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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 6, 2022 5:06:19 GMT -5
I’ve heard that the Performance Center sucks and that NXT has been terrible since September 2019, so I’m not surprised they’re changing up Performance Center and NXT creative personnel.
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fishhook36
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Post by fishhook36 on Jan 6, 2022 7:26:45 GMT -5
NXT black and gold didn’t fail. They created at least a dozen ready made stars. The problem is Vince and his yes men haven’t evolved. and still think you need to look like a Hulk Hogan to be a star.
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Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jan 6, 2022 9:19:59 GMT -5
This was said MONTHS ago. How is this still a surprise to people? Vince wants NXT 2.0 to be a fresh developmental program. They don’t want a bunch independent talents that are well known. Regal hasn’t been used in months either. Most of you have zero understanding of how a company works and believe everything is vindictive. 🤣🤣 Regal has been scouting guys very recently. That was a big part of his job. He isn't just an on-screen character.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 6, 2022 9:37:56 GMT -5
War Games isn't gonna be the same without Regal😢
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Post by McBlake on Jan 6, 2022 9:41:58 GMT -5
War Games isn't gonna be the same without Regal😢 It already wasn't
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 6, 2022 11:49:00 GMT -5
You really wonder what Triple H must be thinking. For 2+ years, NXT was WWE's strongest brand. What Vince McMahon has intentionally and systematically done over the last year is absolutely kill everything that Triple H has done and bury and then fire every wrestler and backstage person that worked under Triple H (with the exception of Shawn Michaels as of today).
Vince McMahon has always been the type of person to prefer failing on his own ideas than to succeed with something that gives anyone else any credit. Vince McMahon bought WCW and ECW just to bury them. He formed the nWo just to bury it. He brought in Sting to embarrass him. How many top stars from other companies came in to WWF/E over the last 3 decades, just to end up ending their careers and leaving in disgrace? Vince McMahon can't handle a good idea if it's not his, and I think he's resentful of talent that is able to get over without the WWE machine. If you are big on the internet; big on the indies; big in another company...Vince just wants to ruin you because he can't comprehend anyone getting over without the "WWE machine".
I think Vince saw the success of NXT and how it was WWE's best brand, and Vince had nothing to do with that, and all everyone talked about online and in the wrestling community was how great Triple H was and people began to not only speculate, but LOOK FORWARD to a time when Triple H would take over the entire WWE and the great things Triple H could do to "save WWE" from what Vince McMahon was doing to ruin it....and I think that set off Vince McMahon and he basically got in the mindset of "oh they think NXT is so great and they think you're going to takeover my company from me? F*ck you, pal; I'm killing this thing because I CAN".
You wonder what this has done to the relationship between Triple H and Vince McMahon. I wonder if Triple H will ever speak about this. It's really crazy stuff when you think about it and dig into it.
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kinnikuman
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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 6, 2022 12:11:10 GMT -5
Vince has always wanted to shift professional wrestling into an avenue he thinks it should go down. His avenue has always been the largest, but he's never been able to kill off the side streets. And he never will. His idea of professional wrestling is not professional wrestling. It's entertainment first and foremost. He cares more about the TV show than the ringwork, he cares more about the characters than the employees, he cares more about the name WWE than what pro wrestling fans want to see. He's a very successful businessman no doubt. And he's greatly changed the landscape of wrestling since he took the reins. But he can't kill pro wrestling no matter how much we wants to. AEW must eat him alive. He knows he can't buy them, so instead he's going to let them try to survive for now while he continues to shape WWE in his own image of where/what he wants wrestling to be. I'd imagine he still thinks wrestling has a long way to go to how he wants it to look. The question is, will whomever takes over after him keep his vision alive? Or will they do what TK and HHH do/did and make pro wrestling what it's supposed to be.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jan 6, 2022 12:39:40 GMT -5
I can't imagine anyone employed by the fed doesn't have a back up plan at this point....
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Post by Its Tiffy Time on Jan 6, 2022 13:09:52 GMT -5
The way Vince and his cronies have systematically ruined NXT is disheartening.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jan 6, 2022 14:45:12 GMT -5
The WW(E) has TERMINAL CANCER.
The WW(E) is going to DIE
*sobbing*
I’m not going to let (Triple H) KILL what I created.
I’m going to kill my creation!
