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Post by JokerFC on Jan 12, 2022 11:51:18 GMT -5
Hmmm I've quite a few.
HBK at WM12...wasn't him winning it was the whole sudden death & Brets portrayal during it. I was like WTF?
Hart vs Austin at WM13..hated at the time that Hart beat my boy...but man I've grown to love that match.
Owen losing to HHH at WM14...I just feel that he looked like a chump in this feud totally. Never got a look in
HHH vs Booker...really felt Booker was due. It was booked well on the run in and most of us wanted to see old big nose get a whooping...to this day I legit feel Goldbergs signing changed the outcome here & Vince opted to keep the title on HHH until it was Bill's turn.
Cena beating HBK...man I wanted HBK to have a run.
Not the result but HHH vs Orton at WM 25. Jesus what a lifeless dud...Holy f#ck like. Crazy given the build this got.
Mark Henry beating Ryback...boy howdy did they get this wrong. Place exploded when Ryback got Henry up for the finish...only then to look like a clown. Air got sucked out of the room completely.
HHH beating Sting. Wow...so deflating.
I'm sure I've others....just can't think of them.
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Post by MKSavage on Jan 12, 2022 11:59:57 GMT -5
Hmmm I've quite a few. HBK at WM12...wasn't him winning it was the whole sudden death & Brets portrayal during it. I was like WTF? Hart vs Austin at WM13..hated at the time that Hart beat my boy...but man I've grown to love that match.
Owen losing to HHH at WM14...I just feel that he looked like a chump in this feud totally. Never got a look in HHH vs Booker...really felt Booker was due. It was booked well on the run in and most of us wanted to see old big nose get a whooping...to this day I legit feel Goldbergs signing changed the outcome here & Vince opted to keep the title on HHH until it was Bill's turn. Cena beating HBK...man I wanted HBK to have a run. Not the result but HHH vs Orton at WM 25. Jesus what a lifeless dud...Holy f#ck like. Crazy given the build this got. Mark Henry beating Ryback...boy howdy did they get this wrong. Place exploded when Ryback got Henry up for the finish...only then to look like a clown. Air got sucked out of the room completely. HHH beating Sting. Wow...so deflating. I'm sure I've others....just can't think of them. To me, still the greatest match in Mania history. Though, I have not seen all the matches in recent years. But anytime I hear grumblings about a great match at WM I try to watch. I could have gone either way with the result. I was a huge fan of both guys at the time, and still, so either going over would have been great. I think the way the match finished was perfect though, the blood pouring from Austin's face and him not submitting to the pain of the sharpshooter.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 13, 2022 15:02:45 GMT -5
Booker T vs HHH. To me, this has always been the answer. You can put all the racist crap aside and it was still the wrong decision. Fans were behind Booker. Raw needed a top face to oppose HHH going forward (similar to the Brock/Angle situation on SD). After nearly two years of being a jobber to the WWF/WWE stars, Booker finally seemed to be getting his due. Instead, he looses in pretty convincing fashion, and gets sent down to midcard hell for the next 3+ years before finally getting his due (after completely changing his gimmick).
I’ve seen a lot of people say Booker wouldn’t have had anyone to feud with had he won. I call BS. HHH and Nash could have still had there feud while Booker had guys like Jericho, Kane, and HBK to work with. Others say Goldberg/HHH was the big money feud, but after complete botching Goldberg at SummwrSlam 2003, it didn’t really matter. Nobody cared when Goldberg won the belt a month later, so Booker beating HHH wouldn’t have really changed anything except push Booker up the card as a more credible name than he already was.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Jan 13, 2022 19:41:38 GMT -5
Luger-Yoko
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Jan 15, 2022 14:08:45 GMT -5
Triple H owns a few.
- Obligatory WM XIX mention, just sickening considering the build.
- WM 31 was a nonsensical, self serving program for the 'E to put themselves over yet again. The story shifted from Sting fighting an oppressive regime to the last Turner holdout being put out of his misery, with fossils being trotted out for NOSTALGIA. Fan fave HBK bizarrely helping the heel Authority head win, with Sting giving props to a guy who just bashed his head in with a sledgehammer.
- WM 25 against Orton was neutered by the transition to PG programming. Triple H could not get DQ'd or else lose his championship. So how can he get revenge for his extended family while maintaining his composure? Just get a lucky ref bump so Hunter can have his cake and eat it too. Orton got the title at the next PPV anyway. Have Trips get his revenge and the snake slink away with the belt, and give the audience a deserving main event in HBK/Taker to send them home happy.
- His WM 29 match with Brock Lesnar. The career-threatening stip tagged onto it hurt the intrigue going in, and the plodding pace dulled an already dim show. Brock's first Mania since coming back was a loss, adding to a rather unimpressive W-L record at that point.
