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Post by hulkjoegan on Dec 24, 2021 13:29:45 GMT -5
The 1990 Hasbro, I think catalog, has pictures of the 12 guys from Series 1-the prototypes but also has drawings of them with their actions. The action version of Dibiase is him doing the stomp feature so I think the green suit was first slated for series 1 but since he had been wearing the black for so long I think they scrapped the green suit and made the black suit and then just released green suit in series 2. A Dibiase would be a better seller than some of the guys mentioned, though they may have been cooler looking. The Bushwhackers in 1994 does not make a lot of sense. First, they were poor sellers in the tag set but also their outfits were tan on the figures while they normally wore light grey or black tops. I personally think maybe someone else was slated, perhaps Beverly Brothers (since they did the photo of them in late 1991) and singles Beverly's wouldn't make sense in the 1993 series. Even though there's always so much coming out about Hasbro WWF, there's still so much we will never know. That’s a really interesting point. As you say, the Beverly Brothers were obviously planned initially - and if they ended up being gone from the company before their figures were developed, it would make sense to just re-release a previous tag team as a straight swap for the two of them. And out of all the tag teams released, I guess the Bushwackers were the only ones still with the company. I’d love to know which parts they would’ve used for the Beverly Brothers. |
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Post by The Real Chillary on Dec 24, 2021 14:40:11 GMT -5
Ludvig Borga always seems like the most confusing addition.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 24, 2021 18:07:57 GMT -5
The 1990 Hasbro, I think catalog, has pictures of the 12 guys from Series 1-the prototypes but also has drawings of them with their actions. The action version of Dibiase is him doing the stomp feature so I think the green suit was first slated for series 1 but since he had been wearing the black for so long I think they scrapped the green suit and made the black suit and then just released green suit in series 2. A Dibiase would be a better seller than some of the guys mentioned, though they may have been cooler looking. The Bushwhackers in 1994 does not make a lot of sense. First, they were poor sellers in the tag set but also their outfits were tan on the figures while they normally wore light grey or black tops. I personally think maybe someone else was slated, perhaps Beverly Brothers (since they did the photo of them in late 1991) and singles Beverly's wouldn't make sense in the 1993 series. Even though there's always so much coming out about Hasbro WWF, there's still so much we will never know. True that they did normally wear black or gray, but in late 1993 thru 1995, they actually started wearing different attire that looked similar to their Hasbro figures. Since these figures came out in 1994, they probably made the quick paint change to match their new look. But you are right, them in 1994 was an odd choice. They were hardly on TV and not very popular anymore. I'm kind of surprised the Quebecers didn't get fast tracked for a figure during this time. Pretty much from there conception to the end of the first WWF run they were tag team champions.   Ludvig Borga always seems like the most confusing addition. He was given a huge push during this time. A lot of Vinettes and working in the main event with Luger. It's possible that he would have had a longer run on top, but he got injured early in 1994, before the Royal Rumble. |
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Post by mrh on Dec 24, 2021 22:32:10 GMT -5
Ludvig Borga always seems like the most confusing addition.
As someone else said, Borga got a huge push.
I loved the new Bushwackers, but would have liked new characters better for sure
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Post by mad2009 on Dec 25, 2021 2:56:46 GMT -5
The bushwhackers as individuals were also poor sellers. I forgot who said in a shoot interview that Shawn Michaels was always berating them calling them old & stuff.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 25, 2021 9:57:39 GMT -5
Ludvig Borga always seems like the most confusing addition.
As someone else said, Borga got a huge push.
I loved the new Bushwackers, but would have liked new characters better for sure
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 25, 2021 21:33:05 GMT -5
True that they did normally wear black or gray, but in late 1993 thru 1995, they actually started wearing different attire that looked similar to their Hasbro figures. Since these figures came out in 1994, they probably made the quick paint change to match their new look. But you are right, them in 1994 was an odd choice. They were hardly on TV and not very popular anymore. I'm kind of surprised the Quebecers didn't get fast tracked for a figure during this time. Pretty much from there conception to the end of the first WWF run they were tag team champions. I think it's a chicken or the egg thing with the 1994 Bushwhackers. I don't think they wore the tan outfits until after the figures had come out (August 1994 where I lived). They were shown at the Wrestlemania Fan Fest in late March so that was even longer of a time before they started with the tan "Hongi" look. Maybe someone in WWF told Hasbro there were new plans for them. I think the Quebeccers probably just missed the timeline to get a figure. The last series was based on guys just starting during summer 1993 (excluding the two repaints). The tag title match against the Steiner's is literally the first time I ever saw those guys. It is strange though, Men on a Mission, ring gear Diesel and Jeff Jarrett were planned over Jacques and Pierre. I think if figures of them were done Hasbro could have simply used the Mountie body, put different bare arms on each guys and added a head. It may look odd since Pierre was a bit heavier but Hasbro wouldn't have to do much work. |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 25, 2021 23:08:50 GMT -5