I’m going to INJECT the WW(E) with a LETHAL DOSE OF POISON!
Me… and (Nick Khan)
Seriously, this is the beginning of the end of the WWE as we know it. I’m not sure what’s going on with Triple H, but he’s not been seen or heard from in awhile. I know he had the heart ‘event’, but there’s been no faces time. What must Steph think of this? I wonder if there’s anything going on with his marriage. This seems like a total assault on everything he built for what, 6 years? Even his most ardent detractor must feel some sympathy for the guy. I don’t feel confident about the future of the WWE. For the first time in a long time it’s completely unwatchable for me. All of the mass firings actually put a bad taste in my mouth about the company, so I’m also not wanting to support them even though I’ve always supported them. Strange Days have found us. Strange Days have tracked us down.
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Post by k5 on Jan 6, 2022 14:54:59 GMT -5
You really wonder what Triple H must be thinking. For 2+ years, NXT was WWE's strongest brand. What Vince McMahon has intentionally and systematically done over the last year is absolutely kill everything that Triple H has done and bury and then fire every wrestler and backstage person that worked under Triple H (with the exception of Shawn Michaels as of today). Vince McMahon has always been the type of person to prefer failing on his own ideas than to succeed with something that gives anyone else any credit. Vince McMahon bought WCW and ECW just to bury them. He formed the nWo just to bury it. He brought in Sting to embarrass him. How many top stars from other companies came in to WWF/E over the last 3 decades, just to end up ending their careers and leaving in disgrace? Vince McMahon can't handle a good idea if it's not his, and I think he's resentful of talent that is able to get over without the WWE machine. If you are big on the internet; big on the indies; big in another company...Vince just wants to ruin you because he can't comprehend anyone getting over without the "WWE machine". I think Vince saw the success of NXT and how it was WWE's best brand, and Vince had nothing to do with that, and all everyone talked about online and in the wrestling community was how great Triple H was and people began to not only speculate, but LOOK FORWARD to a time when Triple H would take over the entire WWE and the great things Triple H could do to "save WWE" from what Vince McMahon was doing to ruin it....and I think that set off Vince McMahon and he basically got in the mindset of "oh they think NXT is so great and they think you're going to takeover my company from me? F*ck you, pal; I'm killing this thing because I CAN". You wonder what this has done to the relationship between Triple H and Vince McMahon. I wonder if Triple H will ever speak about this. It's really crazy stuff when you think about it and dig into it. I don’t think that’s the case. i think, for better or worse, the nxt product never jived with the rest of the wwe ‘universe’ - we saw it with the main brands ignoring nxt’s existence, the disconnect between talents nxt was focussing on and who the main rosters would actually use, and even an approach to wrestling that - as fans recognized - was far more modern wrestling void of the atypical ‘wwe style’. it was always going to end like this. nxt was a pipe dream, and a fun one, but that’s it. I think everyone’s better off now anyways. wwe can farm their own talent to their own interests that don’t necessarily pertain to what the rest of wrestling is doing.
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Rocky Balboa
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Down bad for Rhea Ripley
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Post by Rocky Balboa on Jan 6, 2022 15:36:32 GMT -5
You guys reckon christmas dinner at the McMahon house was abit awkward? "Hey pal, can you pass me the turkey?" "Oh also I'm gonna fire all your people, Paul. Merry Christmas."