More mentions:
- Cena-Wyatt at WM XXX. Unnecessary decision that cut against the audience's wants. It wasn't just Cena haterade. Wyatt had tons of momentum, and the fan sentiment in the Silverdome was perfect for the story they were telling. The feud was going forward with Cena. Wyatt winning by hook and by crook would have paid off more down the line, actually set up the dang cage match at the next PPV. Heck, Cena wouldn't have even been my choice for Bray's opponent this year. Dude had more of a right to face Taker, and the atmosphere would've been tremendous.
- Lawler-Cole at WM 27. It wasn't enough to have this trash storyline going on in WWE's worst announcing period BY FAR. It wasn't enough for us to endure a 30+ min segment dedicated for something that could've/should've been done in seconds. Nah, we go thru ALL of that to have Hornswoggle reverse King's win, and now we have the "uNdEfEAtED aT wReSTlEMaNiA" quip to look forward to if ever we're cursed with Troll Cole again.
- New Day-League of Nations at WM 32. Kofi, E, and X had a journey in the last 15 months or so. From overbearingly positive faces that fans initially despised, to obnoxious heels with a charisma that fans embraced, back to being a very successful fan favorites. Yet in an up-and-down show, they are utterly forgettable in a losing effort against the most ineffective and irrelevant assembly of heels since the Corre. All seemingly done to justify crusty old legends hitting their finishers on ol' Berty, Sheamy, Rusev, and Wade, again for NOSTALGIA. New Day still waiting on a true opportunity to shine on the big stage as a well-oiled unit, last year two-thirds of the team doing the job for "the next Andre" 🙄.
- As stated before, the "Miss Wrestlemania" Battle Royal at WM 25. DVD owners know the Kid Rock performance was edited out so ZERO ladies are acknowledged on playback, we get thrown immediately into the match as Roberts is awkwardly spliced into the audio. Most of the returning participants are unrecognizable so good luck picking any of them out before they're dumped out to the floor. It doesn't matter in the end, as it's all one big crossdressing joke. Vince laughs his a** off.
- Big Show should have broke that peckerhead Mayweather in half at WM XXIV. How oblivious was Creative to attempt to position Floyd as the babyface in this?
Footnotes within the past 5 years:
- WM 34: Charlotte ending Asuka's undefeated streak and then not doing a rematch the following year. Also Jinder winning the US Title despite being the fourth-most interesting man in a Fatal 4-Way.
- WM 35: Kurt Angle going out with a whimper against Baron Corbin. Sasha and Bayley unceremoniously dropping the Women's Tag title they politicked so hard to create, to see it become the void of creative storytelling since.
- WM 36: Charlotte being positioned as the savior of NXT by winning the Women's Championship from completely unimpressive and unmarketable (apparently) Rhea Ripley. SHE DON'T EVEN GO THERE. Ripley hasn't been the same since. NXT hasn't been the same since. Charlotte..., she's still the same. Want Flair to be a newsmaker and create buzz? Have Charlotte challenge Adam Cole. Done.
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Post by LA Times on Jan 15, 2022 14:14:17 GMT -5
HHH vs Booker T
HHH vs Sting
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker-The Undertaker's streak should be ended but to an opponent who needs the rub and/or in his final match. Roman Reigns shouldve been the one to end the streak.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 12:43:15 GMT -5
Matt Hardy beating Rey Mysterio at WM 19 in 5 minutes. This could have been one of the best openers in WM history if they let them go for 15-20 minutes as at the time both men were at the top of their game.
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Post by hbkjason on Feb 1, 2022 12:48:25 GMT -5
One that I was mad as hell about as a kid and even now I find strange is Big Boss Man vs Mr. Perfect at WrestleMania VII. I loved the thing that Boss Man had going on with the Heenan Family and it was all leading up to Boss Man taking the crown jewel the Intercontinental title, only he never did! In hindsight, what we would get with Bret Hart vs Mr. Perfect was much better than a Boss Man IC title reign, but it was still a very anti-climatic way to end a feud that had been going for so long.
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Post by PJ on Feb 1, 2022 13:23:37 GMT -5
Seeing it’s the classic board I will not bring up any match from within the last 10 years as they don’t belong being discussed on the classic board. Now that said it’s not even the results that bothered me (well it did as did the fact that it was the Main Event) but I hated/hate that LT was even a part of WM let alone the Main Event. The guy is garbage who gets away with everything because he’s one of the greatest LB’s to ever play in the NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 14:24:45 GMT -5
Tatanka beating Shawn Michaels by count out thus not getting the IC title is another one. I really thought(and hoped) Tatanka would win the IC title.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Feb 1, 2022 19:37:38 GMT -5
WrestleMania X8 Undisputed WWF / WCW World Champion, Chris Jericho vs. Triple H.