True that they did normally wear black or gray, but in late 1993 thru 1995, they actually started wearing different attire that looked similar to their Hasbro figures. Since these figures came out in 1994, they probably made the quick paint change to match their new look. But you are right, them in 1994 was an odd choice. They were hardly on TV and not very popular anymore. I'm kind of surprised the Quebecers didn't get fast tracked for a figure during this time. Pretty much from there conception to the end of the first WWF run they were tag team champions. I think it's a chicken or the egg thing with the 1994 Bushwhackers. I don't think they wore the tan outfits until after the figures had come out (August 1994 where I lived). They were shown at the Wrestlemania Fan Fest in late March so that was even longer of a time before they started with the tan "Hongi" look. Maybe someone in WWF told Hasbro there were new plans for them. I think the Quebeccers probably just missed the timeline to get a figure. The last series was based on guys just starting during summer 1993 (excluding the two repaints). The tag title match against the Steiner's is literally the first time I ever saw those guys. It is strange though, Men on a Mission, ring gear Diesel and Jeff Jarrett were planned over Jacques and Pierre. I think if figures of them were done Hasbro could have simply used the Mountie body, put different bare arms on each guys and added a head. It may look odd since Pierre was a bit heavier but Hasbro wouldn't have to do much work. That is possible, sometimes if the company knows that a change is coming (whether it be an attire change or something else), and there are promotional pictures they can use as a reference, then they would make the change to make sure the stuff released matched their most up-to-date look. If not that, then the reference photos that Hasbro used for these figures must have had a sepia tone effect added to them. Yeah, it is strange that Diesel (who really didn't get going until spring 1994) and Men on a Mission were figured into the unreleased Series 12 wave over the Quebecers. |
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Post by mrh on Dec 26, 2021 4:13:23 GMT -5
I think it's a chicken or the egg thing with the 1994 Bushwhackers. I don't think they wore the tan outfits until after the figures had come out (August 1994 where I lived). They were shown at the Wrestlemania Fan Fest in late March so that was even longer of a time before they started with the tan "Hongi" look. Maybe someone in WWF told Hasbro there were new plans for them. I think the Quebeccers probably just missed the timeline to get a figure. The last series was based on guys just starting during summer 1993 (excluding the two repaints). The tag title match against the Steiner's is literally the first time I ever saw those guys. It is strange though, Men on a Mission, ring gear Diesel and Jeff Jarrett were planned over Jacques and Pierre. I think if figures of them were done Hasbro could have simply used the Mountie body, put different bare arms on each guys and added a head. It may look odd since Pierre was a bit heavier but Hasbro wouldn't have to do much work. That is possible, sometimes if the company knows that a change is coming (whether it be an attire change or something else), and there are promotional pictures they can use as a reference, then they would make the change to make sure the stuff released matched their most up-to-date look. If not that, then the reference photos that Hasbro used for these figures must have had a sepia tone effect added to them. Yeah, it is strange that Diesel (who really didn't get going until spring 1994) and Men on a Mission were figured into the unreleased Series 12 wave over the Quebecers.
I think the answer is that Diesel and Men on a Mission were more toyetic -- especially since there had already been a Mountie...
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Post by cambo5678 on May 23, 2022 16:32:56 GMT -5
Never understood why we only had one Jake but 3 Beefcakes if you include the WM9 that wasn't released.
Also the lazy Macho Man 3. We needed Macho King in pants ('90, '91) or Macho Man in tights and top. ('92) w/o a jacket.
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Post by MKSavage on May 23, 2022 20:05:42 GMT -5
Never understood why we only had one Jake but 3 Beefcakes if you include the WM9 that wasn't released. Also the lazy Macho Man 3. We needed Macho King in pants ('90, '91) or Macho Man in tights and top. ('92) w/o a jacket. That is odd that Jake only got one figure. Especially when DiBiase got three as well. Jake was definitely one of the top stars in the company, it would have been great to get another one. I would have loved a heel Jake with a cobra accessory. I think the series 3 Macho Man was a quick replacement for someone in that series, but we definitely need a long tights Macho King. It still kind of amazes me that Skinner got a figure, he did get a quick push in late 1991, but it fizzled out. A heel Jake would have been great in series 5 with Hogan, Sid and Macho Man. |
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Post by mcfclee on May 23, 2022 21:52:39 GMT -5
The macho repaint and Tatanka lack of repaint are my biggest gripes.
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Post by walter7paisley on May 24, 2022 6:48:40 GMT -5
I think if Hasbro had gone into 1995 with the WWF license then we'd have seen some great ideas, if they were still committed, which I don't think they were.
There'd have been an interesting roster to choose from, with plenty of "toyetic" names, and still a good selection of solid main eventers to make new figures of, like Bret, Shawn, Taker, Bam Bam, Bulldog, etc.
They might have started to release packs of figures with accessories, playsets, or even a separate line of bigger figures, like the talking Warrior and Hogans.
They might have even taken a new shot at the figures, like we've seen with the Mattel retros, utilizing different types of action features.
Considering the early to mid 90s were full of toylines that would take advantage of things like playsets, it's strange that we didn't see more stuff like that from Hasbro, like a cage set or a Survivor Series set with multiple figures, a backstage area, Piper's Pit, Heartbreak Hotel, etc. They'd have had to keep the line fresh somehow.
The Bend EMS were such a strange bridge between Hasbro and Jakks, with 94 and 95 being a missed opportunity with regards to a toyline. All hypothesising, but interesting to think about.
I'd like to have seen Mattel approach the retro line as though they were picking up where Hasbro left off in 94, but that's obviously not what they wanted to do, and that's fair enough.
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