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 6, 2022 15:43:16 GMT -5
You really wonder what Triple H must be thinking. For 2+ years, NXT was WWE's strongest brand. What Vince McMahon has intentionally and systematically done over the last year is absolutely kill everything that Triple H has done and bury and then fire every wrestler and backstage person that worked under Triple H (with the exception of Shawn Michaels as of today). Vince McMahon has always been the type of person to prefer failing on his own ideas than to succeed with something that gives anyone else any credit. Vince McMahon bought WCW and ECW just to bury them. He formed the nWo just to bury it. He brought in Sting to embarrass him. How many top stars from other companies came in to WWF/E over the last 3 decades, just to end up ending their careers and leaving in disgrace? Vince McMahon can't handle a good idea if it's not his, and I think he's resentful of talent that is able to get over without the WWE machine. If you are big on the internet; big on the indies; big in another company...Vince just wants to ruin you because he can't comprehend anyone getting over without the "WWE machine". I think Vince saw the success of NXT and how it was WWE's best brand, and Vince had nothing to do with that, and all everyone talked about online and in the wrestling community was how great Triple H was and people began to not only speculate, but LOOK FORWARD to a time when Triple H would take over the entire WWE and the great things Triple H could do to "save WWE" from what Vince McMahon was doing to ruin it....and I think that set off Vince McMahon and he basically got in the mindset of "oh they think NXT is so great and they think you're going to takeover my company from me? F*ck you, pal; I'm killing this thing because I CAN". You wonder what this has done to the relationship between Triple H and Vince McMahon. I wonder if Triple H will ever speak about this. It's really crazy stuff when you think about it and dig into it. I don’t think that’s the case. i think, for better or worse, the nxt product never jived with the rest of the wwe ‘universe’ - we saw it with the main brands ignoring nxt’s existence, the disconnect between talents nxt was focussing on and who the main rosters would actually use, and even an approach to wrestling that - as fans recognized - was far more modern wrestling void of the atypical ‘wwe style’. it was always going to end like this. nxt was a pipe dream, and a fun one, but that’s it. I think everyone’s better off now anyways. wwe can farm their own talent to their own interests that don’t necessarily pertain to what the rest of wrestling is doing. I don't think there was a disconnect. Whenever NXT was featured with main roster talent, the WWE main roster fans LOVED it. The fans loved when NXT came up and won the Survivor Series. The problem with NXT and the main roster wasn't audience disconnect...it was company mis-direction. The way Karion Kross was presented on the main roster was NOT the way he was presented on NXT. The DOMINATE UNDEFEATED NXT WORLD CHAMPION lost his debut match on RAW! That was done on purpose! He was intentionally separated from Scarlett. It's not like she forgot to show up or they forgot to send her out there....she was NOT BOOKED TO BE WITH HIM and that was an intentional decision. That's like going to a restaurant and looking at the menu and you see a picture of a hamburger that looks good. You order the hamburger and they bring you a piece of trout. When you complain, they go "oh whats the matter, PAL? You don't like HAMBURGERS?" NO! You didn't give me a hamburger! I ordered a Hamburger and you gave me trout! That's what WWE has done. Almost every single NXT superstar that was popular in NXT.....when they got "called up" to the main roster, they were not booked the same way. Dominant superstars became weekly losers. Superstars who were notorious for putting on 5 star matches had their movesets neutered and they became relegated to short, unimpressive matches. I'm sorry....Look at Kross and Scarlett. That looks like a package that Vince McMahon should have been absolutely head over heels for! He's a big guy, has a great look, he's a great wrestler even though you never were allowed to see it on RAW, and she's gorgeous. But he comes up to RAW and loses 1 minute matches. And instead of walking to the ring with Scarlett, they put him in a gimp gladiator outfit. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! If it worked in NXT and you have your entire audience talking about how much they can't wait for certain people to get to the main roster....when you bring those people up to the main roster, IF YOU CHANGE THEM, THEN YOU AREN'T GIVING THE PEOPLE THE WRESTLER THEY LIKED! Why eliminate EVERYTHING about a wrestler that the fans loved about them? It doesn't make sense! That's like a baseball player playing shortstop for little league, high school, college, A, AA, AAA....and then calling them up to the MLB level and saying "Ok, PAL...I see you as being one of our PITCHERS"....so the guy who's never pitched goes out and pitches, and he sucks and the fans are like "This guy SUCKS! Get rid of him!"....yes he sucks, because you're having him do something completely different than what he's ever done and what fans know he's capable of! Karion Kross, Keith Lee, Aliester Black, Dominik Dijakovic, so many more....just have them do the same things on the main roster that got them over in NXT....the characters that were presented on the main roster were NOTHING like their NXT characters...it was in appearance only. Everything else was different. I truly believe that NXT was SET UP to fail. You can't accidentally screw up with so many talents. This was intentional.