I think it should have been a double turn, with Stephanie turning on Y2J, but backfiring on HHH, and The Champion retaining the richest and 2nd richest prize in this industry.
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Post by jason88cubs on Feb 2, 2022 12:42:36 GMT -5
I thought Beefcake over Perfect was random. Wasn't Perfect undefeated?
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Post by MKSavage on Feb 2, 2022 16:23:18 GMT -5
I thought Beefcake over Perfect was random. Wasn't Perfect undefeated? Yes, he was still officially undefeated, though Hogan and Warrior had beaten him at house shows. I remember hearing that this was done to give Beefcake a boost (being the first one to pin Perfect). Even though Beefcake was not going to beat him at SSL90, it was just done to make Beefcake look like a strong contender and that he could possibly beat Perfect for the title.
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Post by Hoobies on Feb 2, 2022 16:25:10 GMT -5
I’m alone here, but I’m going Becky vs Shayna here. Most people would go with Charlotte vs Rhea from this Wrestlemania, but to me Shayna’s loss hurt her more. A win over Becky would have done wonders for her and continued her dominance she showed in NXT. In my opinion she could and should have filled the hole left when Ronda left. YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES!
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Post by jason88cubs on Feb 2, 2022 16:57:48 GMT -5
I thought Beefcake over Perfect was random. Wasn't Perfect undefeated? Yes, he was still officially undefeated, though Hogan and Warrior had beaten him at house shows. I remember hearing that this was done to give Beefcake a boost (being the first one to pin Perfect). Even though Beefcake was not going to beat him at SSL90, it was just done to make Beefcake look like a strong contender and that he could possibly beat Perfect for the title. People joke about beefcake but he was extremely over in that period
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Post by MKSavage on Feb 2, 2022 19:26:38 GMT -5
Yes, he was still officially undefeated, though Hogan and Warrior had beaten him at house shows. I remember hearing that this was done to give Beefcake a boost (being the first one to pin Perfect). Even though Beefcake was not going to beat him at SSL90, it was just done to make Beefcake look like a strong contender and that he could possibly beat Perfect for the title. People joke about beefcake but he was extremely over in that period Yep. He was really popular from 88 to 90. I would say he was probably in the top 5 of the most popular baby faces at the time, behind only: Hogan, Warrior, Jake, and Dusty.
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Post by Evil Abed on Feb 2, 2022 19:36:18 GMT -5
Probably too many to name. I remember being annoyed at some of the more recent outcomes though. Brock vs. Roman at Mania 34 is one that I don't think has been mentioned. Not because Im a Roman fan but we basically hijacked a main title for a year just to get to this conclusion and they decide to prolong it another 5 months. Guys like Seth, Balor, Wyatt, Joe, Ambrose, Strowman etc... could have had Universal Title feuds but the title was never on the show. Wyatt/Cena at Mania 30 is another. Cena definitely should have taken the L here. Its hard to fathom a guy like Wyatt that had absolute unlimited potential is now chillin at home released from his contract. This was the precursor to many a time that booking really stuck it to him. Miz defeating Cena at Mania 27, but again not because I wanted to see Cena with the title. Miz as WWE champion in 2011 still to this day was such a god awful decision. - WM 36: Charlotte being positioned as the savior of NXT by winning the Women's Championship from completely unimpressive and unmarketable (apparently) Rhea Ripley. SHE DON'T EVEN GO THERE. Ripley hasn't been the same since. NXT hasn't been the same since. Charlotte..., she's still the same. Want Flair to be a newsmaker and create buzz? Have Charlotte challenge Adam Cole. Done. Again seeing someone with the raw talent, size, intensity like Ripley continually get pushed back down by someone like Flair is everything that is wrong with the company direction these days for the women. Everyone not named Flair or Lynch has a small window before they're used as food for either of those two. Asuka, Rhea, Shayna, all completely buried beyond recovery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 0:37:29 GMT -5
yeah that sucked. thought for sure we were gonna get a bret/luger WM main event. no one wanted to see bret/yoko for another wm main event. they coulda had piper as ref for lguer/yoko and mr perefct ref for bret/luger so perfect can turn on luger causing him to lose, so he didnt have to lose clean to bret in a good guy vs good guy match.
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Post by Warriah' on Feb 3, 2022 6:29:28 GMT -5
For as much of a Bret fan as I am, I always hated Luger losing to Yoko at WM10 after what 8 months of build.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 9:07:24 GMT -5
Yes, he was still officially undefeated, though Hogan and Warrior had beaten him at house shows. I remember hearing that this was done to give Beefcake a boost (being the first one to pin Perfect). Even though Beefcake was not going to beat him at SSL90, it was just done to make Beefcake look like a strong contender and that he could possibly beat Perfect for the title. People joke about beefcake but he was extremely over in that period Every time he does a virtual signing he does good business
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