and go to AEW. The thing I mostly want to stand up for in regards to WWE is the garbage argument that some people make about midcarders winning the WWE title. Everyone’s a midcarder until they’re not. And overall, all of the best champions through WWE’s history have been tag guys or mid card guys who broke into the main event scene through hard work or longevity. I can’t and won’t defend a lot of the garbage that they’ve done, whether booking or releases or whatever. They deserve that criticism. But sometimes they get it right and people still crap on it.
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Post by ICW on Nov 13, 2021 15:44:30 GMT -5
I don't agree with this take in the slightest and it's one of my biggest pet peeves: the problems AEW may have are nowhere near the level of WWE's. I don't understand how anyone could watch both products and come away with, "Well, they both have their issues." They're not comparable in the slightest. They are, though. Again, I really like AEW, but apparently nobody on the booking team thinks to say “do we need several huge brawls and runs ins every week?” Its a lot. And they’re already suffering from the same problem of having really talented people, especially people who were there from the start, ending up buried on the youtube shows that hardly get watched. That problem is only going to get worse as people leave WWE and go to AEW. The thing I mostly want to stand up for in regards to WWE is the garbage argument that some people make about midcarders winning the WWE title. Everyone’s a midcarder until they’re not. And overall, all of the best champions through WWE’s history have been tag guys or mid card guys who broke into the main event scene through hard work or longevity. I can’t and won’t defend a lot of the garbage that they’ve done, whether booking or releases or whatever. They deserve that criticism. But sometimes they get it right and people still crap on it. Yeah I just (respectfully) completely disagree with this --- and I want to be clear that I am not against AEW criticism, I am against the idea that their worse is on par with WWE's. It's not even in the same stratosphere as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Nov 13, 2021 18:42:50 GMT -5
I mean what does anyone watch for anymore? I’m personally not watching anything til the rumble, clinging foolishly to the thought they would dare put Jey Uso over Roman at Mania. There’s nothing else I give a crap about other than Jey getting his against bitch boy.
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Post by personagamer on Nov 13, 2021 21:49:41 GMT -5
I mean what does anyone watch for anymore? I’m personally not watching anything til the rumble, clinging foolishly to the thought they would dare put Jey Uso over Roman at Mania. There’s nothing else I give a crap about other than Jey getting his against bitch boy. I was considering going to Mania but planning on Double or Nothing instead
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Nov 14, 2021 4:25:09 GMT -5
They are, though. Again, I really like AEW, but apparently nobody on the booking team thinks to say “do we need several huge brawls and runs ins every week?” Its a lot. And they’re already suffering from the same problem of having really talented people, especially people who were there from the start, ending up buried on the youtube shows that hardly get watched. That problem is only going to get worse as people leave WWE and go to AEW. The thing I mostly want to stand up for in regards to WWE is the garbage argument that some people make about midcarders winning the WWE title. Everyone’s a midcarder until they’re not. And overall, all of the best champions through WWE’s history have been tag guys or mid card guys who broke into the main event scene through hard work or longevity. I can’t and won’t defend a lot of the garbage that they’ve done, whether booking or releases or whatever. They deserve that criticism. But sometimes they get it right and people still crap on it. Yeah I just (respectfully) completely disagree with this --- and I want to be clear that I am not against AEW criticism, I am against the idea that their worse is on par with WWE's. It's not even in the same stratosphere as far as I'm concerned. Herpes isn’t as bad as cancer but they’re both still an illness
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Post by k5 on Nov 14, 2021 11:07:51 GMT -5
Yeah I just (respectfully) completely disagree with this --- and I want to be clear that I am not against AEW criticism, I am against the idea that their worse is on par with WWE's. It's not even in the same stratosphere as far as I'm concerned. Herpes isn’t as bad as cancer but they’re both still an illness I think he was more comparing aew as a stubbed toe and wwe as full blown dementia, that sounds a bit more accurate
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 14, 2021 13:25:59 GMT -5
Yeah I just (respectfully) completely disagree with this --- and I want to be clear that I am not against AEW criticism, I am against the idea that their worse is on par with WWE's. It's not even in the same stratosphere as far as I'm concerned. Herpes isn’t as bad as cancer but they’re both still an illness I gave you that as a gift, System.
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