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Post by k5 on Jan 6, 2022 16:19:05 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s the case. i think, for better or worse, the nxt product never jived with the rest of the wwe ‘universe’ - we saw it with the main brands ignoring nxt’s existence, the disconnect between talents nxt was focussing on and who the main rosters would actually use, and even an approach to wrestling that - as fans recognized - was far more modern wrestling void of the atypical ‘wwe style’. it was always going to end like this. nxt was a pipe dream, and a fun one, but that’s it. I think everyone’s better off now anyways. wwe can farm their own talent to their own interests that don’t necessarily pertain to what the rest of wrestling is doing. I don't think there was a disconnect. Whenever NXT was featured with main roster talent, the WWE main roster fans LOVED it. The fans loved when NXT came up and won the Survivor Series. The problem with NXT and the main roster wasn't audience disconnect...it was company mis-direction. The way Karion Kross was presented on the main roster was NOT the way he was presented on NXT. The DOMINATE UNDEFEATED NXT WORLD CHAMPION lost his debut match on RAW! That was done on purpose! He was intentionally separated from Scarlett. It's not like she forgot to show up or they forgot to send her out there....she was NOT BOOKED TO BE WITH HIM and that was an intentional decision. That's like going to a restaurant and looking at the menu and you see a picture of a hamburger that looks good. You order the hamburger and they bring you a piece of trout. When you complain, they go "oh whats the matter, PAL? You don't like HAMBURGERS?" NO! You didn't give me a hamburger! I ordered a Hamburger and you gave me trout! That's what WWE has done. Almost every single NXT superstar that was popular in NXT.....when they got "called up" to the main roster, they were not booked the same way. Dominant superstars became weekly losers. Superstars who were notorious for putting on 5 star matches had their movesets neutered and they became relegated to short, unimpressive matches. I'm sorry....Look at Kross and Scarlett. That looks like a package that Vince McMahon should have been absolutely head over heels for! He's a big guy, has a great look, he's a great wrestler even though you never were allowed to see it on RAW, and she's gorgeous. But he comes up to RAW and loses 1 minute matches. And instead of walking to the ring with Scarlett, they put him in a gimp gladiator outfit. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! If it worked in NXT and you have your entire audience talking about how much they can't wait for certain people to get to the main roster....when you bring those people up to the main roster, IF YOU CHANGE THEM, THEN YOU AREN'T GIVING THE PEOPLE THE WRESTLER THEY LIKED! Why eliminate EVERYTHING about a wrestler that the fans loved about them? It doesn't make sense! That's like a baseball player playing shortstop for little league, high school, college, A, AA, AAA....and then calling them up to the MLB level and saying "Ok, PAL...I see you as being one of our PITCHERS"....so the guy who's never pitched goes out and pitches, and he sucks and the fans are like "This guy SUCKS! Get rid of him!"....yes he sucks, because you're having him do something completely different than what he's ever done and what fans know he's capable of! Karion Kross, Keith Lee, Aliester Black, Dominik Dijakovic, so many more....just have them do the same things on the main roster that got them over in NXT....the characters that were presented on the main roster were NOTHING like their NXT characters...it was in appearance only. Everything else was different. I truly believe that NXT was SET UP to fail. You can't accidentally screw up with so many talents. This was intentional. I never said audience disconnect. you went on to describe the exact creative disconnect from nxt to the main roster I was describing. NXT simply was not ‘wwe style’, and so they failed as talents, because what wwe was looking for and what nxt were producing simply weren’t aligned. since the territory days, Vince thought he knew better, despite whatever got a talent over elsewhere. this is no different. we see a bunch of terry taylor’s ripping up UWF; Vince and co saw the red rooster.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 6, 2022 16:34:25 GMT -5
You guys reckon christmas dinner at the McMahon house was abit awkward? "Hey pal, can you pass me the turkey?" "Oh also I'm gonna fire all your people, Paul. Merry Christmas." People that eat turkey on Christmas deserve to be punished!
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The Real Chillary
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Chillary since day one ish
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jan 6, 2022 17:05:53 GMT -5
That pop shows how into NXT the main roster audience was at one time.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Jan 6, 2022 17:21:01 GMT -5
Those are probably the worst analogies I’ve ever read in my life.
Ooof
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Jan 6, 2022 18:52:58 GMT -5
Just saw that Joe was released… again. F this company
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 6, 2022 18:58:19 GMT -5
Tony, I’ll stop pointing out that you’re an obnoxious dweeb if you book Punk vs Joe
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Post by Evil Abed on Jan 6, 2022 18:58:52 GMT -5
Lol well you could see Joe's release coming from a mile away. Triple H wanted him to wrestle in NXT. Vince wanted him gone.
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